take some time to be ready as well. While they throw them out like toasters when they can produce them, it takes a wile to develop a new toaster
And everything else must be read to manufacture.
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My comment was targeted towards people writing off bitmain as soon as japan etc. enters the game- i agree that the next generation will
take some time to be ready as well. While they throw them out like toasters when they can produce them, it takes a wile to develop a new toaster
And everything else must be read to manufacture.
take some time to be ready as well. While they throw them out like toasters when they can produce them, it takes a wile to develop a new toaster
And everything else must be read to manufacture.
That was a very good read, thanks. I agree with you!
IMO I would say this is for sure.
Chip manufacturers are saying something like this:
https://www.hpcwire.com/2017/06/13/globalfoundries-7nm-chips-coming-2018-euv-2019
http://www.androidauthority.com/who-will-be-the-first-manufacturer-to-7nm-757916
So how long does it take to develop new ASIC models from these chips may take some time so maybe it will be 2019 until retail level can buy products based on these chips ?!
Hopefully we will see a lot of new ASIC manufacturers popping up -> lower prices and more availability. Maybe new unexpected players from Russia or other countries ?
Do you reckon it is more likely that new ASICs based on 7 nm chips won't reach the markets before second half of 2018?
IMO I would say this is for sure.
Chip manufacturers are saying something like this:
https://www.hpcwire.com/2017/06/13/globalfoundries-7nm-chips-coming-2018-euv-2019
http://www.androidauthority.com/who-will-be-the-first-manufacturer-to-7nm-757916
So how long does it take to develop new ASIC models from these chips may take some time so maybe it will be 2019 until retail level can buy products based on these chips ?!
Hopefully we will see a lot of new ASIC manufacturers popping up -> lower prices and more availability. Maybe new unexpected players from Russia or other countries ?
Do you reckon it is more likely that new ASICs based on 7 nm chips won't reach the markets before second half of 2018?
IMO I would say this is for sure.
Chip manufacturers are saying something like this:
https://www.hpcwire.com/2017/06/13/globalfoundries-7nm-chips-coming-2018-euv-2019
http://www.androidauthority.com/who-will-be-the-first-manufacturer-to-7nm-757916
So how long does it take to develop new ASIC models from these chips may take some time so maybe it will be 2019 until retail level can buy products based on these chips ?!
Hopefully we will see a lot of new ASIC manufacturers popping up -> lower prices and more availability. Maybe new unexpected players from Russia or other countries ?
Do you reckon it is more likely that new ASICs based on 7 nm chips won't reach the markets before second half of 2018?
You can bet your ass on Bitmain not sitting on their hands the whole time...
In the end whoever can go in production first will be leading. Intel has shown that nm is not everything...
The 14NM Intel-chips are as effective as the other 10NM chips are.
In the end whoever can go in production first will be leading. Intel has shown that nm is not everything...
The 14NM Intel-chips are as effective as the other 10NM chips are.
Very well said.
I feel strongly we will hear some news from Bitmain at the beginning of 2018 and would not be surprised to receive some new ASIC versions (maybe not models) even on the first half of 2018.
It will be very interesting next 1-3 years in this battle.
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Innosilicon will be out of this game if they will not lower their pricing to the same level as their competitor. It is bs try to explain the price gap with quality or other nonsense. It is the hashing power per invested dollars which rules only until someone invent something really new in power efficiency.
You can bet your ass on Bitmain not sitting on their hands the whole time.
I would not pronounce them dead or about to loose their almost-monopoly just yet.
These new companies will have to request capacities at TSMC /Globalfoundries once they have their chip ready to put on silicon.
They will not have own fabs. Even Apple and AMD mostly use TSMC, because a FAB costs more than a bilion to build.
In the end whoever can go in production first will be leading. Intel has shown that nm is not everything.
The 14NM Intel-chips are as effective as the other 10NM chips are.
I would not pronounce them dead or about to loose their almost-monopoly just yet.
These new companies will have to request capacities at TSMC /Globalfoundries once they have their chip ready to put on silicon.
They will not have own fabs. Even Apple and AMD mostly use TSMC, because a FAB costs more than a bilion to build.
In the end whoever can go in production first will be leading. Intel has shown that nm is not everything.
The 14NM Intel-chips are as effective as the other 10NM chips are.
It seems that in 2018 we will have Japan and Russia developing ASIC machines: https://news.bitcoin.com/japans-internet-giant-gmo-launching-bitcoin-mining-with-7nm-chips/
With decentralization, Samsung, Intel and just like these big companies will be able to make these chips in bulk ... That would really be wonderful: https://news.bitcoin.com/7nm-asics-will-bring-bitcoin-mining-to-a-whole-new-level/
With decentralization, Samsung, Intel and just like these big companies will be able to make these chips in bulk ... That would really be wonderful: https://news.bitcoin.com/7nm-asics-will-bring-bitcoin-mining-to-a-whole-new-level/
I'd be surprised if they were not off this time Grin
Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?
It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.
Has been few days allready...
yup S9s are quite good if you can keep them from dying lol, best thing. to do is order more than u need keep some in
reseve for the inevetiw faliures , i think they have a 30 percent failuer rate from the older batches, maybe new ones. are better tho, Thats why i ordered six, only needed 4 but two spares
reseve for the inevetiw faliures , i think they have a 30 percent failuer rate from the older batches, maybe new ones. are better tho, Thats why i ordered six, only needed 4 but two spares
With the current price of $1265 where you can (have to) buy by the BTC which you of course have purchased much lower price
it really is a good deal. Just look at it as an investment which will give you a pretty good annual returns.In long term stock market gives you 9% p.a. so from this point of view S9 is way much better vehicle
btw. I recommend you to run all of your units fully and if something goes bad then it goes. You should get better returns by this way.
Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?
It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.
Has been few days allready...
yup S9s are quite good if you can keep them from dying lol, best thing. to do is order more than u need keep some in
reseve for the inevetiw faliures , i think they have a 30 percent failuer rate from the older batches, maybe new ones. are better tho, Thats why i ordered six, only needed 4 but two spares
Can you advise what $/day for Bitcoin cash is now, please ?
It looks like Antminer S9 (the latest 14THs version w/ $0.12/kWh electricity costs) will give you something about $17-19/d.
Has been few days allready...
I got 6 of the D3's for the Nov batch, the ROI is going to go down but I'm praying the price of BTC keeps going up because then ROI is still huge for a payback of at least 3 months and then anything after is just pure profit.
Lucky u. Don't worry. Fluctuations belongs to this game. It wasn't many weeks ago when pure bitcoin mining was somethin $2/day. Now it's $9 and Bitcoin cash (SHA256) much more. Just patience and you will be ok !
I got 6 of the D3's for the Nov batch, the ROI is going to go down but I'm praying the price of BTC keeps going up because then ROI is still huge for a payback of at least 3 months and then anything after is just pure profit.
Lucky u. Don't worry. Fluctuations belongs to this game. It wasn't many weeks ago when pure bitcoin mining was somethin $2/day. Now it's $9 and Bitcoin cash (SHA256) much more. Just patience and you will be ok !
btw. There will be a new difficulty hit nov/dec when the next batch will be activated. But again just patience and it will settle.
Just got an email from Innosilicon letting me know they are delayed by two weeks on the A5 Dashmaster delivery. They said the foundry is at fault and that there will be some reworking required. Sounds like the A4 Dominator fiasco again. I would advise everybody who was thinking about it to NOT buy batch 2.
pity for those who bought, as d3 earnings are decreasing significantly. I also bought a few of D3 but in October delivery. God knows what they will bring 
The price is ridiculous.
I can buy 6 Bitmain's D3 by the same money and will get 100 GH/s hashing power vs. their 37GH/s. This gives me over 2x more profits than with 1xA5.
Only fools will buy these units by this price.
Current earnings with $0.12/kWh are $119/d giving ROI about 3mo. BUT the profits will go down much more until we are in december.
Horrible pricing.
The correct price would been below $5k/unit
I can buy 6 Bitmain's D3 by the same money and will get 100 GH/s hashing power vs. their 37GH/s. This gives me over 2x more profits than with 1xA5.
Only fools will buy these units by this price.
Current earnings with $0.12/kWh are $119/d giving ROI about 3mo. BUT the profits will go down much more until we are in december.
Horrible pricing.
The correct price would been below $5k/unit
I got 6 of the D3's for the Nov batch, the ROI is going to go down but I'm praying the price of BTC keeps going up because then ROI is still huge for a payback of at least 3 months and then anything after is just pure profit.
Fortunately Im not BUT IF I would be their financier/investor I would fire immediately the management team. They have ruined the whole business by selling overpriced promises 
I was hoping so much this product could compete with the Bitmain's products but it badly seems this is not the case. Please Lord prove me wrong
I was hoping so much this product could compete with the Bitmain's products but it badly seems this is not the case. Please Lord prove me wrong
It seems that no one interested in the announcement of the new batch of Inno A5.
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/a5-miner/index.html#Buy
Given that the Dash diff skyrockets, ROI for A5 seems impossible.
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/a5-miner/index.html#Buy
Given that the Dash diff skyrockets, ROI for A5 seems impossible.
Yeah $9999 each is a little crazy. I really hope nobody pays that much for one of them.
My thoughts exactly. There seems to be no good reason for the high price. I shall look forward to buying them at knocked down prices - $2000
Just got an email from Innosilicon letting me know they are delayed by two weeks on the A5 Dashmaster delivery. They said the foundry is at fault and that there will be some reworking required. Sounds like the A4 Dominator fiasco again. I would advise everybody who was thinking about it to NOT buy batch 2.
WOW I was speculating that they would be unable to meet specs. They said 30ghs at 750watts which i thought would be incredible if they could do it. This is good news for D3 owners. A miner running 30gh/s would require a lot more power since it would also require a lot more cooling. Dont know how Innosilicon will meet specs advertised. The worst part is they take all the money upfront and force customers to wait while they experiment with prototypes.
Just got an email from Innosilicon letting me know they are delayed by two weeks on the A5 Dashmaster delivery. They said the foundry is at fault and that there will be some reworking required. Sounds like the A4 Dominator fiasco again. I would advise everybody who was thinking about it to NOT buy batch 2.
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