Topic: Innosilicon A5 DashMaster 30.2G 750W - page 21. (Read 55224 times)

Thought I would bring this up here.
At current difficulty rate, it is more profitable to mine BTC using an Antminer S9 than it is to mine Dash using an Antminer D3.
That just goes to show how fast the mining difficulty of Dash has skyrocketed.
It also goes to show that only the most efficient survive.

When the A5 starts to equal to profit margins of the Antminer S9, the D3 will be obsolete.

Of course when that happens, the A5 will only be making ~$11 USD a day.. which will not help on the ROI given the price point.  

The A5 is more efficient than the D3. And yes, that does matter. I don't understand what you are asking.

You are correct, but lesser electricity price is for a particular miner, then lesser power efficiency of A5 over D3  matters, doesn't it?

How is the market caps between the Sha256 and X11 coin algorithms relevant in determining profitability?

compare the market-caps of Sha256 and X11 and the potential of these x11-coins - i don't think a comparison is realistic.

I don't know What the 24.83 or 80 numbers represent, but yeah inno is still much more efficient. I don't agree that X11 mining is burnt. It would be, only if some manufacturer releases something more efficient than the A5, but if not, then I can see it still being profitable (if you can reach ROI in a a year or two with the A5... but that might be asking too much)

Think of how long the S9 has been out, and it's still the most powerful. There were a lot of people complaining about it's price point when it was first released.. even though it was only 1/4 of the price of the inno...

If the A5 remains on top for a while, I think it's still profitable in the long run.

When looking into mining, miner efficiency is the most important aspect

By efficiency I mean power to hash

A5 efficiency = 24.83
D3 efficiency = 80.00

A5 is the clear winner, almost 3 times more efficient, because it has a lower bottom line

In other words, running D3s will start making a loss while the A5s will still be profitable, forcing D3s to shut down cuz no one mines to make a loss 

BITMAIN apparently saw this coming and responded by focusing on and flooding the market with D3s (unbelievable increase in difficulty is proof) before the A5 could even come to market to damage Innosilicon's chance in making large profits selling at 10k when it doesnt cost anything even near that to make, and also to protect themselves from making a huge loss since no one would order miners that show a loss at coinwarz

On the other hand, with the 10k price tag and increasing difficulty, ROI for the A5s will take decades, and the miner might break down and/or more efficient miners will be introduced making it impossible to ever get your capital back

Therefore, Don't touch neither, X11 mining is burnt

If you already did like me, then your just gona have to ride it out

How did you come up with that number ?
If we are very positive and assume that the difficulty will stay as it is and calculate with todays value we have:
$32 Profit per day (given 10 cents electricty-rate)
Now let's say you bought that thing for the cheaper price of 8.500 USD
In that fantasy-scenario you would need 265 days to ROI.
Remember: for that to come true you must also become a super-villian who destroys all asic-producers AND all miners currently being shipped or sitting on ebay.

Yes.. but then the electricity cost would be about $8,500 a year, and you would need to have the power hookup to support 8400 watts.

Also, as the mining difficulty of Dash mining goes up, and the cost of power starts to equal close to the same amount as the Dash that has been mined, then you would be forced to shut down because there is more efficient mining equipment being run that are most efficient and draw less power.

Don't forget that efficiency (J/GHs) is everything in mining. Looking at GHs alone without considering the power consumption would be a gross negligence. Max GHs is only profitable when the mining difficulty has not caught up, as soon as everybody joins in, then it's a game of efficiency.

Don't get me wrong, I know that people who bought the A5 might not ever get their RIO, but I also believe that if that is the case, then anybody who bought the Antminer D3 that doesn't get in early enough will have even less of a chance.

The bottom line is that profiting off of an Antminer D3 means that you were able to plug it in and run it before the difficulty got to high. As soon as that happens (and it will happen because only the most efficient survive) then it's game over and either you came out a winner or a looser.

Profiting off of an Innosilicon A5 means that you were able to run it for over a year without competing with a more efficient miner ( Which does not currently exist, but we will see eventually  )

Currently, there is a better chance of getting a ROI with the D3 because of it's price point and current difficulty rate. Once the Innosilicon A5's take over, it's only a matter of time before it costs more to run the D3 then it makes.

Given the current Dash mining difficulty, it will take around 8 months to break even on the price.
By the time the miner gets here, it will most likely take over a year to break even on the miner cost seeing as the difficulty rate of Dash is still skyrocketing.
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/dash?HashingPower=32000&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=720&CostPerkWh=0.11

True but if 3 machines just paid the power for the group then 4 are left to almost double the A5 returns and the A5 still has to pay for its own power.

The A5 is a day late and a dollar short and insainly overpriced

What is the ROI right now for the DashMaster?
Currently i have it as sub 75 days. 

Once the DashMaster is about to ROI, it will be obsolete with that high price.

But bad side is that it will consume 7 times more power  

You can buy 7 D3s for the price of 1 A5.

38 GH/s(+/-8%, in 1250w overclock mode) - which is even better:   0,0304 !  - this is 4.5 times more efficient.

But $10k price is still TOO high......

Innosilicon just released a video of the Dashmaster A5 (not really in action.. but in physical form at least)
https://youtu.be/9nyIewRpB4U

They state in the video that "32.5Gh is achieved with only 720W in our standard default mode. That is over 3 times more power efficient then competition in market" which is actually true.

Innosilicon:
32.5Gh / 720W = 0.045139Gh/W

Antminer D3:
17Gh / 1200W = 0.0141667Gh/W

If the specs check out then inno might still be profitable as a long term investment where as I see the D3 as a short term ROI then trailing off when the difficulty becomes to high to remain profitable. I mean yeah, the ones who bought the first batch of D3's probably will get their ROI soon already.. but in the end.. only the strongest survive!

Nobody forced customers, they willingly handed over money. Can't fix stupid

ummm 30 percent failure rate... bulllshit lol and you just have two miners collecting dust as spare parts, waste of money. Even if your 30% number was dead on, you would only need one for spare parts not waste money on two, that's expecting 50% failure rate and ignoring they have warranty reapir centers in the U.S. I hate Bitmain as a company but their miners are solid. If you are having them fail so bad you need spares for parts you're doing something wrong. I'd suggest getting it hosted, cheaper electric and onsite repairs, considering you wasted money on two spares you could pay for a couple years hosting at giga watt for that. https://www.gigawatt.sg/shop/?_ga=2.222753371.1956162695.1507928400-132385317.1507928400
Besides Avalon Bitmain are the most reliable Bitcoin miners in the industry. Not sure how you're having such difficulties but they come with warranty and there are repair centers, and if you're ordering some for spare parts you just shouldn't be mining get it hosted and save/make a lot more than keeping 50% extra for spare parts lmao

7nm will take at least Three years. but I want competition.