ICC WORLD CUP 2023 DISCUSSION THREAD! - page 23.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 09, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

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I really wanted to see another game between Pakistan and India. New Zealand destroyed all hopes of another game because of hopeless Srilankan team. The tail enders batted better than those who were meant only to bat in the Srilankan team. Srilankan cricket is on the brink of collapse. I doubt if they would qualify for the next World Cup if they keep playing in the same manner. The board and the team is in shambles.

Well.. people are getting tired of the frequent India vs Pakistan clashes. We had 5-6 of them this year, including those in Asia Cup and Asian Games. The interest is really low. Peak viewership in Hotstar was just 23 million for the India vs Pakistan clash in the world cup, when compared to 44 million for the India vs South Africa match and 43 million for the India vs New Zealand match. Also, Pakistan is not being competitive in recent matches against India, and I believe that the Kiwis will be able to put up a better fight against the Indians.

And it's not like Pakistan gave a tough fight in any ODI match against India. This year every single ODI encounter was one sided and with every defeat, they felt the identity crisis in general and the morale went down for everyone. This added more frustration and it was quite visible from silly statements by Director Mickey Arthur etc.

Kiwis are a dangerous team, and facing them again in the semis is like our own PTSD moment. Grin

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Today narendra modi stadium Ahmedabad is going to face Afghanistan vs South Africa. Meanwhile South Africa have already confirmed their semi-final. Afghanistan are going to face a tough challenger today, New Zealand are well ahead in the semi-final race after beating Sri Lanka by 5 wickets earlier in the day. Afghanistan will face a tough equation heading into today's semi-finals. They have to win the match today, they have to beat South Africa by a huge margin. According to NNR New Zealand is far ahead where NNR of New Zealand is +0.743 Afghanistan NNR is -0.338. To go to semi final as fourth team must win and NNR must be more than New Zealand. Pakistan, on the other hand, will face the same equation NNR is +0.036. It will be much more difficult for Afghanistan to do so with tough opponents South Africa. This cricket ground ODI first innings score average 237, second innings score average 207 in that case the toss is very important. Here the spin bowlers will have a huge advantage. In that case the spin unit from South Africa to Afghanistan is very strong. Today's match is going to be very interesting. Can Afghanistan show any new surprises today?

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Quote from: libert19 on November 09, 2023, 11:37:14 PM

^ Still it'll be interesting game if Pakistan wins the toss, they will go aggressive from the start (like Zaman against NZ) and if it works out well we might see 400+ target, looking at England's current form, they just might win.

One of few times, I'll be excited who wins the toss.

If Pakistan makes 400, then they need to bowl out England for 113. It is possible and it has happened before. In this tournament, Australia made 399 and then bowled out Netherlands for 90, which gave them a victory margin of 309 runs. Pakistan needs a victory margin of 287, in order to qualify for the semi-finals. But it is up to them, whether they want to try for that or not. And let's not forget the scenario during Netherlands vs Scotland match in world cup qualifier. Netherlands was faced with an almost impossible scenario to qualify to the world cup, but even then they managed it.

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^ Still it'll be interesting game if Pakistan wins the toss, they will go aggressive from the start (like Zaman against NZ) and if it works out well we might see 400+ target, looking at England's current form, they just might win.

One of few times, I'll be excited who wins the toss.

Pakistan need one more win before winning the match against England and that win is to win the toss although winning the toss is totally depends on luck still Pakistani fans will definitely want Pakistan to win the toss today against England. Winning the toss will make it very easy for Pakistan to qualify for the semi finals but not at all but Pakistan will have a chance. We saw Pakistan batting aggressively against New Zealand, if Pakistan can bat aggressively after winning the toss against England and bowl England out within 150 runs with a target of 400 plus runs then Pakistan will have a chance to go to the semi finals. Equations are as simple as reality for us but as difficult, first win the toss then batting very aggressively and there may be many things in between which we are not mentioning now but Pakistan will play a good match against England today for sure.

Bruh today we have SA vs Afghanistan

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Quote from: libert19 on November 09, 2023, 11:37:14 PM

^ Still it'll be interesting game if Pakistan wins the toss, they will go aggressive from the start (like Zaman against NZ) and if it works out well we might see 400+ target, looking at England's current form, they just might win.

One of few times, I'll be excited who wins the toss.

Pakistan need one more win before winning the match against England and that win is to win the toss although winning the toss is totally depends on luck still Pakistani fans will definitely want Pakistan to win the toss today against England. Winning the toss will make it very easy for Pakistan to qualify for the semi finals but not at all but Pakistan will have a chance. We saw Pakistan batting aggressively against New Zealand, if Pakistan can bat aggressively after winning the toss against England and bowl England out within 150 runs with a target of 400 plus runs then Pakistan will have a chance to go to the semi finals. Equations are as simple as reality for us but as difficult, first win the toss then batting very aggressively and there may be many things in between which we are not mentioning now but Pakistan will play a good match against England today for sure.

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^ Still it'll be interesting game if Pakistan wins the toss, they will go aggressive from the start (like Zaman against NZ) and if it works out well we might see 400+ target, looking at England's current form, they just might win.

One of few times, I'll be excited who wins the toss.

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New Zealand had a chance today to stay in contention for the semifinals but New Zealand failed there. New Zealand picked up the first nine wickets very quickly but New Zealand had to wait a long time to pick up the last wicket due to which Sri Lanka's first innings collection went from embarrassing to good. The target for New Zealand was that if they could secure victory against Sri Lanka in twenty overs with the fall of fewer wickets, Pakistan would need to win by a minimum margin of 300 runs against England to progress to the next round. Beating England by 300 runs was impossible for Pakistan to catch so definitely New Zealand would have played the semi-final but New Zealand couldn't do it. Batting 23 overs secured a 5 wicket win against Sri Lanka due to which their net run rate is not very comfortable. If Pakistan can beat England by a big margin in the next match, then Pakistan will make a great chance to play in the semi-finals.

Beating England by 300 runs is an impossible task for Pakistan. While it's feasible for Pakistan to score 500 and restrict England to 211, the scenario is only applicable if Pakistan wins the toss. If England wins the toss and elects to bat first, the situation changes.

In my opinion, New Zealand will likely progress, and they should focus on their next match.

If Pakistan can bat first then there will be some chance but if for some reason England bat then it will be an impossible equation for Pakistan to qualify for semi final. The equation is that if Pakistan bat first then England need to beat Pakistan by 280 plus runs and if Pakistan bat later they need to win the match in three overs. It is certain that no equation will come in Pakistan's favor but the first equation is more possible than the second equation but the second equation is absolutely impossible.

Just as we have no dream of Pakistan qualifying for the semi-finals, Pakistan may have given up hope. Pakistan players and team management might be satisfied with a win against England as that win will not help them qualify for the semi-finals.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 09, 2023, 09:21:15 PM

I really wanted to see another game between Pakistan and India. New Zealand destroyed all hopes of another game because of hopeless Srilankan team. The tail enders batted better than those who were meant only to bat in the Srilankan team. Srilankan cricket is on the brink of collapse. I doubt if they would qualify for the next World Cup if they keep playing in the same manner. The board and the team is in shambles.

Well.. people are getting tired of the frequent India vs Pakistan clashes. We had 5-6 of them this year, including those in Asia Cup and Asian Games. The interest is really low. Peak viewership in Hotstar was just 23 million for the India vs Pakistan clash in the world cup, when compared to 44 million for the India vs South Africa match and 43 million for the India vs New Zealand match. Also, Pakistan is not being competitive in recent matches against India, and I believe that the Kiwis will be able to put up a better fight against the Indians.

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I really wanted to see another game between Pakistan and India. New Zealand destroyed all hopes of another game because of hopeless Srilankan team. The tail enders batted better than those who were meant only to bat in the Srilankan team. Srilankan cricket is on the brink of collapse. I doubt if they would qualify for the next World Cup if they keep playing in the same manner. The board and the team is in shambles.

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Today is the 42nd match of the World Cup South Africa vs Afghanistan. South Africa has already qualified for the semi-finals, while Afghanistan will not qualify for the semi-finals. Because Afghanistan has NRR -0.33, if Afghanistan win NRR will be difficult to be more plus than New Zealand. It will be difficult for Afghanistan to win against South Africa today. Either New Zealand or Pakistan will qualify as the fourth team to play in the semi-finals. But New Zealand is slightly ahead.

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Quote from: Jateng on November 09, 2023, 12:26:16 PM

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When New Zealand won the toss and decided to field, at first I thought that maybe it was because of the bad weather that the New Zealand captain took this decision. That is because New Zealand scored 401 runs against Pakistan but Pakistan won the match due to rain. This may be the main reason why the New Zealand captain decided to field to win the toss today. After bowling out Sri Lanka for 171, I might have thought that if New Zealand were to bat, two wickets would be the maximum they could take. But New Zealand's target of 172 runs required them to lose five wickets to win.

New Zealand have chased down the 172/5 target in just 24th overs and New Zealand are almost qualify for the Semifinal of world cup, they have 10 points and positive 0.74 run rate. i think New Zealand are going to face India in the semifinal because india are top of the points table and New Zealand is fouth position on points table of world cup. and i can say one more thing Pakistan and Afghanistan are unofficially out of the world cup 2023.

Even though England beat England by a big margin in the match between England and Pakistan, it is never possible for Pakistan to beat New Zealand's net run rate. So Pakistan's dream of reaching the semi-finals in 2023 World Cup is over for now. However, Pakistan will finish their last match as the top 5 team in this World Cup. Had Pakistan taken the games seriously in the early days then today's last over net run rate for Pakistan would not have been calculated. Pakistan could well have made it to the semi-finals.

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Quote from: Jateng on November 09, 2023, 12:26:16 PM

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When New Zealand won the toss and decided to field, at first I thought that maybe it was because of the bad weather that the New Zealand captain took this decision. That is because New Zealand scored 401 runs against Pakistan but Pakistan won the match due to rain. This may be the main reason why the New Zealand captain decided to field to win the toss today. After bowling out Sri Lanka for 171, I might have thought that if New Zealand were to bat, two wickets would be the maximum they could take. But New Zealand's target of 172 runs required them to lose five wickets to win.

New Zealand have chased down the 172/5 target in just 24th overs and New Zealand are almost qualify for the Semifinal of world cup, they have 10 points and positive 0.74 run rate. i think New Zealand are going to face India in the semifinal because india are top of the points table and New Zealand is fouth position on points table of world cup. and i can say one more thing Pakistan and Afghanistan are unofficially out of the world cup 2023.

No one would have imagined that Sri Lanka would do so badly against New Zealand today but today is proof that cricket is a game of uncertainty. Any accident on the cricket field cannot be regretted. Sri Lanka's loss to New Zealand ended Pakistan's semi-final dreams. However, we prepare for the next step as soon as we see the semi-final game. Hopefully the semi finals will be very good and very competitive. But I was very hurt by Pakistan's elimination from the semi-final because I thought the semi-final should be between Pakistan and India.

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Anyone interested in the Afghanistan vs South Africa match which will be played tomorrow? Since all the semi-final slots have been decided already, the viewership for the remaining matches will be at record low. And even the India vs Netherlands match is going to get impacted. And this is the problem with having a group of 10 teams playing against each other. Now the world cup will go in to hibernation mode until the first semi-final, which will be played on 15th November at the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai.

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Quote from: Jateng on November 09, 2023, 12:26:16 PM

Quote from: synchronym on November 09, 2023, 10:27:29 AM

When New Zealand won the toss and decided to field, at first I thought that maybe it was because of the bad weather that the New Zealand captain took this decision. That is because New Zealand scored 401 runs against Pakistan but Pakistan won the match due to rain. This may be the main reason why the New Zealand captain decided to field to win the toss today. After bowling out Sri Lanka for 171, I might have thought that if New Zealand were to bat, two wickets would be the maximum they could take. But New Zealand's target of 172 runs required them to lose five wickets to win.

New Zealand have chased down the 172/5 target in just 24th overs and New Zealand are almost qualify for the Semifinal of world cup, they have 10 points and positive 0.74 run rate. i think New Zealand are going to face India in the semifinal because india are top of the points table and New Zealand is fouth position on points table of world cup. and i can say one more thing Pakistan and Afghanistan are unofficially out of the world cup 2023.

41 st game was now overed. In this match, New Zealand won toss and they decided to bat first in field. Sri Lanka performance in this match was totally bad in bowling side, fielding side and batting side. Sri Lanka team set a target of 171 runs in today match. This target was not satisfying and hope for winning. In past game, Sri Lanka beat by India team and entire team dismissed at 55 runs only now they dismissed at 171 runs. D.Conway scored 45 runs in 42 balls and he hitted nine 4s. D.Mitchell scored 42 runs in 35 balls and he hitted five 4s and two 6s. In Sri Lankan bowler T.Boult collected 3 wickets of New Zealand team with 10 overs and 37 runs. Now I am waiting for Pakistan match with opponent or England team.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on November 09, 2023, 10:40:31 AM

New Zealand had a chance today to stay in contention for the semifinals but New Zealand failed there. New Zealand picked up the first nine wickets very quickly but New Zealand had to wait a long time to pick up the last wicket due to which Sri Lanka's first innings collection went from embarrassing to good. The target for New Zealand was that if they could secure victory against Sri Lanka in twenty overs with the fall of fewer wickets, Pakistan would need to win by a minimum margin of 300 runs against England to progress to the next round. Beating England by 300 runs was impossible for Pakistan to catch so definitely New Zealand would have played the semi-final but New Zealand couldn't do it. Batting 23 overs secured a 5 wicket win against Sri Lanka due to which their net run rate is not very comfortable. If Pakistan can beat England by a big margin in the next match, then Pakistan will make a great chance to play in the semi-finals.

Today match new Zealand can 172 run in target. New Zealand batsman can complete this target. New Zealand batsman makes 172 run in 24 over. This is very easy target for new Zealand. New Zealand batsman played this match struggle and effort. And neither did the Sri Lanka batsmen show any struggle and hard work. Not only did Sri Lanka lose this match, but Pakistan hopes were also dashed.New Zealand batsman and bowler played very well. New Zealand batsman match won very happy.And gave Sri Lanka a huge defeat.The New Zealand batsmen completed their task very quickly and knocked them out of the match.

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Quote from: BALIK on November 09, 2023, 11:29:21 AM

New Zealand won the first few matches by big margins. And despite losing four matches in a row, we saw good performances from almost every New Zealand batsman. Due to this, the New Zealand team was much ahead in net run rate. And in today's match too, New Zealand reached the target of victory in just 23.2 overs against Sri Lanka. Sri Lankan batsmen batted like fools today. I don't see any tendency in the Sri Lankan batsmen to win this match. Sri Lanka's top order players needed to bat more responsibly. Had the match been competitive, Pakistan would still have had a chance of qualifying for the semi-finals.

What do you expect from Sri Lanka. In another 5 years or so, it will be really difficult for Sri Lanka to justify their full member status. After the retirement of their star players such as Dilshan and Malinga, Sri Lanka has been on a downward spiral. Even Angelo Mathews is nearing retirement. There are some promising players such as Hasaranga, Pathirana and Theekshana still representing Sri Lanka, but they have been very inconsistent. Hard luck for Pakistan. They wanted Sri Lanka to win, but that never happened.

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Today it is the 39 match of ICC world cup. It is between Sri Lanka and new Zealand match. Sri Lanka win is very important for Pakistan.If Sri Lanka defeats New Zealand, then Pakistan will be replaced in the semi-finals. Pakistan has full hope on Sri Lanka.That they will take Pakistan to the semi-finals.New Zealand lose for Sri Lanka very important of Pakistan team. Sri Lanka batsmen will have to struggle and work hard in today's match.If New Zealand wins this match, Pakistan will have to play with the run rate to win the match.And it will be very difficult for Pakistan.

Not only for Pakistan. This match is important for Bangladesh as well. While Pakistan will support Sri Lanka today because they want to qualify for the semi-final, Bangladesh looking at the match result because If New Zealand wins the match against Sri Lanka, the equation for Bangladesh to play the Champions Trophy will be easier. But If Sri Lanka wins the match today, Bangladesh have to win the next match Against Australia which is almost impossible for them. So a lot of equations in this game. Also, it's a must win game for New Zealand to qualify for the Semi Finals.

I think Bangladesh team will not need to take any more pressure with Champions Trophy game, because I think New Zealand team will win very easily today. I was a bit worried about the New Zealand team as they were losing continuously in the last four matches. Anyway my apprehension was cleared soon after the bowling innings of the New Zealand team.
After 12.2 over New Zealand team scored 86 run and they lose their first wicket. New Zealand might not have taken this wicket if Conway had dealt with the ball more slowly trying not to hit a boundary. However, I think there is no problem if the New Zealand team plays a bit slower. Because the target is not too big and the required run rate is within reach. I feel that New Zealand will lose two more wickets before touching the target.

Although New Zealand have lost their last four matches, they are far ahead in the points table as they have played well in the early stages. Meanwhile, Sri Lanka's previous performance was very poor. Sri Lanka played 46.4 overs in today's match but they couldn't go ahead in terms of runs and gave New Zealand a target of just 171 runs so New Zealand got a good chance and won the match easily because the target of 171 runs can be achieved in a T20 match so this target is very easy for ODI match. So New Zealand won the match very easily

New Zealand won the first few matches by big margins. And despite losing four matches in a row, we saw good performances from almost every New Zealand batsman. Due to this, the New Zealand team was much ahead in net run rate. And in today's match too, New Zealand reached the target of victory in just 23.2 overs against Sri Lanka. Sri Lankan batsmen batted like fools today. I don't see any tendency in the Sri Lankan batsmen to win this match. Sri Lanka's top order players needed to bat more responsibly. Had the match been competitive, Pakistan would still have had a chance of qualifying for the semi-finals.

op You are right today's match was a very important match for both Sri Lanka and New Zealand. But the Sri Lankan batsmen did not perform well due to which they lost by a huge margin against New Zealand today. With this loss, their Champions Trophy run came to an end. But if the match had been a bit tighter then maybe it would have been easier for Pakistan to play the semi-final. Now Pakistan has to match the equation to play semi-final. If Pakistan bat first they need to score 300 plus runs England need to be all out within 100 runs. And if Pakistan gets to bowl first then England have to be all out within 100 runs and Pakistan have to complete the match in 2.5 overs.

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Quote from: synchronym on November 09, 2023, 10:27:29 AM

When New Zealand won the toss and decided to field, at first I thought that maybe it was because of the bad weather that the New Zealand captain took this decision. That is because New Zealand scored 401 runs against Pakistan but Pakistan won the match due to rain. This may be the main reason why the New Zealand captain decided to field to win the toss today. After bowling out Sri Lanka for 171, I might have thought that if New Zealand were to bat, two wickets would be the maximum they could take. But New Zealand's target of 172 runs required them to lose five wickets to win.

New Zealand have chased down the 172/5 target in just 24th overs and New Zealand are almost qualify for the Semifinal of world cup, they have 10 points and positive 0.74 run rate. i think New Zealand are going to face India in the semifinal because india are top of the points table and New Zealand is fouth position on points table of world cup. and i can say one more thing Pakistan and Afghanistan are unofficially out of the world cup 2023.

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Today it is the 39 match of ICC world cup. It is between Sri Lanka and new Zealand match. Sri Lanka win is very important for Pakistan.If Sri Lanka defeats New Zealand, then Pakistan will be replaced in the semi-finals. Pakistan has full hope on Sri Lanka.That they will take Pakistan to the semi-finals.New Zealand lose for Sri Lanka very important of Pakistan team. Sri Lanka batsmen will have to struggle and work hard in today's match.If New Zealand wins this match, Pakistan will have to play with the run rate to win the match.And it will be very difficult for Pakistan.

Not only for Pakistan. This match is important for Bangladesh as well. While Pakistan will support Sri Lanka today because they want to qualify for the semi-final, Bangladesh looking at the match result because If New Zealand wins the match against Sri Lanka, the equation for Bangladesh to play the Champions Trophy will be easier. But If Sri Lanka wins the match today, Bangladesh have to win the next match Against Australia which is almost impossible for them. So a lot of equations in this game. Also, it's a must win game for New Zealand to qualify for the Semi Finals.

I think Bangladesh team will not need to take any more pressure with Champions Trophy game, because I think New Zealand team will win very easily today. I was a bit worried about the New Zealand team as they were losing continuously in the last four matches. Anyway my apprehension was cleared soon after the bowling innings of the New Zealand team.
After 12.2 over New Zealand team scored 86 run and they lose their first wicket. New Zealand might not have taken this wicket if Conway had dealt with the ball more slowly trying not to hit a boundary. However, I think there is no problem if the New Zealand team plays a bit slower. Because the target is not too big and the required run rate is within reach. I feel that New Zealand will lose two more wickets before touching the target.

Although New Zealand have lost their last four matches, they are far ahead in the points table as they have played well in the early stages. Meanwhile, Sri Lanka's previous performance was very poor. Sri Lanka played 46.4 overs in today's match but they couldn't go ahead in terms of runs and gave New Zealand a target of just 171 runs so New Zealand got a good chance and won the match easily because the target of 171 runs can be achieved in a T20 match so this target is very easy for ODI match. So New Zealand won the match very easily

New Zealand won the first few matches by big margins. And despite losing four matches in a row, we saw good performances from almost every New Zealand batsman. Due to this, the New Zealand team was much ahead in net run rate. And in today's match too, New Zealand reached the target of victory in just 23.2 overs against Sri Lanka. Sri Lankan batsmen batted like fools today. I don't see any tendency in the Sri Lankan batsmen to win this match. Sri Lanka's top order players needed to bat more responsibly. Had the match been competitive, Pakistan would still have had a chance of qualifying for the semi-finals.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 09, 2023, 10:57:47 AM

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New Zealand had a chance today to stay in contention for the semifinals but New Zealand failed there. New Zealand picked up the first nine wickets very quickly but New Zealand had to wait a long time to pick up the last wicket due to which Sri Lanka's first innings collection went from embarrassing to good. The target for New Zealand was that if they could secure victory against Sri Lanka in twenty overs with the fall of fewer wickets, Pakistan would need to win by a minimum margin of 300 runs against England to progress to the next round. Beating England by 300 runs was impossible for Pakistan to catch so definitely New Zealand would have played the semi-final but New Zealand couldn't do it. Batting 23 overs secured a 5 wicket win against Sri Lanka due to which their net run rate is not very comfortable. If Pakistan can beat England by a big margin in the next match, then Pakistan will make a great chance to play in the semi-finals.

Beating England by 300 runs is an impossible task for Pakistan. While it's feasible for Pakistan to score 500 and restrict England to 211, the scenario is only applicable if Pakistan wins the toss. If England wins the toss and elects to bat first, the situation changes.

In my opinion, New Zealand will likely progress, and they should focus on their next match.

Is it possible to create such a gap for Pakistan? Although we often hear in cricket, things happen in cricket that are beyond expectations. England's condition is very bad in this tournament but even if Pakistan has a chance to win by making such a big margin, it is almost impossible. We can say England is bad team in this session but they will not perform badly. So New Zealand will definitely be ahead in the last four. Moreover, New Zealand's early performances in some of the matches have been good and they will surely be able to keep up a competitive match against other opponents.

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