ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 18.

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Quote from: cryptoWODL on November 11, 2023, 11:33:53 PM

India vs Netherlands

India put up a mountain of runs against the Netherlands today. In this World Cup, India scored 400 for the first time, again against Netherlands. All the Indian batsmen who batted today have scored a fifty and two batsmen have scored a century. From the start, India batted very aggressively against Netherlands today and their batting early on looked like they might collect a big one today. With the target that India has given Netherlands, I think Netherlands can lose by 300 runs against India today.

The way India is playing in this World Cup tournament, it seems that even if the World XI is fielded against India, it is not possible to win against India with the World XI.

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Indian batters just destroyed the Dutch bowlers! Especially Logan van Beek was helpless against Indian batters. He conceded 107 runs in ten overs and it's 10.77 runs per over. A career eating performance. Paul van Meekeren is another one who had a similar experience against Indian batters. KL Rahul was destructive scoring 102 runs from 64 balls.

The Netherlands has this last chance to qualify for the champion's trophy, but it seems Bangladesh is going to qualify for the champion's trophy instead. The Netherlands have to improve their bowling.

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Quote from: cryptoWODL on November 11, 2023, 11:33:53 PM

Today match
India vs Netherlands

India is an unbeaten team in this World Cup so far and they will face a relatively weak team, Netherlands today.
With the way India's batting and bowling put up a good performance, it looks like they will have an easy win against the Netherlands today.
However, it would not be a surprise if Netherlands win against India today as they have already beaten a strong team like South Africa in this World Cup.

Today is the 44 th last game of this cup and next game will be semi final. Almost Indian batting lineup is coming to an end and there was only few overs are left to play. I think at the end of their batting lineup India successfully managed almost 400 plus target if they neither lost wickets of current batsman KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer. Shreyas Iyer complete full awesome century and he scored 104 runs in 88 balls and he hitted nine 4s and two 6s. KL Rahul scored 88 runs in 59 balls and he hitted eleven 4s and two 6s. Both these batsman still not dismissed and batting in the field. If they set 400+ plus target then it would be impossible for Netherlands team to chase it because this team has performed very poorly in old games.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 11, 2023, 06:17:15 PM

Simply looking at the performance from all the teams, you could see that India is the team to beat in this tournament and it will be a surprise if they do not win, so no need for gut feelings for that Cheesy

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It is better to accept the fact that performance of the team counts rather than programming a win, if this is your theory that host countries win, historically the host country never won the World Cup historically and that trend was changed only in 2011 when India won the World Cup.

Whatever you call it, but i am not going to argue with you on this (as i used to do previously:-[) and even with or without the conspiracy theories, the Indian team have come a long way and they are no doubt the best team in all departments. It's hard to compare them with any team at the moment.

To be very very honest, I think it will be unfair if Indians are not the champions this time. As JSRAW mentioned, a bad patch in knockout matches, can sometimes be very costly but hope they don't get that bad patches in the next two matches.

Quote from: JSRAW on November 11, 2023, 06:50:08 PM

1 bad day or 1 bad hour and you are out so no team can take their opponent lightly and it applies to every semi finalist, including the host nation.

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The strategy by the Indian opening pair throughout the World Cup has been very different. Especially by Rohit Sharma, he comes out starts hitting the main bowlers of the opposition and doesn't allow them to come back. It makes the bowler confused and they start bowling badly. This allows India to get the desired number of runs in the first 10 overs. Later on Kohli comes and does what he is known for in 50 over format.

They are doing the same thing today. In the knockout match, I hope the openers are able to repeat the same strategy. The match would be played in Wankhede stadium which again gives them a lot of benefits as most players in the playing 11 are from MI team in the IPL.

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Today is the last match of the ICC World Cup 2023 group stage. This match will not have any effect on the points table. India will easily win this match.
The news is that the Indian team is looking to give rest to their fast bowlers. However, it might not be a wise strategy because they might lose their rhythm, and you can not lose your key bowlers' rhythm just before the important semi-final. Let's see what the management will decide in this regard.

Quote from: libert19 on November 11, 2023, 08:46:21 PM

It would have been better had qualifiers work like in IPL where top two teams are given another chance if first qualifier is lost. It would make top standings more meaningful.

It is a good idea to give better-performing teams at the group stage another chance at the title, but I think this will overburden the teams because this is a 100-overs game, not 40.

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Today match
India vs Netherlands

India is an unbeaten team in this World Cup so far and they will face a relatively weak team, Netherlands today.
With the way India's batting and bowling put up a good performance, it looks like they will have an easy win against the Netherlands today.
However, it would not be a surprise if Netherlands win against India today as they have already beaten a strong team like South Africa in this World Cup.

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Quote from: libert19 on November 11, 2023, 08:46:21 PM

It would have been better had qualifiers work like in IPL where top two teams are given another chance if first qualifier is lost. It would make top standings more meaningful.

There are many differences between World Cup tournament and IPL tournament so ICC may not follow what IPL did. The teams leading the points table must have got some advantages like the first team of the points table will play with the fourth team of the points table and the second team of the points table will play with the third team of the points table ie here but the team at number one of the points table is getting a slightly easier opponent in the semi finals. If the ICC tournaments have semi-final rules like IPL, then it will be seen that the team number two and number three in the points table will have to win two matches to go to the final, which is inconsistent to see in a big tournament like the World Cup. We are looking forward to seeing two qualified teams out of the four teams in this World Cup final.

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It would have been better had qualifiers work like in IPL where top two teams are given another chance if first qualifier is lost. It would make top standings more meaningful.

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^^ It's called home advantage so it does play some part for the home team but anything could happen in the knockout stage. 1 bad day or 1 bad hour and you are out so no team can take their opponent lightly and it applies to every semi finalist, including the host nation.

When it comes to conspiracy theories then look at this way. Indian pitches are famous for spin, which could have played into India's hand because India has quality spinners who can bat down the order(for ex: Axar or Sunder) but so far we haven't seen any rank turner, even Chepuk pitch didn't offer much assistance to spinners and quite surprisingly Pacers are dominating the bowling department in this edition.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 11, 2023, 06:17:15 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 12:03:00 PM

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You may be right but i have a gut feeling that India will win this World Cup.

Simply looking at the performance from all the teams, you could see that India is the team to beat in this tournament and it will be a surprise if they do not win, so no need for gut feelings for that Cheesy

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 12:03:00 PM

And as far as the last World Cup is concerned, I remember that England was given an unfair advantage in the last over and it was a controversial win for England.

The rules were not set by the ICC when they saw England in the final, the rules were there even when the tournament started and if any other team or even Bangladesh or Pakistan were in the final, the same rule applies Wink

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 12:03:00 PM

I don't know but I can see the ICC's new patterns, The Big 3 hosting the World Cup and winning it. Englands hosted in 2019 and England won it.
This time India is hosting the World Cup and it is programmed for an Indian Win:

It is better to accept the fact that performance of the team counts rather than programming a win, if this is your theory that host countries win, historically the host country never won the World Cup historically and that trend was changed only in 2011 when India won the World Cup.

I am disagreed about few things with in last world cup if we have not hosted in England then surely I can say England is not going to win because host countries having some support even no one officially going to talk about this, but this is fact which allow England to win their first cup, but now their golden era is going to end with few players going to retire after this event.
Secondly now huge profit and good control of Indian sponsors are also having good impact on this game which is creating some mess-up, and you will watch few controversies in future as well because ICC is one of the most controversial sports organization with no power to handle things on merit.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 12:03:00 PM

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You may be right but i have a gut feeling that India will win this World Cup.

Simply looking at the performance from all the teams, you could see that India is the team to beat in this tournament and it will be a surprise if they do not win, so no need for gut feelings for that Cheesy

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 12:03:00 PM

And as far as the last World Cup is concerned, I remember that England was given an unfair advantage in the last over and it was a controversial win for England.

The rules were not set by the ICC when they saw England in the final, the rules were there even when the tournament started and if any other team or even Bangladesh or Pakistan were in the final, the same rule applies Wink

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 12:03:00 PM

I don't know but I can see the ICC's new patterns, The Big 3 hosting the World Cup and winning it. Englands hosted in 2019 and England won it.
This time India is hosting the World Cup and it is programmed for an Indian Win:

It is better to accept the fact that performance of the team counts rather than programming a win, if this is your theory that host countries win, historically the host country never won the World Cup historically and that trend was changed only in 2011 when India won the World Cup.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 10:28:04 AM

NZ is the team which has the habit of losing in the semi finals, and I am sure India will easily make it to the finals. The real battle will be between India, Australia and South Africa for the title.

During the last world cup (in 2019), they won the semi-final and almost won the final as well. So you should not underestimate New Zealand. And Indians do have a habit of performing very well in the group phase and then losing the knockout matches. So even at this point, there are no clear favorites. India do have the home advantage as well as momentum, so they may be considered as the team that is most probable to be crowned as the champions. But at the same time, you can't write off the other three teams. Each of them have their own positives.

You may be right but i have a gut feeling that India will win this World Cup.

And as far as the last World Cup is concerned, I remember that England was given an unfair advantage in the last over and it was a controversial win for England.

I don't know but I can see the ICC's new patterns, The Big 3 hosting the World Cup and winning it. Englands hosted in 2019 and England won it.
This time India is hosting the World Cup and it is programmed for an Indian Win:

Now money completely change this game which was once gentlemen game now game of power and money in last editions we have England as they were host now India is having strong case with next 2027 world cup is going to be played in South Africa which mean they could be next champions even they will be not good in quality like we have England in last edition.
New Zealand is having impressive history in ICC events, but sadly they have never been able to win trophy now they are having seventh straight semifinal spot with losing two finals is also their achievement and most chances we will never have them as champions in next edition as well hopefully their luck works once they will host event again as co-host of Australia, and they will have this honor.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 11, 2023, 04:08:20 AM

If they bowl well then they can win today unless Maxwell again plays too well today.

Maxwell is not playing today.

Maxwell is not the only player on the Australian Cricket Team. There are other Legendary players who have written their names on top of overall players. Everyone knows the name of Marsh, Warner. Here already Marsh's score is 96. Everyone knows that Australia is the team 5 time winner in this ICC World Cup.

Bangladesh gave Australia a target of 307 runs, Australia's batting line is very strong. If Bangladesh still bowls well, maybe this match can be within their reach. Mitchell Marsh does not have to get out at this moment, otherwise he will score a double century like Maxwell. When Bangladesh scored 306 runs, I was thinking that if we bowl well, we can win today's match. But the brilliant batting of David Warner and Mitchell Marsh has brought Australia to the verge of victory. If Mitchell Marsh can be dismissed now, Australia might have a bit of a hold. I want Bangladesh to win. But Australia's batting looks like they will easily win today's match. Still, congratulations to the country of Bangladesh for batting very well today. The absence of the world's best all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan remains a drawback, maybe if Shakib was there, both bowling and batting would have been better.

In today game Bangladesh team vs Australia team, Australia team won this game due to good struggle in batting lineup. In this game, Australia won toss from Bangladesh team and Australia team decide to choose first bowling lineup. M.Marsh played amazingly in today game, he scored 177 runs in 132 runs with not dismissed and he hitted seventeen 4s and nine 6s in this game and this batsman also achieved player of game with also 4 overs and 48 runs. S.Abbott and A.Zampa both theses bowler of Australia showed good performance and each bowler took 2,w wickets of Bangladesh team.

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Quote from: Bureau on November 11, 2023, 09:47:57 AM

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Thanks for the support! If you could understand what is happening? Amul one of the big sponser startted to sponsor Afghanistan. If you remember, they were the last in the ranking and Amul still consider them a team to recognise. They did and they as a sponser would be happy.

In 2019 they were in the bottom and now they question those who qualified for.the semifinals.

Don't worry about it yaar.

I was aware of Amul sponsoring the Kiwis but I wasn't aware of their connection with the Afghan team so that's news to me. Anyway, props to Amul that they went ahead with the Afghan team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 11, 2023, 08:25:36 AM

Absolutely! Afghanistan should be proud of their performance and i am sure they know it. They won hearts of many fans all around the world with their fight against good teams.

That's why I said several times in this thread that this is Afghanistan's best World Cup they have ever played. They were amazing in this World Cup. Winning against teams like England, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is a sign that they are becoming more mature these days. I guess one of their players said they should have win the match against Bangladesh too. They could have been in the equation playing the semi finals today. But they should not be upset of how they ended this World Cup journey. They should be proud of theirself.

Their batting is maturing nicely and batters are winning the majority of crucial moments for the team.

If there is no support for spinners then their bowling is still weak and death bowling is horrible, no matter what and a shitload amount of hard work is needed in fielding. Having said that they are still looking promising outfit so i am hopeful.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 11, 2023, 11:56:04 AM

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NZ is the team which has the habit of losing in the semi finals, and I am sure India will easily make it to the finals. The real battle will be between India, Australia and South Africa for the title.

During the last world cup (in 2019), they won the semi-final and almost won the final as well. So you should not underestimate New Zealand. And Indians do have a habit of performing very well in the group phase and then losing the knockout matches. So even at this point, there are no clear favorites. India do have the home advantage as well as momentum, so they may be considered as the team that is most probable to be crowned as the champions. But at the same time, you can't write off the other three teams. Each of them have their own positives.

You may be right but i have a gut feeling that India will win this World Cup.

And as far as the last World Cup is concerned, I remember that England was given an unfair advantage in the last over and it was a controversial win for England.

I don't know but I can see the ICC's new patterns, The Big 3 hosting the World Cup and winning it. Englands hosted in 2019 and England won it.
This time India is hosting the World Cup and it is programmed for an Indian Win:

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 11, 2023, 10:28:04 AM

NZ is the team which has the habit of losing in the semi finals, and I am sure India will easily make it to the finals. The real battle will be between India, Australia and South Africa for the title.

During the last world cup (in 2019), they won the semi-final and almost won the final as well. So you should not underestimate New Zealand. And Indians do have a habit of performing very well in the group phase and then losing the knockout matches. So even at this point, there are no clear favorites. India do have the home advantage as well as momentum, so they may be considered as the team that is most probable to be crowned as the champions. But at the same time, you can't write off the other three teams. Each of them have their own positives.

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Quote from: Bureau on November 11, 2023, 07:56:02 AM

The end of a respectable exit from the World Cup for Bangladesh. After 7 games they batted really well and in the end they again lost. They made themselves viral with Angelo Mathews time out and thanks to them we realised that such law does existed. The problem with Bangladesh is the same that is happening with Srilanka. All corrupt politicians are handling the board. After Srilanka, I feel the ICC should also ban Bangladesh board.

You need to add Pakistan to this list and ban our board too. Corruption is at the highest level in Pakistan too and hence we should not expect anything good for the team for these players. We have alreeay seen West Indies and Zimbabwe exit and these countries are following the same pattern. what worries me is that we are now left with only 4 to 5 teams who show consistent performances and the rest is all garbage. Not good for cricket.

Quote from: Bureau on November 11, 2023, 07:56:02 AM

I am not sure what India will do in the knock out. If history repeats itself then they would be out of the competition. If not then they will be in the finals. But, what happened to these countries in the Indian subcontinent like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. They were once the best but they are know the worst.

NZ is the team which has the habit of losing in the semi finals, and I am sure India will easily make it to the finals. The real battle will be between India, Australia and South Africa for the title.

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England batted brilliantly after winning the toss against Pakistan today and managed to post a huge score. They scored 337 runs for the loss of 9 wickets. I'm really surprised by the game. England's performance against Pakistan today was amazing. England has given a target of 338 runs to Pakistan team, I think Pakistan will have to struggle a lot to meet this target today and it will be very difficult for Pakistan to win today's match. If Pakistan team loses today's match or wins by less runs, then they will not be able to go to the semi-final, but the New Zealand team will be selected for the semi-final. And today's match is definitely very important for Pakistan, in today's match they may have to leave the World Cup. Because meeting the target of 340 runs is not such an easy task if they can win without losing a wicket then there is a chance according to their run rate. England played so well today due to which they scored huge which is a lot of hurdle for Pakistan and due to this match today Pakistan team will not be selected for semi final.

This was the biggest strategy of game by the England against the Pakistan team,the team Pakistan had loss their full hope in the game after the close loss with the South Africa.The bowling of the Pakistan was good enough at the beginning and win the big team.Personally I had think the team Pakistan will enter the semifinal.But they had loss the important matches and waiting for the last luck with the big team like England with huge run rate was not the better option for the Pakistan.It’s essential to win as like the team India and South Africa to keep at the top 4 places till the semi final for the easy chance of the semi final.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on November 11, 2023, 09:54:09 AM

That's why I said several times in this thread that this is Afghanistan's best World Cup they have ever played. They were amazing in this World Cup. Winning against teams like England, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is a sign that they are becoming more mature these days. I guess one of their players said they should have win the match against Bangladesh too. They could have been in the equation playing the semi finals today. But they should not be upset of how they ended this World Cup journey. They should be proud of theirself.

Afghanistan performed way better than what was expected from them. There is no doubt in this regard. But the same can't be said about Pakistan. At least they should have ended this tournament with a win. But they are going to suffer a very heavy defeat today as well. For today's match, both the openers (Abdullah Shafique and Fakhar Zaman) were back in pavilion by the third over. And by then, the match was almost over. Pakistan was playing for the consolation win, and unfortunately today they are not going to get it. They are at 150/7 in 31.4 overs.

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