ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 22.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on November 10, 2023, 08:40:52 AM

The way Afghanistan lost wickets at the start I didn't think they would end up scoring 240 plus runs in the first innings. Perhaps Afghanistan lost the first 6 wickets between 110 runs and 120 runs. If a team loses their first 6 wickets within 100 runs then the 200 plus runs from that team in the end is nothing but responsible batting by the late batsmen. South Africa have collected a lot in the tournament so I would never say that they will have an easy win against Afghanistan.

To score 240 plus runs, South Africa will have to play responsible batting. Although I don't have confidence in Afghanistan's batting, I have enough confidence in Afghanistan's bowlers. It will not be easy for the African batsmen to deal with Afghanistan's bowlers. If Afghanistan wants to win this match, they must get out the opening four or five batsmen quickly, only then Afghanistan can finish the last match with victory.

Right, Afghanistan team successfully managed 244 runs target and your guess about targeting runs almost achieved. Your last words that Afghanistan finished this game by victory this would be doubtful because the opposite of Afghanistan team is South Africa team, this is not weak team at all in fact they are quite strong team in this tournament, in past they won several games of this tournament with huge margin of runs. Now, they chase down 66 runs target in 13 overs with lost one wicket of Captain T.Bavuma. He dismissed at 23 runs from 28 balls with three 4s. Current Batsmen are strong and good attackers in batting lineup. Kock scored 41 runs in 47 balls with two 4s and three 6s.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 09, 2023, 10:51:15 AM

I was listening to the commentators after the post-match ceremony. They were saying that in case Pakistan bats first and make 300, then they need to bowl out England for around 50. On the other hand, if England bats first then they need to bowl out England for 50 runs and then chase down the target in 2.5 overs. So we are almost assured of a semi-final match between India and New Zealand. The other semi-final match is between South Africa and Australia. The knockout phase for sure is going to be very interesting.

Hehe. This is an impossible equation unless England badly wants Pakistan to play in the semi-finals. They may give them a chance, wait, I should not talk nonsense as these things are not going to happen anyway.

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I am sure you don't know what is the meaning of OP. OP is the original poster or the thread creator. Anyone who writes in this thread is not OP. I am sorry for being off-topic here.

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Quote from: libert19 on November 10, 2023, 08:12:16 AM

Quote from: Fuso.hp on November 10, 2023, 05:20:45 AM

Undoubtedly, just as Afghanistan is playing with the reality against South Africa today, Pakistan will have to play with the reality against England that they will not be able to qualify for the semi-finals in any way.

They have got hope, especially if they get to bat first, I really hope they do get to bat first. Zaman, Babar, Rizwan, Iftikar — 400+ target is entirely possible.

BTW, does anyone find it annoying that stadium dj keeps playing hindi songs despite Indian team not playing?

It is never possible for Pakistan to qualify for the semi-finals because the England Pakistan match is such that if Pakistan wins the toss and bats, they will have to collect 500 runs and England will have to be bowled out within 50 runs. Such an equation is only possible in imagination but very difficult to implement in practice.

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Quote from: Bureau on November 10, 2023, 09:31:27 AM

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Quote from: libert19 on November 10, 2023, 08:12:16 AM

BTW, does anyone find it annoying that stadium dj keeps playing hindi songs despite Indian team not playing?

99.99% of spectators are Desis and Afghanis so Bollywood songs make more sense.

I wasn't talking about particularly this match, we hear desi songs in all matches.

Why not you apply for the DJ position and suggest here before you apply what song you would want to play? The common sense here is that they are not playing for international audience.

I was under the impression that DJs play songs for teams playing and not only for spectators.

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Quote from: LDL on November 10, 2023, 04:39:53 AM

Nahhh boss... Pakistan would have no chance after today's match.
Yesterday's defeat to Sri Lanka crushed Pakistan's dream of reaching the semi-finals. There is no chance for Pakistan to reach the semi-finals. Because Pakistan does not have the power to defeat England by such a huge margin and no matter how big a miracle happens, Pakistan cannot defeat England by such a huge margin. So in this world cup for now Pakistan will not dream of playing semi-final as they were looking at the match between Sri Lanka and New Zealand and if New Zealand were to lose then there was a chance of Pakistan reaching the semi-final but with the defeat all the chances are nil.

Hmm, I don't know what libert19 was looking at but yeah Pakistan still has a chance but only just on pure mathematics. But in reality, the mountain is so hard to climb.

I am saying this even if England are so terrible, I mean PAK losing to AFG was probably the low point for them but ENG losing to Holland was lol.

But PK beating ENG to get NRR above NZ, so something like need to beat England by 280+ runs lol Never gonna happen

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Quote from: libert19 on November 10, 2023, 08:49:07 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 10, 2023, 08:41:00 AM

Quote from: libert19 on November 10, 2023, 08:12:16 AM

BTW, does anyone find it annoying that stadium dj keeps playing hindi songs despite Indian team not playing?

99.99% of spectators are Desis and Afghanis so Bollywood songs make more sense.

I wasn't talking about particularly this match, we hear desi songs in all matches.

Why not you apply for the DJ position and suggest here before you apply what song you would want to play? The common sense here is that they are not playing for international audience. They are playing for those Indians who have come to watch the match. You should understand one point the World Cup is happening in India and the crowd that you see are Indians and not foreigners.

Coming back to the match which I skipped watching. I think this match and the next coming up between England and Pakistan are just time pass. There is nothing to watch as it is clear like Afganistan, Pakistan would play in the same manner.

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Quote from: BALIK on November 10, 2023, 08:16:46 AM

Quote from: synchronym on November 10, 2023, 06:57:52 AM

Today's match is not very important for any team, but if Afghanistan wins today's match, then they will not be able to play the semi-final, Afghanistan is far behind in terms of run rate. Afghanistan team is in great form for the 2023 World Cup. The power with which Afghanistan won against Pakistan. We don't see their confidence batting today. Afghanistan's batting disaster today. Now in the end it remains to be seen how many runs Afghanistan can be restricted to. We all know that Afghanistan's bowling line is very strong. So if Afghanistan could have given South Africa a target of 270 runs. Then they could have come close to winning today's match.

Although the top order is not playing well, the responsible batting of Azmatullah Omarzai is moving towards a decent target for the Afghanistan team. At the end of 47 overs, Afghanistan team managed to collect 224 runs. Afghanistan lost 8 wickets. Azmatullah Omarzai is now at the crease. Azmatullah Omarzai is unbeaten with 83 runs from 96 balls. If you can target over 250 I think it will be a good enough collection to fight. Because the pitch is not completely batting friendly. Moreover, the South African team in the run chase is a bit weak. Even if the target is not big, Afghanistan will make the match competitive.

Afghanistan did not bat that well early on, scoring just 56 runs and losing 3 wickets during their 15 overs. The state of their game then looked like they would be all out for 170 runs. But due to responsible batting by Azmatullah, Afghanistan managed to score 244 runs today. Azmatullah is unbeaten with 97 runs off 107 balls. A target of 244 runs will not be too difficult for South Africa. South Africa's batting line is very strong, but Afghanistan's bowling line is also very strong. A target of 244 runs will be challenging for South Africa. If Rashid Khan's army can bowl well.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 10, 2023, 08:41:00 AM

Quote from: libert19 on November 10, 2023, 08:12:16 AM

BTW, does anyone find it annoying that stadium dj keeps playing hindi songs despite Indian team not playing?

99.99% of spectators are Desis and Afghanis so Bollywood songs make more sense.

I wasn't talking about particularly this match, we hear desi songs in all matches.

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Quote from: libert19 on November 10, 2023, 08:12:16 AM

BTW, does anyone find it annoying that stadium dj keeps playing hindi songs despite Indian team not playing?

99.99% of spectators are Desis and Afghanis so Bollywood songs make more sense.

Afghanistan keeps improving its batting. Normally against big teams, you expect the tail to fold up quickly but Afghans are learning how to bat 50 overs regularly and they did it already a couple of times in this WC edition despite a mini collapse.

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The way Afghanistan lost wickets at the start I didn't think they would end up scoring 240 plus runs in the first innings. Perhaps Afghanistan lost the first 6 wickets between 110 runs and 120 runs. If a team loses their first 6 wickets within 100 runs then the 200 plus runs from that team in the end is nothing but responsible batting by the late batsmen. South Africa have collected a lot in the tournament so I would never say that they will have an easy win against Afghanistan.

To score 240 plus runs, South Africa will have to play responsible batting. Although I don't have confidence in Afghanistan's batting, I have enough confidence in Afghanistan's bowlers. It will not be easy for the African batsmen to deal with Afghanistan's bowlers. If Afghanistan wants to win this match, they must get out the opening four or five batsmen quickly, only then Afghanistan can finish the last match with victory.

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Afghanistan makes 244, unfortunately Hazmat couldn't make century and stayed not-out at 97. They managed to score good total despite having a poor start.

SA is having to bat second, let's see how they do Grin

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Quote from: synchronym on November 10, 2023, 06:57:52 AM

Today's match is not very important for any team, but if Afghanistan wins today's match, then they will not be able to play the semi-final, Afghanistan is far behind in terms of run rate. Afghanistan team is in great form for the 2023 World Cup. The power with which Afghanistan won against Pakistan. We don't see their confidence batting today. Afghanistan's batting disaster today. Now in the end it remains to be seen how many runs Afghanistan can be restricted to. We all know that Afghanistan's bowling line is very strong. So if Afghanistan could have given South Africa a target of 270 runs. Then they could have come close to winning today's match.

It is the 42 match of ICC world cup. it is the between south Africa and Afghanistan. it is very important match for both team.Afghanistan won the toss and elected batting. The South African bowler bowled Afghanistan fifth batsman in the fifth ball of the 26th over. Afghanistan batsman makes 112 run in 27 over and 5 outs.Afghanistan batsman makes 150 run in 35 over and 6 outs.Afghanistan batsmen are struggling and not trying.Afghanistan batsman makes 157 run in 37 over and 6 outs.Afghanistan batsman makes 173 run in 40 over and 7 outs.According to which Afghanistan are playing and it seems that they will lose the match.

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Quote from: synchronym on November 10, 2023, 06:57:52 AM

Today's match is not very important for any team, but if Afghanistan wins today's match, then they will not be able to play the semi-final, Afghanistan is far behind in terms of run rate. Afghanistan team is in great form for the 2023 World Cup. The power with which Afghanistan won against Pakistan. We don't see their confidence batting today. Afghanistan's batting disaster today. Now in the end it remains to be seen how many runs Afghanistan can be restricted to. We all know that Afghanistan's bowling line is very strong. So if Afghanistan could have given South Africa a target of 270 runs. Then they could have come close to winning today's match.

Although the top order is not playing well, the responsible batting of Azmatullah Omarzai is moving towards a decent target for the Afghanistan team. At the end of 47 overs, Afghanistan team managed to collect 224 runs. Afghanistan lost 8 wickets. Azmatullah Omarzai is now at the crease. Azmatullah Omarzai is unbeaten with 83 runs from 96 balls. If you can target over 250 I think it will be a good enough collection to fight. Because the pitch is not completely batting friendly. Moreover, the South African team in the run chase is a bit weak. Even if the target is not big, Afghanistan will make the match competitive.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on November 10, 2023, 05:20:45 AM

Undoubtedly, just as Afghanistan is playing with the reality against South Africa today, Pakistan will have to play with the reality against England that they will not be able to qualify for the semi-finals in any way.

They have got hope, especially if they get to bat first, I really hope they do get to bat first. Zaman, Babar, Rizwan, Iftikar — 400+ target is entirely possible.

BTW, does anyone find it annoying that stadium dj keeps playing hindi songs despite Indian team not playing?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 10, 2023, 06:39:18 AM

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And it's not like Pakistan gave a tough fight in any ODI match against India. This year every single ODI encounter was one sided and with every defeat, they felt the identity crisis in general and the morale went down for everyone. This added more frustration and it was quite visible from silly statements by Director Mickey Arthur etc.

Kiwis are a dangerous team, and facing them again in the semis is like our own PTSD moment. Grin

LOL.. agreed on both Pakistan and New Zealand. Pakistani players seems to be suffering from a low morale. There are excuses, such as the absence of Naseem Shah. But then, it is not good for any of the teams to be dependent upon a single player. And even if Naseem was included in the squad, there is no guarantee that Pakistan would have performed better. And in case of New Zealand, they are a side capable of making upsets. But they don't always perform well in Indian conditions, unlike teams like Australia and South Africa.

India lost in the 2019 ODI WC semis, got thrashed in the T-20 Semis, and lost 2 back to back finals in the WTC. We heard everything but excuses. Yeah, a couple of excuses were there but the main talking point and all scrutiny were focused on why the team lost the key moments. Pakistan seems to missing this and always practices knee jerk reactions.

Fingers crossed for the semis Undecided

and I am not sure if I'll be able to watch it live if we are 5/3 in the first 3 overs again lol.

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Today's match is not very important for any team, but if Afghanistan wins today's match, then they will not be able to play the semi-final, Afghanistan is far behind in terms of run rate. Afghanistan team is in great form for the 2023 World Cup. The power with which Afghanistan won against Pakistan. We don't see their confidence batting today. Afghanistan's batting disaster today. Now in the end it remains to be seen how many runs Afghanistan can be restricted to. We all know that Afghanistan's bowling line is very strong. So if Afghanistan could have given South Africa a target of 270 runs. Then they could have come close to winning today's match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 10, 2023, 04:12:17 AM

And it's not like Pakistan gave a tough fight in any ODI match against India. This year every single ODI encounter was one sided and with every defeat, they felt the identity crisis in general and the morale went down for everyone. This added more frustration and it was quite visible from silly statements by Director Mickey Arthur etc.

Kiwis are a dangerous team, and facing them again in the semis is like our own PTSD moment. Grin

LOL.. agreed on both Pakistan and New Zealand. Pakistani players seems to be suffering from a low morale. There are excuses, such as the absence of Naseem Shah. But then, it is not good for any of the teams to be dependent upon a single player. And even if Naseem was included in the squad, there is no guarantee that Pakistan would have performed better. And in case of New Zealand, they are a side capable of making upsets. But they don't always perform well in Indian conditions, unlike teams like Australia and South Africa.

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The way Afghanistan are batting today it looks like they have already accepted their defeat. They have lost quickly 4 wickets and struggling to even take singles. Keshav Maharaj bowling has been good today. Already has 2 wickets and gave only 16 runs. He still has 3 more overs left and I am feeling that he might get another couple of wickets before his spells end. South Africa will win today as I doubt Afghanistan would be able to put up a big target.

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Afghanistan has been a successful team so far in this World Cup as a new team.They have won almost every match after losing their first match against Bangladesh which is unbelievable.Afghanistan's batting and bowling lineups were both correct in this World Cup due to which they won their matches with proper game plan.
However, in today's match, Afghanistan looks different as they lost three wickets in exchange for just 57 runs.Playing like this, Afghanistan might not be able to win against South Africa because South Africa's batting line-up is very strong.

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Quote from: LDL on November 10, 2023, 04:39:53 AM

Nahhh boss... Pakistan would have no chance after today's match.
Yesterday's defeat to Sri Lanka crushed Pakistan's dream of reaching the semi-finals. There is no chance for Pakistan to reach the semi-finals. Because Pakistan does not have the power to defeat England by such a huge margin and no matter how big a miracle happens, Pakistan cannot defeat England by such a huge margin. So in this world cup for now Pakistan will not dream of playing semi-final as they were looking at the match between Sri Lanka and New Zealand and if New Zealand were to lose then there was a chance of Pakistan reaching the semi-final but with the defeat all the chances are nil.

Undoubtedly, just as Afghanistan is playing with the reality against South Africa today, Pakistan will have to play with the reality against England that they will not be able to qualify for the semi-finals in any way. Pakistan has to plan ahead with the champion trophy. Since the World Cup is out of Pakistan's hands, Pakistan's next plan should be the Champions Trophy. That is why I mentioned the Champions Trophy because the Champions Trophy which will be held in 2026 will be hosted by Pakistan. Just as India is performing very well at home, Pakistan should perform at its best in the Champions Trophy.

Now only the semi-final matches of this world cup tournament will be much more exciting and the remaining matches will not be very exciting.

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