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2. Be harsh about it, force them to quit, let them know that gambling isn't this safe, bounce on them all the time because you love them, don't go any soft on them, because been soft won't make them see reasons why it's bad to be a gambling addict.

There are a lot of options you can do but not this. Forcing a person to quit gambling where they are addicted will never make you achieve the goal of stopping them. There should be the right process to conduct to make them stop without forcing them. The right thing to do is to help them by making them realize the important things they need to do or prioritize instead of spending all their time being addicted to gambling. Forcing them will only make them think to spend more time gambling and make them more addicted than their current situation until they are no longer able to help.

Making someone quit? Thats not the solution, its a recipe for disaster. We understand addiction's mechanism, right? The why, not the gambling, matters. You believe pulling them away from the tables helps, but you're actually driving them deeper into the abyss. They need to realize the repercussions of their behavior, but they also need a hand to draw them back, not a push down the rabbit hole.

Show them what they're missing and sacrificing. Relationships, health, future. This is about life choices, not gambling. One can lead a horse to water, but not make it drink. The same applies. Tools, help, and alternatives are available, but true change? From within. They must want it and understand the stakes. You should focus on that, pal.

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I'd choose number 3.

3. Move to a new house and cut off the relationship with him.

It's really dangerous to live with a gambling addict, if he's taking out a loan and can't repay it, the debt collectors aren't only force him to pay off the loan, but the family also get charged too. Imagine you've work so hard, learning everyday, and have invest a lot, but there's a day the debt collector force you to pay off the loan even though you did nothing.

What if it was your own house, would you buy a new house only to leave your house and be left with a gambler who could sell your house because you are still related, unless you directly take action as discussed in the thread, yes even if there is It's true that we can get away from him by avoiding him, but he is part of the family, it's best if we can help him get out of his gambling addiction. I'm sure that with gentle methods, gambling addicts can be cured even though it takes a lot of time.

There are so many gambling addicts who can be cured in the right and appropriate way, therefore it is not the right way for us to move house if in the end we can use the right way to cure our family who are addicted to gambling, the point is don't be too uncaring about our family, even though he is a gambler or has made a mistake, he is still part of our family, we should carry out our duty to make him better and aware of his mistakes, that gambling will not be fun in the end, I am sure of That kind of gentle way of advising had helped him become better.

I agree,what if you are the owner of the house? Are you the one who will adjust just so you can no longer be with the person you want to cut out of your life? It seems like it's better if we don't go through the cut off thing right away, especially if we can go through it in a proper way like helping that person overcome whatever he's going through. In this day, It's easy for us to cut off people around us, especially relatives or family members, but let's also think that somehow you have something good together. Let's understand and help if necessary, it's not bad to help especially if we see improvement and willingness of that person to overcome whatever he is suffering.

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Quote from: Solosanz on February 17, 2024, 06:47:23 AM

I'd choose number 3.

3. Move to a new house and cut off the relationship with him.

It's really dangerous to live with a gambling addict, if he's taking out a loan and can't repay it, the debt collectors aren't only force him to pay off the loan, but the family also get charged too. Imagine you've work so hard, learning everyday, and have invest a lot, but there's a day the debt collector force you to pay off the loan even though you did nothing.

What if it was your own house, would you buy a new house only to leave your house and be left with a gambler who could sell your house because you are still related, unless you directly take action as discussed in the thread, yes even if there is It's true that we can get away from him by avoiding him, but he is part of the family, it's best if we can help him get out of his gambling addiction. I'm sure that with gentle methods, gambling addicts can be cured even though it takes a lot of time.

There are so many gambling addicts who can be cured in the right and appropriate way, therefore it is not the right way for us to move house if in the end we can use the right way to cure our family who are addicted to gambling, the point is don't be too uncaring about our family, even though he is a gambler or has made a mistake, he is still part of our family, we should carry out our duty to make him better and aware of his mistakes, that gambling will not be fun in the end, I am sure of That kind of gentle way of advising had helped him become better.

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I'd choose number 3.

3. Move to a new house and cut off the relationship with him.

It's really dangerous to live with a gambling addict, if he's taking out a loan and can't repay it, the debt collectors aren't only force him to pay off the loan, but the family also get charged too. Imagine you've work so hard, learning everyday, and have invest a lot, but there's a day the debt collector force you to pay off the loan even though you did nothing.

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Quote from: Outhue on January 30, 2024, 05:20:31 AM

2. Be harsh about it, force them to quit, let them know that gambling isn't this safe, bounce on them all the time because you love them, don't go any soft on them, because been soft won't make them see reasons why it's bad to be a gambling addict.

There are a lot of options you can do but not this. Forcing a person to quit gambling where they are addicted will never make you achieve the goal of stopping them. There should be the right process to conduct to make them stop without forcing them. The right thing to do is to help them by making them realize the important things they need to do or prioritize instead of spending all their time being addicted to gambling. Forcing them will only make them think to spend more time gambling and make them more addicted than their current situation until they are no longer able to help.

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Quote from: junder on February 17, 2024, 05:40:25 AM

Quote from: Mia Chloe on February 16, 2024, 01:12:23 PM

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yes that's right, to help or make them realize their gambling addiction there are indeed many ways, including as you said by showing love and affection to them, that's right. but what must be considered is that someone who is addicted to gambling they can be from someone who tends to be more stubborn, therefore they will not easily accept input, advice from others even with their own family. because with them addicted to gambling they only think about gambling and how they can make money to gamble.

We have to be patient with someone who is addicted to gambling, because in reality they (gambling addicts) often disappoint their loved ones and the people around them. And it is not easy for a gambling addict to accept the advice we try to give him. Because what he is looking for is not the truth, but justification for his bad actions in gambling. Sometimes they like to distort the true facts and continue to maintain their bad behavior. So when we are not patient enough to face it, maybe everything will end in dispute.

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If indeed to be able to help them realize I think it can be by letting them until they themselves experience one thing that really slaps their awareness. because I myself advised someone who was so addicted that he dared to use the money of the shop where he worked that he was tired of advising him because it was like that someone who was addicted would not easily accept advice from others, so therefore I was better off letting him as long as it didn't harm me.

Don't let things get worse, if we can prevent it why not do it. Even though gambling addicts often disappoint the people around them, to be aware of their bad behavior and the various losses they experience, they really need the role of someone who continues to motivate them and help them to recover from their addiction. .

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on February 16, 2024, 01:12:23 PM

It may seem like there are a lot of very easy ways to go about helping gambling addicts but the truth is it is not as easy as we sometimes see it especially in cases where the addict in question is too much of a core one. However I believe the best way to go about it is to show them love and compassion. Like I said earlier the reason why pulling an addict out of addiction using compassion is difficult is because you have to be kind to them irrespective of the emotional stress and pain they have put you through as a family member and definitely as humana , sharing love when we are hurting is something that I would classify as Divine.
Addicts cause alot of emotional hurt to family members and the biggest problem is they most times don't realize it until it is far too late.

yes that's right, to help or make them realize their gambling addiction there are indeed many ways, including as you said by showing love and affection to them, that's right. but what must be considered is that someone who is addicted to gambling they can be from someone who tends to be more stubborn, therefore they will not easily accept input, advice from others even with their own family. because with them addicted to gambling they only think about gambling and how they can make money to gamble.

If indeed to be able to help them realize I think it can be by letting them until they themselves experience one thing that really slaps their awareness. because I myself advised someone who was so addicted that he dared to use the money of the shop where he worked that he was tired of advising him because it was like that someone who was addicted would not easily accept advice from others, so therefore I was better off letting him as long as it didn't harm me.

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Quote from: mak013 on February 17, 2024, 04:53:02 AM

Do you think that giving money and talking with gambling addict will be more useful? If someone ill we call doctor and the treatment mostly at least unpleasant but we have to suffer a bit to get result and become healthy. Why do think that such way is ineffective? The same decision for the same problems.

Going hard on a gambling addict will only make things worse. This is where a whole lot of people get it wrong. If you isolate yourself from an addict that loves you they will be hurt more and sometimes become idle which can even make them become more inclined in wrong gambling activities and practices. Yes it is easier to abandon them than help them but if we really love someone that is caught up in addiction we will definitely find a way to help them out of it.
And of course helping them out by talking to them and Expressing the hurt they cause you is difficult but it is worth helping them also out of an Addiction.

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Living with a gambling addict can be frustrating however a lot of persons actually make the mistake of being hard on them and trying to isolate themselves from them. However it isn't supposed to be so. Of course addiction is a bad thing but love and compassion overtime helps gambling addicts get over their addictions.

It can also be very challenging to try to draw an addict close to yourself but trust me it is the best thing to do as pushing them away makes them feel more lonely and having reasons to gamble more often than normal which not good for their wellbeing.

Of course all cases are different, but i`m sure that love and compassion are the worst thing we can give the gambling addict in the start. First of all he must understand that he made his life awful himself and decide to change his life himself. Only after it we can give him some love. But we must be careful with love - it can destroy all the results.

Being harsh to a gambling addict will only inflict pain on both the loved ones and the addict. Staying caring and lovely with the addicted person helps to bring back the thoughts of the gambler to feel as though human and try to interact politely with people around him. I understand that we are not the cause of the addicted person's problem. But it's fine to say that gambling addiction takes a long time to heal and not everyone would be able to get hold of being kind for that long without losing it. Whatever method a person, loved one, or friend, wants to apply on his addicted friend, being harsh should be a part of it. They are only humans like us, and when they get better the person can be aggressive in the sense that when he was down bad for help, nobody, not even his close friends and family stood there for him. Instead, they applied a harsh method on him. Those attitudes will register on his brain. And he'll never suffer addiction forever. So, how good you treat them matters, because they'll remember it when their mental health gets better.

Punishing a gambler is ineffective. Like you, I value compassion and understanding. Both the addict and their support network are on a journey. Keep in mind the narrow line between support and enabling. I think balance is key. Being kind doesnt imply ignoring bad behavior. Be there, support without judgment, and encourage accountability.

I understand how difficult it is to stay compassionate. Frustration and overwhelm are normal. But thats when support really matters, I say. Set boundaries to safeguard the addict and their family. Supporting pleasurable gambling within limitations emphasizes addiction's complexity. Not vilifying gambling, but encouraging responsible fun. Our treatment of the needy shows our humanity. Every positive connection gives hope in recovery, which is a marathon.

Do you think that giving money and talking with gambling addict will be more useful? If someone ill we call doctor and the treatment mostly at least unpleasant but we have to suffer a bit to get result and become healthy. Why do think that such way is ineffective? The same decision for the same problems.

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Quote from: retreat on February 16, 2024, 01:54:28 AM

What gambling addicts need is a personal approach that is relaxed and does not corner them. Because if you force a gambling addict to stop gambling in a harsh way, they will fight you and might leave the house. So a personal approach is probably the best way to convince gambling addicts to stop gambling. But if that method doesn't work, maybe the second method can be used.

You're correct and also taking the addicted individual to see a profession that's incharge of helping addicts overcome their problem will be good. Fighting or being harsh to a gambling addict wouldn't help in any way as they'll be defensive instead of listening to what you're telling them. Gambling addict don't see it like they're doing anything wrong therefore when you talk with them you have to be very friendly. Family members that they love can also help in this situation to talk to them.

Also don't just talk and leave the gambling addict to figure out things by himself, many individuals are addicted due to them not having a good source of income that they can use for feeding therefore if you can provide a good source of income that they can use to be getting money to take care of their needs, it'll help in making them to stop gambling or reduce the amount of money and time they use for gamble.

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according to the character of the gambling addict, if he is a member of your family of course you already understand his character so you know better which effective way to do it, but in my opinion it is better to use the gentle method first but if you can't use the hard method

If the addicted ones would really be just that inside the family then of course you do really know about its behavior or simply its character on which you would be able to assess whether you would really be taking that harsh approach or would really be sticking into that gentle one but just like been said that it would really be always best that you should really be starting with the gentle one on which you could really be able to make yourself that at least make that someone cant be able to feel that they are really that been choked out or something that been scolded because we know that once an addicted person would be having those kind of impressions then situations might come worst because they might be ending up on playing up more and something that cant be stopped. If things cant be fight off with advises then this is where professional
seek of help would really be that recommended.

Addicted person most of the time has been uncontrollable, if that person is engage in gambling that deep the need of professional is the only hope, there are treatment and approaches that those professional can provide to lessen and probably to make it happen to stop the addiction, not hard and most of the time expensive as there are activities and diets that needed to established to prevent the brain to think about gambling.

Though, all will depends from how the person's self-will and how he will adopt, his willingness is the key factor to success.

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If someone who is addicted is someone in my family, at most I just reprimand him in a normal tone, not harshly, because after all, I don't dare to be rude, even though I also care about him, being rude actually makes the addict more challenged to continue gambling, whereas reprimanding and advising him with Being gentle can make addicts think realistically over time and can change their lives slowly, but this depends on the gambler's own thoughts. If they have the intention to stop and ask for help from their family, I think this can be handled quickly because as a family they will definitely be very supportive of anything. the best for fellow family members.

But if the addict has become rude and arrogant maybe I will also be rude in reminding him, even if it is family, because sometimes addiction can lead to violence, whether towards family or friends, if they experience continuous defeat, they are not easily advised in a gentle way because the addiction has taken over the brain they.

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I am also a gambler, only I am not a gambling addict. And as a gambler, it is quite difficult to make someone aware of an addiction, even if the addict is our relative. because we are in the same position as a gambler, what I imagined when I tried to make him aware of his bad behavior, what would happen would be that the addict would continue to distort the facts and truths that I conveyed. So it seems like it would be better if the person who made him aware was someone who had never been involved in gambling, someone he really cared about or someone he really respected. because when someone he loves gives advice, he will voluntarily accept the advice. And when the advice is given by someone he really respects, he will inevitably accept the advice. For the first time, advice must be conveyed with gentle words, but when gentle words still cannot make him come to his senses, then using harsh words becomes the second option.

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Quote from: asyakashi on February 16, 2024, 01:18:20 PM

according to the character of the gambling addict, if he is a member of your family of course you already understand his character so you know better which effective way to do it, but in my opinion it is better to use the gentle method first but if you can't use the hard method

If the addicted ones would really be just that inside the family then of course you do really know about its behavior or simply its character on which you would be able to assess whether you would really be taking that harsh approach or would really be sticking into that gentle one but just like been said that it would really be always best that you should really be starting with the gentle one on which you could really be able to make yourself that at least make that someone cant be able to feel that they are really that been choked out or something that been scolded because we know that once an addicted person would be having those kind of impressions then situations might come worst because they might be ending up on playing up more and something that cant be stopped. If things cant be fight off with advises then this is where professional
seek of help would really be that recommended.

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according to the character of the gambling addict, if he is a member of your family of course you already understand his character so you know better which effective way to do it, but in my opinion it is better to use the gentle method first but if you can't use the hard method

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It may seem like there are a lot of very easy ways to go about helping gambling addicts but the truth is it is not as easy as we sometimes see it especially in cases where the addict in question is too much of a core one. However I believe the best way to go about it is to show them love and compassion. Like I said earlier the reason why pulling an addict out of addiction using compassion is difficult is because you have to be kind to them irrespective of the emotional stress and pain they have put you through as a family member and definitely as humana , sharing love when we are hurting is something that I would classify as Divine.
Addicts cause alot of emotional hurt to family members and the biggest problem is they most times don't realize it until it is far too late.

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Quote from: Accardo on February 15, 2024, 03:05:25 AM

Quote from: mak013 on February 15, 2024, 12:29:13 AM

Quote from: Mia Chloe on February 14, 2024, 04:35:13 PM

Living with a gambling addict can be frustrating however a lot of persons actually make the mistake of being hard on them and trying to isolate themselves from them. However it isn't supposed to be so. Of course addiction is a bad thing but love and compassion overtime helps gambling addicts get over their addictions.

It can also be very challenging to try to draw an addict close to yourself but trust me it is the best thing to do as pushing them away makes them feel more lonely and having reasons to gamble more often than normal which not good for their wellbeing.

Of course all cases are different, but i`m sure that love and compassion are the worst thing we can give the gambling addict in the start. First of all he must understand that he made his life awful himself and decide to change his life himself. Only after it we can give him some love. But we must be careful with love - it can destroy all the results.

Being harsh to a gambling addict will only inflict pain on both the loved ones and the addict. Staying caring and lovely with the addicted person helps to bring back the thoughts of the gambler to feel as though human and try to interact politely with people around him. I understand that we are not the cause of the addicted person's problem. But it's fine to say that gambling addiction takes a long time to heal and not everyone would be able to get hold of being kind for that long without losing it. Whatever method a person, loved one, or friend, wants to apply on his addicted friend, being harsh should be a part of it. They are only humans like us, and when they get better the person can be aggressive in the sense that when he was down bad for help, nobody, not even his close friends and family stood there for him. Instead, they applied a harsh method on him. Those attitudes will register on his brain. And he'll never suffer addiction forever. So, how good you treat them matters, because they'll remember it when their mental health gets better.

Punishing a gambler is ineffective. Like you, I value compassion and understanding. Both the addict and their support network are on a journey. Keep in mind the narrow line between support and enabling. I think balance is key. Being kind doesnt imply ignoring bad behavior. Be there, support without judgment, and encourage accountability.

I understand how difficult it is to stay compassionate. Frustration and overwhelm are normal. But thats when support really matters, I say. Set boundaries to safeguard the addict and their family. Supporting pleasurable gambling within limitations emphasizes addiction's complexity. Not vilifying gambling, but encouraging responsible fun. Our treatment of the needy shows our humanity. Every positive connection gives hope in recovery, which is a marathon.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on February 16, 2024, 03:40:29 AM

It's different when we talk to our family members or loved ones properly because we are the family and bloodline where no one else will help us but we are family, right? Correctly reminding a gambling addict means showing genuine concern for him.

And above all, don't get tired of reminding him about the things he is passionate about that have caused bad things in his personality that have affected not only himself but also those close to him.

If the gambling addict is a member of our family, we must be able to show that we sincerely want to help him get out of his gambling addiction so that they can see that other family members still care about him and will want to help him. The gambling addict will not feel that he is alone in going through everything because other family members always provide support and will even accompany him in his healing process.

By having sincere feelings for the gambling addict, he will begin to open up to his family members and ask them for help in solving his problem. The addict can still cure his gambling addiction with the help and support of other family members.

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It's different when we talk to our family members or loved ones properly because we are the family and bloodline where no one else will help us but we are family, right? Correctly reminding a gambling addict means showing genuine concern for him.

And above all, don't get tired of reminding him about the things he is passionate about that have caused bad things in his personality that have affected not only himself but also those close to him.

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Quote from: Accardo on February 15, 2024, 03:05:25 AM

Quote from: mak013 on February 15, 2024, 12:29:13 AM

Of course all cases are different, but i`m sure that love and compassion are the worst thing we can give the gambling addict in the start. First of all he must understand that he made his life awful himself and decide to change his life himself. Only after it we can give him some love. But we must be careful with love - it can destroy all the results.

Being harsh to a gambling addict will only inflict pain on both the loved ones and the addict. Staying caring and lovely with the addicted person helps to bring back the thoughts of the gambler to feel as though human and try to interact politely with people around him. I understand that we are not the cause of the addicted person's problem. But it's fine to say that gambling addiction takes a long time to heal and not everyone would be able to get hold of being kind for that long without losing it. Whatever method a person, loved one, or friend, wants to apply on his addicted friend, being harsh should be a part of it. They are only humans like us, and when they get better the person can be aggressive in the sense that when he was down bad for help, nobody, not even his close friends and family stood there for him. Instead, they applied a harsh method on him. Those attitudes will register on his brain. And he'll never suffer addiction forever. So, how good you treat them matters, because they'll remember it when their mental health gets better.

I don`t sure that it can help. I would prefer to get result. And if the result would be - stop gambling, i don`t cares about his mental health. He change his life, it anyway hurts, but without addiction he has lots of opportunities to get a success and be happy. He`ll get lots of positive from the people around him and it would be enough to heal his mental health.

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