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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 29, 2022, 06:58:15 AM

There are reports that Donaire will have a special guest in Japan when he goes and fight Inoue, this is according to Rachel's Donaire's social media post.

But everyone is speculating that it will be Casimero who will be in ring side. Not sure what is the intention is, maybe they just want to throw off Inoue as both of them have been trash talking and have been in the radar. Unfortunately, Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler so he lost his belt already. But who knows, maybe he will be next in line for Inoue win or lose against Donaire.

If it is Casimero that would be in the ringside then it would be for Casimero to witness how it will be done (defeating Inoue) lol.

Kidding aside, without the WBO belt on his hand, Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero anymore because the main goal for the Monster is to unify all 4 belts in the bantamweight division so Butler could be next in line for the winner of this Inoue-Donaire fight besides Casimero will be moving up in weight so his presence in Japan is just a mere spectator and might be Rachel will manage his career in the future.

He doesn't have a bargaining power for now, as you have said, no belt so no future fight with him and Inoue. Just sad that he has to rebuild his career again and he is not getting any younger although Nonito proves that you can bounce back even if you are nearing 40 years old.

Let's hear if the Japanese crowd with boo Casimero or if they are aware that Casimero wants to fight their boxer.

That wouldn't happen, Casimero will always be interested in fighting a champion because he knows he did not lose in a fight, so he still thinks that he is a champion. However, for a popular boxer like Inoue, he is not the only one who will decide on who to fight, it's his promoter that arranges the fight and they don't see Casimero as a great opponent for Inoue that could generate good revenue.

Boxing is entertainment, therefore it's mostly about the money it will generate.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 29, 2022, 06:58:15 AM

There are reports that Donaire will have a special guest in Japan when he goes and fight Inoue, this is according to Rachel's Donaire's social media post.

But everyone is speculating that it will be Casimero who will be in ring side. Not sure what is the intention is, maybe they just want to throw off Inoue as both of them have been trash talking and have been in the radar. Unfortunately, Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler so he lost his belt already. But who knows, maybe he will be next in line for Inoue win or lose against Donaire.

If it is Casimero that would be in the ringside then it would be for Casimero to witness how it will be done (defeating Inoue) lol.

Kidding aside, without the WBO belt on his hand, Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero anymore because the main goal for the Monster is to unify all 4 belts in the bantamweight division so Butler could be next in line for the winner of this Inoue-Donaire fight besides Casimero will be moving up in weight so his presence in Japan is just a mere spectator and might be Rachel will manage his career in the future.

He doesn't have a bargaining power for now, as you have said, no belt so no future fight with him and Inoue. Just sad that he has to rebuild his career again and he is not getting any younger although Nonito proves that you can bounce back even if you are nearing 40 years old.

Let's hear if the Japanese crowd with boo Casimero or if they are aware that Casimero wants to fight their boxer.

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There are reports that Donaire will have a special guest in Japan when he goes and fight Inoue, this is according to Rachel's Donaire's social media post.

But everyone is speculating that it will be Casimero who will be in ring side. Not sure what is the intention is, maybe they just want to throw off Inoue as both of them have been trash talking and have been in the radar. Unfortunately, Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler so he lost his belt already. But who knows, maybe he will be next in line for Inoue win or lose against Donaire.

If it is Casimero that would be in the ringside then it would be for Casimero to witness how it will be done (defeating Inoue) lol.

Kidding aside, without the WBO belt on his hand, Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero anymore because the main goal for the Monster is to unify all 4 belts in the bantamweight division so Butler could be next in line for the winner of this Inoue-Donaire fight besides Casimero will be moving up in weight so his presence in Japan is just a mere spectator and might be Rachel will manage his career in the future.

That's correct, Casimero already wasted his opportunity to fight Inoue but let himself get stripped with the belt. He is not in the position to ask for a fight, he better move up and tries to build himself again to be a champion.

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There are reports that Donaire will have a special guest in Japan when he goes and fight Inoue, this is according to Rachel's Donaire's social media post.

But everyone is speculating that it will be Casimero who will be in ring side. Not sure what is the intention is, maybe they just want to throw off Inoue as both of them have been trash talking and have been in the radar. Unfortunately, Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler so he lost his belt already. But who knows, maybe he will be next in line for Inoue win or lose against Donaire.

If it is Casimero that would be in the ringside then it would be for Casimero to witness how it will be done (defeating Inoue) lol.

Kidding aside, without the WBO belt on his hand, Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero anymore because the main goal for the Monster is to unify all 4 belts in the bantamweight division so Butler could be next in line for the winner of this Inoue-Donaire fight besides Casimero will be moving up in weight so his presence in Japan is just a mere spectator and might be Rachel will manage his career in the future.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 27, 2022, 10:45:10 AM

There are reports that Donaire will have a special guest in Japan when he goes and fight Inoue, this is according to Rachel's Donaire's social media post.

But everyone is speculating that it will be Casimero who will be in ring side. Not sure what is the intention is, maybe they just want to throw off Inoue as both of them have been trash talking and have been in the radar. Unfortunately, Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler so he lost his belt already. But who knows, maybe he will be next in line for Inoue win or lose against Donaire.

Not sure if this is a good idea though, yeah they can fly Casimero to watch the fight itself because as you have said, they could potentially fight in the future.

But to throw Inoue out of his fight against Donaire? nah, not gonna happen specially if it is going to be on Inoue's home country. Casimero though should focus more on his career comeback.

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There are reports that Donaire will have a special guest in Japan when he goes and fight Inoue, this is according to Rachel's Donaire's social media post.

But everyone is speculating that it will be Casimero who will be in ring side. Not sure what is the intention is, maybe they just want to throw off Inoue as both of them have been trash talking and have been in the radar. Unfortunately, Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler so he lost his belt already. But who knows, maybe he will be next in line for Inoue win or lose against Donaire.

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Quote from: mirakal on May 27, 2022, 09:32:42 AM

Exactly mate, there's no telling yet if Donaire could really upset the monster of Japan this time in their rematch. I mean if he got some improvements now and he's not like the old Donaire whom Inoue defeated last time then the latter has some improvements too and Inoue's gotten better as he's also not the Inoue whom Donaire have faced before. That's also why Donaire is still the underdog in this bout.

Right! both evolves and even Donaire showcase better strategy and form we don't know how Inoue will prepare for it, we can't say who's going to be in the advantage position here, its boxing and upset is really possible, one careless action can lead to lose the fight. We will see more updates with these two known champs.

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Exactly, that is why Donaire's chances didn't increase that much because his opponent, Inoue have some explosives with him and improvement too. Time has passed and we can't honestly say that there won't be improvements at all especially Inoue who's more younger and versatile. Nonetheless, this will be a nice event to watch as it would be full packed and as of now, betting on Donaire is more profitable.

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Quote from: harizen on May 27, 2022, 06:55:39 PM

To be honest, the thing that entices me to bet on Donaire here is the odds, he is the underdog and I like his odds though his chances are really low IMO. However, since Donaire said he will not be the same in the first fights, that gives me as a bettor some confidence in betting on him.

Donaire saying that he has improved since their last fight is just a promotional thing for me. Even if he has improved, it won't happen overnight, and considering that he has aged that would be hard also for him to change his fighting style. Donaire was doing good in their first fight, it just that the punches he threw were not enough to knock Inoue out.

Same with you, I'm rooting for Donaire because of the odds and of course, he is my compatriot lol.

As the saying goes, you can't teach a old dog a new trick, so maybe Donaire just telling this to hype the fans so that they are eager to see what's Donaire's improved in this second fight.

But as we all know, he has lived with his left hook so this will still be his main weapon against Inoue. Maybe though he has regained his confidence back after losing because he was able to make a huge comeback and win back to back and score a knock out against young fighters.

Yes, he is too old to try some new tricks that doesn't even increases his chances or worse that might be the reason for his 2nd defeat against Inoue. He will just keep on using that same left hand of his because that's already proven and tested throughout his whole career, he can do it with the right timing.

That's the thing that keeps him alive in this industry because he managed to win back to back with a knockout result in the same year, that is also why he is more confident now. Surely, for his age now, that accomplishment means a lot.

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Quote from: agustina2 on May 27, 2022, 06:50:17 PM

Donaire saying that he has improved since their last fight is just a promotional thing for me. Even if he has improved, it won't happen overnight, and considering that he has aged that would be hard also for him to change his fighting style. Donaire was doing good in their first fight, it just that the punches he threw were not enough to knock Inoue out.

If we buy Nonito Donaire's statement, on the other hand, Naoya Inoue is surely improved too. The fact that Inoue already experienced the problems he faced during their first match especially that 2nd-round cut that he receives from Donaire, he will surely do everything not to let allow that to happen again.

I'm sure Inoue already made a strategy for this as he doesn't like to experience again being sent to the hospital because of the heavy damage he received for the first time in his career. With that improve Inoue too, that won't change my mind to still support Donaire.

For a bettor that supports Donaire, it's worth placing a bet for him as we will enjoy the odds provided to him as an underdog.

It's worth if you bet as a fan, even he's the underdog Inoue knows that he can't put his guard down,

any time Donaire can beat him with a lucky opening that he will give, the combinations that Donaire shows from his last

fight seems to be deadlier.

Though adjustments are on both sides, we will see if there's surprise / upset that might happen at the end of the fight.

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Quote from: Jating on May 27, 2022, 04:52:07 PM

But as we all know, he has lived with his left hook so this will still be his main weapon against Inoue. Maybe though he has regained his confidence back after losing because he was able to make a huge comeback and win back to back and score a knock out against young fighters.

Those two wins that Donaire established after losing to Inoue play a big reason why he got his confidence back. If he loses even at one of those previous fights, there will be no chance for an Inoue rematch. Even if we can't compare the strength of those previous boxers that Donaire beat to Inoue, it's a good reference that Donaire still has it.

Looking forward to our Donaire winning. We know the big difference between them but upset always has a chance to happen.

Right, it boosted his confidence again, and that's why the promoters are also willing to put him in line with Inoue because of that big win, knocking out Oubaali and then Gaballo respectively.

As far as improvement goes, Donaire has the perfect plan in their first fight, it's that the is hesitant in the beginning that's why Inoue has built a good lead from him. Maybe in the second fight, he will come out the aggressor.

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Quote from: Jating on May 27, 2022, 04:52:07 PM

Donaire saying that he has improved since their last fight is just a promotional thing for me. Even if he has improved, it won't happen overnight, and considering that he has aged that would be hard also for him to change his fighting style. Donaire was doing good in their first fight, it just that the punches he threw were not enough to knock Inoue out.

If we buy Nonito Donaire's statement, on the other hand, Naoya Inoue is surely improved too. The fact that Inoue already experienced the problems he faced during their first match especially that 2nd-round cut that he receives from Donaire, he will surely do everything not to let allow that to happen again.

I'm sure Inoue already made a strategy for this as he doesn't like to experience again being sent to the hospital because of the heavy damage he received for the first time in his career. With that improve Inoue too, that won't change my mind to still support Donaire.

For a bettor that supports Donaire, it's worth placing a bet for him as we will enjoy the odds provided to him as an underdog.

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But as we all know, he has lived with his left hook so this will still be his main weapon against Inoue. Maybe though he has regained his confidence back after losing because he was able to make a huge comeback and win back to back and score a knock out against young fighters.

Those two wins that Donaire established after losing to Inoue play a big reason why he got his confidence back. If he loses even at one of those previous fights, there will be no chance for an Inoue rematch. Even if we can't compare the strength of those previous boxers that Donaire beat to Inoue, it's a good reference that Donaire still has it.

Looking forward to our Donaire winning. We know the big difference between them but upset always has a chance to happen.

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Donaire saying that he has improved since their last fight is just a promotional thing for me. Even if he has improved, it won't happen overnight, and considering that he has aged that would be hard also for him to change his fighting style. Donaire was doing good in their first fight, it just that the punches he threw were not enough to knock Inoue out.

Same with you, I'm rooting for Donaire because of the odds and of course, he is my compatriot lol.

Regardless if it's a promotional statement or not, I'm sure even at 50% he really meant that statement. Obviously, any boxer can say they improved, either because of self-confidence or they just really feel it. But I hope he is 100% true on that statement as I support him on this match no matter how fierce Naoya Inoue is.

I like to see the aggressiveness of Donaire again in the early rounds like what he did in their first match. That's the only time Donaire can make Inoue struggle as the longer the fight goes, that will be a disadvantage to him.

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Quote from: Fatunad on May 27, 2022, 04:53:01 PM

To be honest, the thing that entices me to bet on Donaire here is the odds, he is the underdog and I like his odds though his chances are really low IMO. However, since Donaire said he will not be the same in the first fights, that gives me as a bettor some confidence in betting on him.

Donaire saying that he has improved since their last fight is just a promotional thing for me. Even if he has improved, it won't happen overnight, and considering that he has aged that would be hard also for him to change his fighting style. Donaire was doing good in their first fight, it just that the punches he threw were not enough to knock Inoue out.

Same with you, I'm rooting for Donaire because of the odds and of course, he is my compatriot lol.

I'm trying to think what could Nonito be improving in this fight, foot work? So I agree with you, this might be a promotional thing that he is saying to the public. It there is one thing that he needs to improved though is his gas tank. Because of his age, and as the fight goes into 8 to 10 or even 12 full rounds, Nonito is fading and that's why his punches have no longer that effect on Inoue later although the accumulation of punches broke Inoue's orbital bone but it was not enough for him to squeak out a decision.

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For now we can not choose or we can not say that inoue is the winner or dinaire is the winner of these fight because we all know that this rematch is a big fight so without any extra movement both players/fighter. Trained hard and do their best to prepare this fight. If donaire will win I think that there's a chance to have a 3 fight because it's 1-1 if donaire win and for sure the crowd or people will hunt for the 3 fight in order to recognize who is the best.

It's okay, fans do that.

The match is about to come and we're all just fans who are giving opinions on what could potentially happen. And you just did gave an opinion about Donaire as the winner for which you've said that we can't say he should be a winner.

Well, it's normal for all of us fans to say what we like and have our bias. Anyway, the match is less than 2 weeks away.

That's why we do have this forum for us to express our own opinions in related to things or events and of course there would really be some sort of bias approach or sentiment but since we do have the freedom on speech then let's just respect on each of everyone opinion on particular things.We don't know on how this rematch would end up because the better fighter would really be ending up on beating the other one and for me I would bet for donaire yet he do have the chance and should made out some adjustments that he hadn't done in previous match in between Inoue.

And sometimes we see two different sides, arguing but that is fine, this is community and everyone is free to speak and offer his opinion on a particular fighter or match and we respect each other opinion.

But as far as bookies goes, Donaire is the underdog, and obviously as Inoue is the monster and has beaten Donaire in their first fight and still not yet in his prime but Donaire is one of the old guard of this bantamweight division. But I will like to see Donaire pull an upset win against Inoue just for the sake that we might will see another trilogy fight.

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Quote from: livingfree on May 27, 2022, 04:45:03 PM

Quote from: livingfree on May 27, 2022, 04:45:03 PM

For now we can not choose or we can not say that inoue is the winner or dinaire is the winner of these fight because we all know that this rematch is a big fight so without any extra movement both players/fighter. Trained hard and do their best to prepare this fight. If donaire will win I think that there's a chance to have a 3 fight because it's 1-1 if donaire win and for sure the crowd or people will hunt for the 3 fight in order to recognize who is the best.

It's okay, fans do that.

The match is about to come and we're all just fans who are giving opinions on what could potentially happen. And you just did gave an opinion about Donaire as the winner for which you've said that we can't say he should be a winner.

Well, it's normal for all of us fans to say what we like and have our bias. Anyway, the match is less than 2 weeks away.

That's why we do have this forum for us to express our own opinions in related to things or events and of course there would really be some sort of bias approach or sentiment but since we do have the freedom on speech then let's just respect on each of everyone opinion on particular things.We don't know on how this rematch would end up because the better fighter would really be ending up on beating the other one and for me I would bet for donaire yet he do have the chance and should made out some adjustments that he hadn't done in previous match in between Inoue.

It's in every social, we are free to share our opinion if we want to.

There would usually biases that we'll say and that's according to the likes of us and if we're a fan of Donaire or Inoue. There's the news that I've seen recently that Donaire said that he'll win this.

It's coming from him so that's the spirit that he really need and the same for us fans that want him to win this rematch. Because after this, we don't know if he's going retirement and won't have any matches anymore.

We just want him a happy ending before his retirement but Inoue sure is also a decent opponent and he's the one that's like dictating the crowd since he's the winner on their first match.

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For now we can not choose or we can not say that inoue is the winner or dinaire is the winner of these fight because we all know that this rematch is a big fight so without any extra movement both players/fighter. Trained hard and do their best to prepare this fight. If donaire will win I think that there's a chance to have a 3 fight because it's 1-1 if donaire win and for sure the crowd or people will hunt for the 3 fight in order to recognize who is the best.

It's okay, fans do that.

The match is about to come and we're all just fans who are giving opinions on what could potentially happen. And you just did gave an opinion about Donaire as the winner for which you've said that we can't say he should be a winner.

Well, it's normal for all of us fans to say what we like and have our bias. Anyway, the match is less than 2 weeks away.

That's why we do have this forum for us to express our own opinions in related to things or events and of course there would really be some sort of bias approach or sentiment but since we do have the freedom on speech then let's just respect on each of everyone opinion on particular things.We don't know on how this rematch would end up because the better fighter would really be ending up on beating the other one and for me I would bet for donaire yet he do have the chance and should made out some adjustments that he hadn't done in previous match in between Inoue.

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To be honest, the thing that entices me to bet on Donaire here is the odds, he is the underdog and I like his odds though his chances are really low IMO. However, since Donaire said he will not be the same in the first fights, that gives me as a bettor some confidence in betting on him.

Donaire saying that he has improved since their last fight is just a promotional thing for me. Even if he has improved, it won't happen overnight, and considering that he has aged that would be hard also for him to change his fighting style. Donaire was doing good in their first fight, it just that the punches he threw were not enough to knock Inoue out.

Same with you, I'm rooting for Donaire because of the odds and of course, he is my compatriot lol.

As the saying goes, you can't teach a old dog a new trick, so maybe Donaire just telling this to hype the fans so that they are eager to see what's Donaire's improved in this second fight.

But as we all know, he has lived with his left hook so this will still be his main weapon against Inoue. Maybe though he has regained his confidence back after losing because he was able to make a huge comeback and win back to back and score a knock out against young fighters.

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For now we can not choose or we can not say that inoue is the winner or dinaire is the winner of these fight because we all know that this rematch is a big fight so without any extra movement both players/fighter. Trained hard and do their best to prepare this fight. If donaire will win I think that there's a chance to have a 3 fight because it's 1-1 if donaire win and for sure the crowd or people will hunt for the 3 fight in order to recognize who is the best.

It's okay, fans do that.

The match is about to come and we're all just fans who are giving opinions on what could potentially happen. And you just did gave an opinion about Donaire as the winner for which you've said that we can't say he should be a winner.

Well, it's normal for all of us fans to say what we like and have our bias. Anyway, the match is less than 2 weeks away.

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