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November 14, 2023, 10:47:57 AM
India lost in the semi-final against New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup. So they will try to reach the final by defeating New Zealand on the 15th. Every player in India is in form Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Sammang Gill all of them are batting well. Great things to say Md Siraj Sami Jadeja Bhomra among them strong bowling. So it is expected that the Indian team will try to reach the final by playing the best against New Zealand in the semi-final. But it feels very bad for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, they have played the final in 2019 World Cup consecutively but could not win the cup. Kane Williamson this may be his last World Cup, so those who are fans of Williamson will definitely want this World Cup to be in his hands. Now let's see who makes it to the final after all the speculation ends on the 15th.
New Zealand is still struggling to perform under Indian conditions. They are still overdependent on their pacers (especially Trent Boult) as their spinners (apart from Mitchell Santner) are not taking wickets. Surprisingly they are doing quite well in the batting department despite the absence of Kane Williamson. Rachin Ravindra have been the find of the tournament for them and he is being ably supported by Daryl Mitchell and Devon Conway. But till, this won't be able to get past the Indians, who are simply looking invincible as of now.

After losing four matches in a row, New Zealand qualified for the semi-finals with a win against Sri Lanka. It cannot be said that the team is in a very good rhythm.

India will undoubtedly be favourites, considering the performance aspect. The team performed well against all the teams. However, the India vs New Zealand match was India's most competitive match in this World Cup. Also in every match we saw only Indian players dominating. Because of this the New Zealand players can have some confidence. If New Zealand's bowlers can do well against India, they have some chance of winning. If the bowlers of New Zealand do not do well, we will only see the dominance of India in this match.

India vs New Zealand will be the greatest, high profile match, which India will not want to lose at any cost. It is a match where both teams had unbelievable players and both teams had an unstoppable team with massive players. Indian bowling vs New Zealand batting. If Kane Willamsons settles against Indian bowlers on Wankhede pitch so he can hit many boundaries, he is a fear for Indian bowlers. That is also a batting pitch, it provides an advantage to both teams and on the other side, this thing also is a danger for bowlers, and both teams have bowlers who can take the wicket of other team batsmen in few balls.

Toss may play an important role in this match and i think the team winning the toss should bat first, put the runs on the board and hope to get other team in pressure of chasing in a big match.
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November 14, 2023, 09:21:34 AM
If umpire gave out last batsman against South Africa match , Pakistan could qualify for final. That was empire decision and that was Pakistani bad luck.

I am surprised that you are still complaining about the Umpire Decision on that Pakistan-South Africa match but do not take into account their poor performance in the overall World Cup.

For a moment, let's suppose that Pakistan would have won the match if that decision had been in their favor but they still needed to win against England in order to qualify. You can see how poorly they have played in that match. England won that match by 93 runs which shows that it was a one sided match.

So can you explain how Pakistan could have reached the semi finals if they were beaten by England  Huh

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November 14, 2023, 09:20:34 AM
Trent boult? He's been average so far, yes he got two 3s but other than 1-2s and in two games 0. In spin department, they only have Santner as main line spinners, others are all rounders, he's been most consistent bowler in their team, his spells only didn't work in their match against Pakistan.

They only do well in battling dept when Ravindra or Mitchell make centuries at least  Roll Eyes

Conway made century in first game, other than nothing much for him.
In 2019 WC too, Trent Boult had similar numbers and the semifinal equation was also the same ( 1-India vs 4-New Zealand). Boulty boy bagged 2 wickets and one of em was a prize wicket of Kohli.

At that time our scorecard was 5/3 in just 3 overs and it became a kind of meme on the interweb so be careful if you are an Indian fan. Hum toh sala nervasa rahe hain ki kahin bhokal na macha de ei budbak Boult.
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November 14, 2023, 08:56:19 AM
India lost in the semi-final against New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup. So they will try to reach the final by defeating New Zealand on the 15th. Every player in India is in form Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Sammang Gill all of them are batting well. Great things to say Md Siraj Sami Jadeja Bhomra among them strong bowling. So it is expected that the Indian team will try to reach the final by playing the best against New Zealand in the semi-final. But it feels very bad for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, they have played the final in 2019 World Cup consecutively but could not win the cup. Kane Williamson this may be his last World Cup, so those who are fans of Williamson will definitely want this World Cup to be in his hands. Now let's see who makes it to the final after all the speculation ends on the 15th.

New Zealand is still struggling to perform under Indian conditions. They are still overdependent on their pacers (especially Trent Boult) as their spinners (apart from Mitchell Santner) are not taking wickets. Surprisingly they are doing quite well in the batting department despite the absence of Kane Williamson. Rachin Ravindra have been the find of the tournament for them and he is being ably supported by Daryl Mitchell and Devon Conway. But till, this won't be able to get past the Indians, who are simply looking invincible as of now.
If don't do it then new Zealand can not go to final.  Because there is full confidence in the bowler of New Zealand in the semi final.If Maxwell play like the old match they will definitely win the semi final. If New Zealand bowler and batsmen are quick New Zealand can win against india.If New Zealand bowler and batsman played very well then can make the possible impossible.If Mitchel marsh and Maxwell and other batsmen and bowler play with effort and intensity in the morning match India cannot spoil them.
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November 14, 2023, 08:30:24 AM
New Zealand is still struggling to perform under Indian conditions. They are still overdependent on their pacers (especially Trent Boult) as their spinners (apart from Mitchell Santner) are not taking wickets. Surprisingly they are doing quite well in the batting department despite the absence of Kane Williamson. Rachin Ravindra have been the find of the tournament for them and he is being ably supported by Daryl Mitchell and Devon Conway. But till, this won't be able to get past the Indians, who are simply looking invincible as of now.
Trent boult? He's been average so far, yes he got two 3s but other than 1-2s and in two games 0. In spin department, they only have Santner as main line spinners, others are all rounders, he's been most consistent bowler in their team, his spells only didn't work in their match against Pakistan.

They only do well in battling dept when Ravindra or Mitchell make centuries at least  Roll Eyes

Conway made century in first game, other than nothing much for him.
If you are able to check their history then please go ahead because we have performances like this from them in every event just because of this they have never been able to win any big event while mostly they are not consistent even they have quality and ability currently their few players are not able to perform as they required but still they are jumped into last four which is really impressive with now they are 6th or 7th times in semifinal in ODI world cups which is also impressive.

Now they are going to play in big match where Indians will try to hit them hard which can create some interesting points for them and game as well hopefully, we will have good match from them for the next and final game even India is hot favorite but still any result can happen but if we have New Zealand in final this could be third time any team will achieve this in ODI world cup history after West Indies and Australia.
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November 14, 2023, 08:27:55 AM
India lost in the semi-final against New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup. So they will try to reach the final by defeating New Zealand on the 15th. Every player in India is in form Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Sammang Gill all of them are batting well. Great things to say Md Siraj Sami Jadeja Bhomra among them strong bowling. So it is expected that the Indian team will try to reach the final by playing the best against New Zealand in the semi-final. But it feels very bad for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, they have played the final in 2019 World Cup consecutively but could not win the cup. Kane Williamson this may be his last World Cup, so those who are fans of Williamson will definitely want this World Cup to be in his hands. Now let's see who makes it to the final after all the speculation ends on the 15th.
New Zealand is still struggling to perform under Indian conditions. They are still overdependent on their pacers (especially Trent Boult) as their spinners (apart from Mitchell Santner) are not taking wickets. Surprisingly they are doing quite well in the batting department despite the absence of Kane Williamson. Rachin Ravindra have been the find of the tournament for them and he is being ably supported by Daryl Mitchell and Devon Conway. But till, this won't be able to get past the Indians, who are simply looking invincible as of now.

After losing four matches in a row, New Zealand qualified for the semi-finals with a win against Sri Lanka. It cannot be said that the team is in a very good rhythm.

India will undoubtedly be favourites, considering the performance aspect. The team performed well against all the teams. However, the India vs New Zealand match was India's most competitive match in this World Cup. Also in every match we saw only Indian players dominating. Because of this the New Zealand players can have some confidence. If New Zealand's bowlers can do well against India, they have some chance of winning. If the bowlers of New Zealand do not do well, we will only see the dominance of India in this match.
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November 14, 2023, 07:40:55 AM
India lost in the semi-final against New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup. So they will try to reach the final by defeating New Zealand on the 15th. Every player in India is in form Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Sammang Gill all of them are batting well. Great things to say Md Siraj Sami Jadeja Bhomra among them strong bowling. So it is expected that the Indian team will try to reach the final by playing the best against New Zealand in the semi-final. But it feels very bad for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, they have played the final in 2019 World Cup consecutively but could not win the cup. Kane Williamson this may be his last World Cup, so those who are fans of Williamson will definitely want this World Cup to be in his hands. Now let's see who makes it to the final after all the speculation ends on the 15th.

New Zealand is still struggling to perform under Indian conditions. They are still overdependent on their pacers (especially Trent Boult) as their spinners (apart from Mitchell Santner) are not taking wickets. Surprisingly they are doing quite well in the batting department despite the absence of Kane Williamson. Rachin Ravindra have been the find of the tournament for them and he is being ably supported by Daryl Mitchell and Devon Conway. But till, this won't be able to get past the Indians, who are simply looking invincible as of now.

Trent boult? He's been average so far, yes he got two 3s but other than 1-2s and in two games 0. In spin department, they only have Santner as main line spinners, others are all rounders, he's been most consistent bowler in their team, his spells only didn't work in their match against Pakistan.

They only do well in battling dept when Ravindra or Mitchell make centuries at least  Roll Eyes

Conway made century in first game, other than nothing much for him.
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November 14, 2023, 07:11:37 AM
India lost in the semi-final against New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup. So they will try to reach the final by defeating New Zealand on the 15th. Every player in India is in form Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Sammang Gill all of them are batting well. Great things to say Md Siraj Sami Jadeja Bhomra among them strong bowling. So it is expected that the Indian team will try to reach the final by playing the best against New Zealand in the semi-final. But it feels very bad for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, they have played the final in 2019 World Cup consecutively but could not win the cup. Kane Williamson this may be his last World Cup, so those who are fans of Williamson will definitely want this World Cup to be in his hands. Now let's see who makes it to the final after all the speculation ends on the 15th.

New Zealand is still struggling to perform under Indian conditions. They are still overdependent on their pacers (especially Trent Boult) as their spinners (apart from Mitchell Santner) are not taking wickets. Surprisingly they are doing quite well in the batting department despite the absence of Kane Williamson. Rachin Ravindra have been the find of the tournament for them and he is being ably supported by Daryl Mitchell and Devon Conway. But till, this won't be able to get past the Indians, who are simply looking invincible as of now.
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November 14, 2023, 06:25:58 AM
If India could win semis and final, they would rival the prime Australia back in 2003/'07, 11 wins consecutively.

Rest assured that India will be the champion in the 2023 World Cup and will be the undefeated champion again. If India wins against New Zealand then rest assured against Australia/South Africa in the semi-final and India will become the champions of the 2023 World Cup. and would share Australia's 2003/2007 World Cup record of 11 consecutive victories.
The way India is performing in this tournament, we should not have any doubt that India will win the World Cup tournament in this tournament. In the first leg matches, India did not care about any team at all. Team India has won the match with a great performance against every team. Everyone is considering India as the favorite for the World Cup and I am also considering India as the favorite for the World Cup but I have seen New Zealand's defeat in front of my eyes several times.

 In 2019 England World Cup we saw that New Zealand lost the World Cup tournament against England due to wrong decisions by the umpires. India are favorites in this World Cup but I would be more than happy to see the toffees in the hands of New Zealand especially for Kane Williamson.
Yes you are right, India is the favourite team in this World Cup Tournament from all teams which includes South Africa, Australia, New Zealand because of their outstanding performance. Right this time, India team is present at the top rank in points table due to brilliant struggle with all wins in old games with every team Pakistan, South Africa strong and attacker team, Australia, New Zealand, England, Afghanistan, Netherlands , Sri Lanka and Bangladesh team. Total 18 points they earned in past games with playing commendable effort. India team have a highly chance to win this World Cup but I also have some doubt of Australia and South Africa team. I see that South Africa bat first in every games, they gave a very big target to fighting team. Australia team also performed good in previous games and hope they will also made good effort in semi final game
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November 14, 2023, 06:19:44 AM
If India could win semis and final, they would rival the prime Australia back in 2003/'07, 11 wins consecutively.

Rest assured that India will be the champion in the 2023 World Cup and will be the undefeated champion again. If India wins against New Zealand then rest assured against Australia/South Africa in the semi-final and India will become the champions of the 2023 World Cup. and would share Australia's 2003/2007 World Cup record of 11 consecutive victories.
The way India is performing in this tournament, we should not have any doubt that India will win the World Cup tournament in this tournament. In the first leg matches, India did not care about any team at all. Team India has won the match with a great performance against every team. Everyone is considering India as the favorite for the World Cup and I am also considering India as the favorite for the World Cup but I have seen New Zealand's defeat in front of my eyes several times.

 In 2019 England World Cup we saw that New Zealand lost the World Cup tournament against England due to wrong decisions by the umpires. India are favorites in this World Cup but I would be more than happy to see the toffees in the hands of New Zealand especially for Kane Williamson.
India lost in the semi-final against New Zealand in the 2019 World Cup. So they will try to reach the final by defeating New Zealand on the 15th. Every player in India is in form Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Sammang Gill all of them are batting well. Great things to say Md Siraj Sami Jadeja Bhomra among them strong bowling. So it is expected that the Indian team will try to reach the final by playing the best against New Zealand in the semi-final. But it feels very bad for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, they have played the final in 2019 World Cup consecutively but could not win the cup. Kane Williamson this may be his last World Cup, so those who are fans of Williamson will definitely want this World Cup to be in his hands. Now let's see who makes it to the final after all the speculation ends on the 15th.
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November 14, 2023, 04:52:10 AM
Now I am also in favor skipping this ODI format because with this we will have some good time for players to adjust in two formats test and T20i which will help them and also helpful for the boards as well because this will allow their schedule as well with Hotstar is on right path, but I am also not in favor of this Champions Trophy because this is also not ideal event with having only T20i world cup and WTC championship is enough because recently we have good changes into Franchise cricket and mostly players love to play in these for the financial help they also need to favor this, but we need good well-balanced schedule as well which will help all boards specially associate members to improve their structure and quality as well.

Then what about the 2027 ODI World Cup? As far as I know, it will go ahead according to the plan and the media rights holders are also OK with the format. It is true that ODI is rapidly losing popularity. But they are an essential part of the bilateral fixtures. Ideally the cricket boards should be shifting to T20Is, but there is a lot of reluctance in doing so. Some of the cricket boards, especially the BCCI and the PCB are really slow in catching up to the changing situation. Now the ball is in ICC's court and they need to take the next step regarding the future of ODI.
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November 14, 2023, 02:48:26 AM
Not only that, All Big Cricket boards have different priorities nowadays. They are following a rotation policy way too seriously, considering their packed schedule.

If we look at a yearly basis then after 2019 ODI WC, the Likes of Cummins, Starc, Bumrah, Shami, Sharma, Kohli, Root, Kane, Wood, Stokes etc played a handful of ODI cricket, some due to injuries and some schedules.
In case of Bumrah, Stokes, Wood.etc, it is mostly due to injury. But players such as Sharma and Kohli have been very active in franchise cricket during this time period. Seriously I don't foresee ODI cricket surviving for much longer. The ODI World Cup in 2027 will go ahead as planned, but I have doubts regarding the 2031 edition. Already Hotstar is asking the ICC to change the format of 2025 Champions Trophy from ODI to T20. With each passing year, ODI is losing out and at the same time T20I is growing at it's expense.
Now I am also in favor skipping this ODI format because with this we will have some good time for players to adjust in two formats test and T20i which will help them and also helpful for the boards as well because this will allow their schedule as well with Hotstar is on right path, but I am also not in favor of this Champions Trophy because this is also not ideal event with having only T20i world cup and WTC championship is enough because recently we have good changes into Franchise cricket and mostly players love to play in these for the financial help they also need to favor this, but we need good well-balanced schedule as well which will help all boards specially associate members to improve their structure and quality as well.
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November 14, 2023, 02:23:23 AM
Not only that, All Big Cricket boards have different priorities nowadays. They are following a rotation policy way too seriously, considering their packed schedule.

If we look at a yearly basis then after 2019 ODI WC, the Likes of Cummins, Starc, Bumrah, Shami, Sharma, Kohli, Root, Kane, Wood, Stokes etc played a handful of ODI cricket, some due to injuries and some schedules.

In case of Bumrah, Stokes, Wood.etc, it is mostly due to injury. But players such as Sharma and Kohli have been very active in franchise cricket during this time period. Seriously I don't foresee ODI cricket surviving for much longer. The ODI World Cup in 2027 will go ahead as planned, but I have doubts regarding the 2031 edition. Already Hotstar is asking the ICC to change the format of 2025 Champions Trophy from ODI to T20. With each passing year, ODI is losing out and at the same time T20I is growing at it's expense.
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November 14, 2023, 01:30:12 AM
If India could win semis and final, they would rival the prime Australia back in 2003/'07, 11 wins consecutively.

Rest assured that India will be the champion in the 2023 World Cup and will be the undefeated champion again. If India wins against New Zealand then rest assured against Australia/South Africa in the semi-final and India will become the champions of the 2023 World Cup. and would share Australia's 2003/2007 World Cup record of 11 consecutive victories.
The way India is performing in this tournament, we should not have any doubt that India will win the World Cup tournament in this tournament. In the first leg matches, India did not care about any team at all. Team India has won the match with a great performance against every team. Everyone is considering India as the favorite for the World Cup and I am also considering India as the favorite for the World Cup but I have seen New Zealand's defeat in front of my eyes several times.

 In 2019 England World Cup we saw that New Zealand lost the World Cup tournament against England due to wrong decisions by the umpires. India are favorites in this World Cup but I would be more than happy to see the toffees in the hands of New Zealand especially for Kane Williamson.
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November 14, 2023, 12:45:35 AM
ICC rankings (White ball) are a joke and context matters most. The red ball ranking still has some juice in it.

Any Player and team can achieve a high ranking easily if they keep playing against 2nd string team, similar to Pakistan. They played a fair amount of ODI but top teams like NZ, AUS, ENG fielded their 2nd string team because at that time everyone's focus was on the Test series and IPL, also it was pandemic bubble time.

Another example is that you hardly see Big teams fielding their full strength team in bilateral. ENG, AUS, IND are prime examples and in recent times NZ also started doing this. On the other hand, Pakistan always goes with the full strength team even against ZIM.

Franchise cricket is getting more and more important for the players. Players such as Trent Boult have completely stopped playing international cricket outside the ICC tournaments. This has many positives as well as negatives. One of the positives is that younger players get a chance to represent their national sides, and this is very evident in the case of teams such as England and New Zealand. Also, there is no point for teams such as Australia to field their full-strength squads, against weaker teams such as West Indies or Sri Lanka.
Not only that, All Big Cricket boards have different priorities nowadays. They are following a rotation policy way too seriously, considering their packed schedule.

If we look at a yearly basis then after 2019 ODI WC, the Likes of Cummins, Starc, Bumrah, Shami, Sharma, Kohli, Root, Kane, Wood, Stokes etc played a handful of ODI cricket, some due to injuries and some schedules.
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November 13, 2023, 11:30:23 PM
Any idea on how much boost Hotstar received from the ongoing world cup in India? During the last 12 months, they have lost 23.7 million paid subscribers and that amounts to almost 40% of their subscriber base in India. A lot of the users seems to be shifting to JioCinema, after it brought the streaming rights for IPL. That said, many matches of this world cup, which is being streamed live on Hostar have witnessed record high audience count. The match between India and New Zealand for example clocked a massive 44 million concurrent users at its peak.
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November 13, 2023, 11:20:24 PM
If India could win semis and final, they would rival the prime Australia back in 2003/'07, 11 wins consecutively.

Rest assured that India will be the champion in the 2023 World Cup and will be the undefeated champion again. If India wins against New Zealand then rest assured against Australia/South Africa in the semi-final and India will become the champions of the 2023 World Cup. and would share Australia's 2003/2007 World Cup record of 11 consecutive victories.
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November 13, 2023, 10:59:08 PM
If India could win semis and final, they would rival the prime Australia back in 2003/'07, 11 wins consecutively.

Everybody knows Baber Azam is World Class player and he has same capability like Virat Kohli. And Shubman Gill is new batsman, there are few good days of Shubman Gill and after Babar Azam will gain his form and he will play excellently. Virat  Kohli is playing very good and he has capability to gain position first in all formats.In past, No Pakistani  player maintained first position like Babar Azam ,it is big work of Babar Azam . Pakistani team is at top in T20 farmat ,it is due to only Babar Azam.Babar Azam is very hard working man but he can't qualify his team to Semi final to due to bad luck .If umpire gave out last batsman against South Africa match , Pakistan could qualify for final. That was empire decision and that was Pakistani bad luck.

The way Pakistan played this WC, honestly they didn't deserve to be in semis — expensive bowlers, and once in a while good inning from their batters, and those two could be when they chased 344 of SL and Fakhar Zaman's inning against NZ.

I was in cricket hiatus for long before I started watching this WC, all I heard was Pakistan has good bowlers, is this what they had got?
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November 13, 2023, 10:10:27 PM
The four teams that will play the semi-finals of the 2023 World Cup are fairly strong. India vs New Zealand will participate in the first semi-final, in this match I will put India ahead. Because India is in great form in the World Cup every Indian player is playing well. The second semi-final will be played between South Africa vs Australia and I will put Australia ahead in this match. Because there are some great batsmen like David Warner Maxwell who are doing great. I think we can see India and Australia in the final this time.
You are right, according to the current form India and Australia have a high chance of reaching the final. Australia performed very badly in the opening 2 matches of the World Cup resulting in losses, I thought Australia would be eliminated from the group stage. But Australia returned to form from 3 matches and won the next 7 matches. Although South Africa defeated Australia in the group stages, it will be difficult for South Africa to win against Australia in the semi-finals. New Zealand vs India will be played tomorrow, India will have more chances to win at home. New Zealand unfortunately failed to become champions after playing in the final twice in 2015 and 2019. I want South Africa and New Zealand to reach this year's final.
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November 13, 2023, 09:13:47 PM
ICC rankings (White ball) are a joke and context matters most. The red ball ranking still has some juice in it.

Any Player and team can achieve a high ranking easily if they keep playing against 2nd string team, similar to Pakistan. They played a fair amount of ODI but top teams like NZ, AUS, ENG fielded their 2nd string team because at that time everyone's focus was on the Test series and IPL, also it was pandemic bubble time.

Another example is that you hardly see Big teams fielding their full strength team in bilateral. ENG, AUS, IND are prime examples and in recent times NZ also started doing this. On the other hand, Pakistan always goes with the full strength team even against ZIM.

Franchise cricket is getting more and more important for the players. Players such as Trent Boult have completely stopped playing international cricket outside the ICC tournaments. This has many positives as well as negatives. One of the positives is that younger players get a chance to represent their national sides, and this is very evident in the case of teams such as England and New Zealand. Also, there is no point for teams such as Australia to field their full-strength squads, against weaker teams such as West Indies or Sri Lanka.
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