Topic: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion - page 14. (Read 8204 times)

Quote from: Vaculin on May 27, 2022, 08:47:13 AM

If Donaire would lose this one then it does proves out that Inoue is the better fighter but if chances that he would able to get the win this time then there's a high possibility for some trilogy which do usually happens
whenever there's some rivalry which is really that common and something that could be seen but of course it would really still vary with the organization if ever they would push possible third or not
but well we should not be talking about trilogy which Donaire needs to settle this rematch and might really be considering for its retirement?

Mate, it's already considered by the majority that Inoue is the much better fighter here. Donaire is fighting against the odds. He is the underdog here that's why if he will lose this match, these are expected already by the others. But I'm looking for an upset win by Donaire here.

Same here, I am looking for an upset win. Donaire even though an underdog still has an explosive skill, knockout punching power, and good ring movement that can possibly KO his opponent.

To be honest, the thing that entices me to bet on Donaire here is the odds, he is the underdog and I like his odds though his chances are really low IMO. However, since Donaire said he will not be the same in the first fights, that gives me as a bettor some confidence in betting on him.

Exactly mate, there's no telling yet if Donaire could really upset the monster of Japan this time in their rematch. I mean if he got some improvements now and he's not like the old Donaire whom Inoue defeated last time then the latter has some improvements too and Inoue's gotten better as he's also not the Inoue whom Donaire have faced before. That's also why Donaire is still the underdog in this bout.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 27, 2022, 08:28:58 AM

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If Donaire would lose this one then it does proves out that Inoue is the better fighter but if chances that he would able to get the win this time then there's a high possibility for some trilogy which do usually happens
whenever there's some rivalry which is really that common and something that could be seen but of course it would really still vary with the organization if ever they would push possible third or not
but well we should not be talking about trilogy which Donaire needs to settle this rematch and might really be considering for its retirement?

Mate, it's already considered by the majority that Inoue is the much better fighter here. Donaire is fighting against the odds. He is the underdog here that's why if he will lose this match, these are expected already by the others. But I'm looking for an upset win by Donaire here.

Same here, I am looking for an upset win. Donaire even though an underdog still has an explosive skill, knockout punching power, and good ring movement that can possibly KO his opponent.

To be honest, the thing that entices me to bet on Donaire here is the odds, he is the underdog and I like his odds though his chances are really low IMO. However, since Donaire said he will not be the same in the first fights, that gives me as a bettor some confidence in betting on him.

For me, it's both. I believe on Donaire's capacity to win and the odds are very attractive. If it's already available in the bookies, I would have already put my bet already. And yes, I believe that it's going to be a different Donaire that will face Inoue as Donaire came from a huge win so his confidence is higher than they previously faced, and for sure we will see the necessary adjustment so Donaire will be able to effectively use his strategy.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 25, 2022, 05:17:54 AM

But I believe that Donaire would correct those same mistakes he committed during their first encounter. Anyway, Donaire has spoken and these is his words:

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“If Naoya thinks I'm still the same as in our first encounter, that’s wrong. I’m quite different as I can punch him from any angle in any position now. My skills and motivation have improved a lot. You’ll see.” Donaire told Fightnews.

https://sports.inquirer.net/464196/donaire-says-hes-improved-a-lot-heading-into-inoue-rematch

There's a popular saying that is also common among boxing enthusiasts.

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You cannot teach an old dog new tricks.

Donaire is a legend and it made another record by still being a champion in his late 30s. But his words are no different to the other legends in the past that tried to continue fighting despite being their past primes. They always sugar coat themselves. Maybe it is in their confidence and that they were trying to persuade the public. Like saying age is just a number; that they were becoming better and improving; and that they felt young and at the best condition in their lives. And when they lost, they will accept the reality and facts.

Anyways, since I lost a bet to a friend few days ago, I am now mandated to bet on Donaire. Cheesy

So I am hoping for his kind of last hurrah against a young version of himself. One Hail Mary punch can change the outcome of this fight.

He is indeed already a legend, his records can speak for himself for that because of his outstanding record and wins even with his age now. He may be more fragile because of that age but his skills are not one to be underestimated because he can still dance well and put an opponent to sleep even if that's Inoue.

You're right, all champions and legends are saying that kind of stuff and hopefully he can back those words with action once their fight starts. I actually believe me though even if the odds are pointing towards Inoue.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 27, 2022, 08:28:58 AM

If Donaire would lose this one then it does proves out that Inoue is the better fighter but if chances that he would able to get the win this time then there's a high possibility for some trilogy which do usually happens
whenever there's some rivalry which is really that common and something that could be seen but of course it would really still vary with the organization if ever they would push possible third or not
but well we should not be talking about trilogy which Donaire needs to settle this rematch and might really be considering for its retirement?

Mate, it's already considered by the majority that Inoue is the much better fighter here. Donaire is fighting against the odds. He is the underdog here that's why if he will lose this match, these are expected already by the others. But I'm looking for an upset win by Donaire here.

Same here, I am looking for an upset win. Donaire even though an underdog still has an explosive skill, knockout punching power, and good ring movement that can possibly KO his opponent.

To be honest, the thing that entices me to bet on Donaire here is the odds, he is the underdog and I like his odds though his chances are really low IMO. However, since Donaire said he will not be the same in the first fights, that gives me as a bettor some confidence in betting on him.

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If Donaire would lose this one then it does proves out that Inoue is the better fighter but if chances that he would able to get the win this time then there's a high possibility for some trilogy which do usually happens
whenever there's some rivalry which is really that common and something that could be seen but of course it would really still vary with the organization if ever they would push possible third or not
but well we should not be talking about trilogy which Donaire needs to settle this rematch and might really be considering for its retirement?

Mate, it's already considered by the majority that Inoue is the much better fighter here. Donaire is fighting against the odds. He is the underdog here that's why if he will lose this match, these are expected already by the others. But I'm looking for an upset win by Donaire here.

Same here, I am looking for an upset win. Donaire even though an underdog still has an explosive skill, knockout punching power, and good ring movement that can possibly KO his opponent.

Experience-wise is the only thing that I referring to supporting Donaire here. And since he already faced Inoue before, he knows already what to do as a gameplan.

On the contrary, I don't think Donaire had an edge on the experience. As you said, he had faced Inoue before, and so does Inoue faced and beat Donaire in their first fight. So basically they already had a grasp of each others fighting style.

Quote from: Furious 7 on May 26, 2022, 02:59:43 PM

The question now is, how Donaire will execute his plans. As I said, he already knows what to do but the execution of it will be critical. It needs certain conditions before he can pull those out.

I hope Donaire and his camp comes up with a good game plan to limit Inoue's ring generalship and avoid or block Inoue's strong punches.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on May 25, 2022, 06:17:39 AM

This shows that now Donaire is serious and considers this match not as easy as previously imagined.
This is clearly a real threat to Inoue because regardless of what Donaire indirectly emphasizes here that he is ready for this and this makes it seem as if a real threat to Inoue to be more leverage if you want the fight to be more exciting.

I like the statement of Donaire, looks like he is really serious with his goal of becoming the undisputed champion in the bantamweight divison, if he will win in this bout, he will be a unified champion and for sure will soon be an undisputed as only Inoue is the toughest opponent in this division.

He is now the seed of course he has to say things like this because apart from maintaining his reputation this is also useful for him who really has to put his confidence first and this is quite a natural thing to do.
I think the first battle that really hit Donaire was also a revenge mission, of course he didn't want to mess with this.

This is his only chance to avenge his loss because after this, if he loses, he is not a champion anymore and most likely he will just think of retiring. So it needs a big preparation on his part in order for him to beat Inoue as we all know the type of boxer Inoue is, he is undefeated and has a good pound-for-pound record rating.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on May 25, 2022, 06:17:39 AM

This shows that now Donaire is serious and considers this match not as easy as previously imagined.
This is clearly a real threat to Inoue because regardless of what Donaire indirectly emphasizes here that he is ready for this and this makes it seem as if a real threat to Inoue to be more leverage if you want the fight to be more exciting.

I like the statement of Donaire, looks like he is really serious with his goal of becoming the undisputed champion in the bantamweight divison, if he will win in this bout, he will be a unified champion and for sure will soon be an undisputed as only Inoue is the toughest opponent in this division.

He is now the seed of course he has to say things like this because apart from maintaining his reputation this is also useful for him who really has to put his confidence first and this is quite a natural thing to do.
I think the first battle that really hit Donaire was also a revenge mission, of course he didn't want to mess with this.

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^^ Well we have been discussing what kind of strategy Donaire needs to win this fight because as you have said, he has seen Inoue power and speed before and he himself holds against and then fight and broke Inoue's orbital bone. And so far the consensus is that Donaire's left hook and counter punch is the key for him to win against the Monster. If he failed to execute any of the two then the chances for him to win is slim.

If we combine all of our ideas of how Donaire can win against Inoue is just to avoid the body punch. Donaire can stand against the punch of Inoue and avoid power punches. And, I think he will stand against him if he tries to close in a fight and do left and right hooks.

As I predict the fight, it might be the same as last 2019. Donaire just needs to increase his stamina and speed since Inoue is much younger and has more speed and power.

Body punch is the signature of Inoue, Donaire was a victim in the first fight although he was not KO after getting hit by a solid body punch. I'm pretty sure Donaire are aware of it already, he already felt the power of Inoue, so he will be careful in this rematch and will try to be quicker, and also quicker to score a KO as that's his only chance to win.

Donaire cannot honestly deny that he was really lucky enough that he didn't got KO'd after Inoue gave him that solid body punch, he surely felt that punch while Inoue was also hurt but he managed to shake it off. Not just Donaire but both of them will be careful enough because they are aware of the consequence if they caught unguarded as they both know how strong they are.

He is not denying anything, Nonito Donaire is the type of man who knows how to humble himself down and accept a defeat. He knows all the facts on why he's been defeated that time that is also why he is taking so much effort to prove himself and take a revenge. This time it will be a different Donaire and surely the opposite camp is also a different version as they are also taking some extra precautionary measure.

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Quote from: yazher on May 25, 2022, 10:17:30 AM

If Donaire would lose this one then it does proves out that Inoue is the better fighter but if chances that he would able to get the win this time then there's a high possibility for some trilogy which do usually happens
whenever there's some rivalry which is really that common and something that could be seen but of course it would really still vary with the organization if ever they would push possible third or not
but well we should not be talking about trilogy which Donaire needs to settle this rematch and might really be considering for its retirement?

Mate, it's already considered by the majority that Inoue is the much better fighter here. Donaire is fighting against the odds. He is the underdog here that's why if he will lose this match, these are expected already by the others. But I'm looking for an upset win by Donaire here.

Experience-wise is the only thing that I referring to supporting Donaire here. And since he already faced Inoue before, he knows already what to do as a gameplan.

The question now is, how Donaire will execute his plans. As I said, he already knows what to do but the execution of it will be critical. It needs certain conditions before he can pull those out.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 25, 2022, 06:12:37 AM

^^ Well we have been discussing what kind of strategy Donaire needs to win this fight because as you have said, he has seen Inoue power and speed before and he himself holds against and then fight and broke Inoue's orbital bone. And so far the consensus is that Donaire's left hook and counter punch is the key for him to win against the Monster. If he failed to execute any of the two then the chances for him to win is slim.

They are close to seeing each other to once again prove to the world who is the best of this era in the Bantam Weight Division but it seems like Donaire is the real Underdog here since he is getting old and we don't know if he is getting slower as well. on the other hand, we have Inoue who is still improving even though he is powerful and fast in his current state but we already had so many possibilities and they might be present here as well. what I mean is some unexpected result that happened like the fight with Canelo Alvarez whether Donaire will surprise Inoue or he will be surprised by how much he improves over the past years.

If Donaire would lose this one then it does proves out that Inoue is the better fighter but if chances that he would able to get the win this time then there's a high possibility for some trilogy which do usually happens
whenever there's some rivalry which is really that common and something that could be seen but of course it would really still vary with the organization if ever they would push possible third or not
but well we should not be talking about trilogy which Donaire needs to settle this rematch and might really be considering for its retirement?

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Quote from: d3nz on May 23, 2022, 01:39:27 AM

^^ Well we have been discussing what kind of strategy Donaire needs to win this fight because as you have said, he has seen Inoue power and speed before and he himself holds against and then fight and broke Inoue's orbital bone. And so far the consensus is that Donaire's left hook and counter punch is the key for him to win against the Monster. If he failed to execute any of the two then the chances for him to win is slim.

If we combine all of our ideas of how Donaire can win against Inoue is just to avoid the body punch. Donaire can stand against the punch of Inoue and avoid power punches. And, I think he will stand against him if he tries to close in a fight and do left and right hooks.

As I predict the fight, it might be the same as last 2019. Donaire just needs to increase his stamina and speed since Inoue is much younger and has more speed and power.

Body punch is the signature of Inoue, Donaire was a victim in the first fight although he was not KO after getting hit by a solid body punch. I'm pretty sure Donaire are aware of it already, he already felt the power of Inoue, so he will be careful in this rematch and will try to be quicker, and also quicker to score a KO as that's his only chance to win.

Donaire cannot honestly deny that he was really lucky enough that he didn't got KO'd after Inoue gave him that solid body punch, he surely felt that punch while Inoue was also hurt but he managed to shake it off. Not just Donaire but both of them will be careful enough because they are aware of the consequence if they caught unguarded as they both know how strong they are.

Both will for sure, they already taste the solid punches against each other and now that in just one careless move their opponent can beat them up, looking to see the same type of tempo. How they fought before shows how eager both fighters to win against each other, and since this is a rematch and both of them hold belts that in stake.

More aggressive but smooth attacks to be sent by each fighter, even Donaire is underdog here, betting spare coins would be fine

to show my support for him..

Yes, they are quite aware that a single mistake will lead or result into a defeat. That's what exactly makes this upcoming fight indeed interesting to see because the previous fight was just a close score which resulted into a unanimous decision. This time for sure Donaire will seek revenge and prove than he can still dance well and defeat a much younger and strong monster which defeated him ones while Inoue is looking for a win that will close this bout for good. This will be tough!

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 25, 2022, 08:28:39 AM

^^ Well we have been discussing what kind of strategy Donaire needs to win this fight because as you have said, he has seen Inoue power and speed before and he himself holds against and then fight and broke Inoue's orbital bone. And so far the consensus is that Donaire's left hook and counter punch is the key for him to win against the Monster. If he failed to execute any of the two then the chances for him to win is slim.

They are close to seeing each other to once again prove to the world who is the best of this era in the Bantam Weight Division but it seems like Donaire is the real Underdog here since he is getting old and we don't know if he is getting slower as well. on the other hand, we have Inoue who is still improving even though he is powerful and fast in his current state but we already had so many possibilities and they might be present here as well. what I mean is some unexpected result that happened like the fight with Canelo Alvarez whether Donaire will surprise Inoue or he will be surprised by how much he improves over the past years.

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I like the statement of Donaire, looks like he is really serious with his goal of becoming the undisputed champion in the bantamweight divison, if he will win in this bout, he will be a unified champion and for sure will soon be an undisputed as only Inoue is the toughest opponent in this division.

Though based on his statement he really want to prove himself, but I have to say all boxers including an underdogs will say same since they need confident enough to beat their opponent, even it's near impossible to won. In this match, I also see it's almost impossible for Donaire to win, Inoue is in prime and he's like a killing machine on the current weight.

I would not say it's almost impossible for Donaire to beat Inoue, maybe he is a heavy underdog but he has his weapon that could KO Inoue if he will be careless. In fact, I expect Inoue will be less aggressive in this fight as he knows himself that Donaire has the power to KO him, so his strategy will more like using his quickness advantage to win.

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