Inoue vs Donaire II discussion - page 17.

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Quote from: blockman on May 16, 2022, 06:27:09 PM

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 15, 2022, 07:33:47 AM

Quote from: Japinat on May 15, 2022, 06:58:14 AM

I like to see an early KO or upset by Donaire, but I think the chance of it happening is quite low.

Well, actually if you believe that Donaire will win in this match, that kind of scenario should happen in the fight. No way Donaire will win if the fight goes to the judges' scorecard, he won't last 12 rounds having the same power he has in the early round as Inoue is faster than him, so Donaire will be exhausted.

You can really see that Donaire gassed out on later rounds which it is really that too obvious that his stamina isnt really as good as inoue which is really that noticeable.If he works out on that one plus
having some changes on his counterpunching then i do really see that he had some chance on beating or pulling some upset with Inoue but of course this isnt something simple as it sounds
yet Inoue would really be trying out to enhance more on what he had lacked on that previous fight or encounter against Donaire.So both are really preparing to overcome their flaws.

They're both aware of their flaws and they surely would do something to strengthen that flaw that might be used against them. The preparation of these two will be heavier than what they've prepared in the past for their first match. We all want Donaire to set a KO so that his first lose would be covered up by his victory via KO. I hope that it's not just a wishful thinking that will never happen but it becomes a reality that has to happen unexpectedly.

Could happen or could not and it would really be depending on whose fighter/boxer is much more better and since we do already have idea on how they do perform or fight on that first encounter then we could
really be having those presumptions about on some upset if Donaire would really be doing better for this rematch but for sure Inoue is already prepared for some changes or some sort.
If Donaire would win then possible there's a Trilogy yet of course there would really be some demand for this fight yet its remain unsettled until its proven
on whose the better boxer but well it is really just too far off for us to discuss on.

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Quote from: Mahanton on May 16, 2022, 04:39:31 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on May 15, 2022, 07:33:47 AM

Quote from: Japinat on May 15, 2022, 06:58:14 AM

I like to see an early KO or upset by Donaire, but I think the chance of it happening is quite low.

Well, actually if you believe that Donaire will win in this match, that kind of scenario should happen in the fight. No way Donaire will win if the fight goes to the judges' scorecard, he won't last 12 rounds having the same power he has in the early round as Inoue is faster than him, so Donaire will be exhausted.

You can really see that Donaire gassed out on later rounds which it is really that too obvious that his stamina isnt really as good as inoue which is really that noticeable.If he works out on that one plus
having some changes on his counterpunching then i do really see that he had some chance on beating or pulling some upset with Inoue but of course this isnt something simple as it sounds
yet Inoue would really be trying out to enhance more on what he had lacked on that previous fight or encounter against Donaire.So both are really preparing to overcome their flaws.

They're both aware of their flaws and they surely would do something to strengthen that flaw that might be used against them. The preparation of these two will be heavier than what they've prepared in the past for their first match. We all want Donaire to set a KO so that his first lose would be covered up by his victory via KO. I hope that it's not just a wishful thinking that will never happen but it becomes a reality that has to happen unexpectedly.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 15, 2022, 07:33:47 AM

Well, actually if you believe that Donaire will win in this match, that kind of scenario should happen in the fight. No way Donaire will win if the fight goes to the judges' scorecard, he won't last 12 rounds having the same power he has in the early round as Inoue is faster than him, so Donaire will be exhausted.

Actually, that's my concern - stamina.

Remember in their first fight, Donaire gives early heavy damage to Inoue and almost a possible Knock Out if Donaire was able to pin him down more. However, the Japanese monsters take time to recover and grab the late rounds. Since he is much younger, Inoue has more stamina and does some quiet safety moves after the heavy blows he received from Donaire.

And since the fight is now taking too long, both fighters are now exhausted but more noticeably with Donaire which is obvious why. I'm sure Donaire is working on his stamina since then but it's just that, Naoya really has lots of it.

I even have a concern right after the announcement of their rematch that the event will take place in the same arena they fought first. I mean, they already fight there in favor of the Japanese crowd, why set it up again on the advantage of the monster. And then I remember way back to the peak of the pandemic that Inoue's camp is willing not to have a fight unless it will be on his country. That's why I like Donaire to win this fight in front of Inoue's home crowd.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 15, 2022, 07:33:47 AM

Quote from: Japinat on May 15, 2022, 06:58:14 AM

I like to see an early KO or upset by Donaire, but I think the chance of it happening is quite low.

Well, actually if you believe that Donaire will win in this match, that kind of scenario should happen in the fight. No way Donaire will win if the fight goes to the judges' scorecard, he won't last 12 rounds having the same power he has in the early round as Inoue is faster than him, so Donaire will be exhausted.

You can really see that Donaire gassed out on later rounds which it is really that too obvious that his stamina isnt really as good as inoue which is really that noticeable.If he works out on that one plus
having some changes on his counterpunching then i do really see that he had some chance on beating or pulling some upset with Inoue but of course this isnt something simple as it sounds
yet Inoue would really be trying out to enhance more on what he had lacked on that previous fight or encounter against Donaire.So both are really preparing to overcome their flaws.

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Quote from: Russlenat on May 15, 2022, 07:33:47 AM

Quote from: Japinat on May 15, 2022, 06:58:14 AM

I like to see an early KO or upset by Donaire, but I think the chance of it happening is quite low.

Well, actually if you believe that Donaire will win in this match, that kind of scenario should happen in the fight. No way Donaire will win if the fight goes to the judges' scorecard, he won't last 12 rounds having the same power he has in the early round as Inoue is faster than him, so Donaire will be exhausted.

I also believe in that scenario, if he can pull the trigger and KO Inoue it should be on the earlier round, just like what happened last time

he did tried to box Inoue but the monster manage to take all those solid punches. In the last few rounds of the fight, Donaire loses his stamina

and that's the cue for Inoue to start throwing solid punches and take advantage of the slowness of Donaire. Hope not to see the same thing,

and the camp of Donaire already got good strategy to win this one.

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Quote from: Japinat on May 15, 2022, 06:58:14 AM

I like to see an early KO or upset by Donaire, but I think the chance of it happening is quite low.

Well, actually if you believe that Donaire will win in this match, that kind of scenario should happen in the fight. No way Donaire will win if the fight goes to the judges' scorecard, he won't last 12 rounds having the same power he has in the early round as Inoue is faster than him, so Donaire will be exhausted.

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^^ I think Donaire did a good move there, test himself if he still has it before going against Inoue for a rematch. And it did work wonders for him, we see how he knock out Ouballi with his left hook. Now he has build his confidence and believes that he can crack the Monster if they will face each other again. If he fails then at least he give his best. His left hook will still be his main weapon here and his experience.

Left hook fast counter which he's been known to be "The Flash". If he do able to land it up on a solid or most precise way then he might be having the chance on cracking up Inoue
but we know that this isnt something simple as it sounds yet Inoue does have a hard chin too.

You could really have those thoughts that this kid is fragile but with lots of fights and KO's he made then you could really say that you are wrong.
For Donaire then he had the chance but he shouldnt really be that confident still.

He already understand how tough Inoue was. He did land some solid punches in him the last time they fought.

But like what you said, Inoue has a hard chin, and that's the thing Donaire needs to work out, train more and look for any possible
combination to exposed Inoue, and most of all, he needs a longer stamina, personally that's the thing that he needs to improve
power punches are still there even he's not on his prime anymore, but if luck permits him to convert, Inoue may fall and lose this rematch.

He is a monster, the name itself tells us that he is not only good offensively but the is also tough when it comes to defense. It was Inoue's defense that made him win on their first encounter, he made an adjustment, and that made him dominate Inoue in the later rounds.

I like to see an early KO or upset by Donaire, but I think the chance of it happening is quite low.

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^^ I think Donaire did a good move there, test himself if he still has it before going against Inoue for a rematch. And it did work wonders for him, we see how he knock out Ouballi with his left hook. Now he has build his confidence and believes that he can crack the Monster if they will face each other again. If he fails then at least he give his best. His left hook will still be his main weapon here and his experience.

Left hook fast counter which he's been known to be "The Flash". If he do able to land it up on a solid or most precise way then he might be having the chance on cracking up Inoue
but we know that this isnt something simple as it sounds yet Inoue does have a hard chin too.

You could really have those thoughts that this kid is fragile but with lots of fights and KO's he made then you could really say that you are wrong.
For Donaire then he had the chance but he shouldnt really be that confident still.

He already understand how tough Inoue was. He did land some solid punches in him the last time they fought.

But like what you said, Inoue has a hard chin, and that's the thing Donaire needs to work out, train more and look for any possible
combination to exposed Inoue, and most of all, he needs a longer stamina, personally that's the thing that he needs to improve
power punches are still there even he's not on his prime anymore, but if luck permits him to convert, Inoue may fall and lose this rematch.

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Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2022, 06:45:06 PM

But since Donaire is a PH representative, I will disregard any disadvantages for him and will root for him to win. A successful win and revenge on his loss against Inoue in their first fight will surprise everyone that age is just a number.

If Donaire won, another milestone in his career as the older boxer to unify 3 belts in a single division. Nothing wrong to hope for that.

I'm afraid tho, coz inoue previous fight ended in body punch again like what happen to donaire and as the matter of fact most of his fight always ended the same. so donaire need to be careful and to improve his footwork to prevent body punches, coz inoue is really a monster.

I haven't seen Donaire though being knock down or knock out by a body punch. And he himself is a good body puncher as well, to setup his shot upstairs. If Inoue sees a body opening, he will take it. But I doubt that Donaire will give him that opportunity because Donaire is more of a timing fighter. He read his opponents next move and then perfect counter with his left.

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Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2022, 06:45:06 PM

But since Donaire is a PH representative, I will disregard any disadvantages for him and will root for him to win. A successful win and revenge on his loss against Inoue in their first fight will surprise everyone that age is just a number.

If Donaire won, another milestone in his career as the older boxer to unify 3 belts in a single division. Nothing wrong to hope for that.

I'm afraid tho, coz inoue previous fight ended in body punch again like what happen to donaire and as the matter of fact most of his fight always ended the same. so donaire need to be careful and to improve his footwork to prevent body punches, coz inoue is really a monster.

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Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2022, 06:45:06 PM

But since Donaire is a PH representative, I will disregard any disadvantages for him and will root for him to win. A successful win and revenge on his loss against Inoue in their first fight will surprise everyone that age is just a number.

Well, his back to back wins by knockout after his defeat to Inoue just shows that he's still one of the top boxer and age is not a hindrance to win the fight.

Their undisputed fight last 2019 is one of the best that I've seen, thus this rematch that many fans have been waiting is an event that we should not missed.

Im also hoping for Donaire to win this time and if this happened its possible they will have a rematch once again.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 14, 2022, 12:42:03 PM

Meanwhile on Donaire vs Inoue fight, I won't deny that I'm rooting so much to Donaire because I know how dedicated he was just to get this much awaited rematch, he was still testing himself if he can fight Inoue on a rematch that's why he waited and fought two boxers along the way.

Honestly, I understand the distance between Naoya Inoue and Nonito Donaire. Technical analysis, the former do have a much upper hand in this fight.

But since Donaire is a PH representative, I will disregard any disadvantages for him and will root for him to win. A successful win and revenge on his loss against Inoue in their first fight will surprise everyone that age is just a number.

If Donaire won, another milestone in his career as the older boxer to unify 3 belts in a single division. Nothing wrong to hope for that.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 14, 2022, 04:00:07 PM

^^ I think Donaire did a good move there, test himself if he still has it before going against Inoue for a rematch. And it did work wonders for him, we see how he knock out Ouballi with his left hook. Now he has build his confidence and believes that he can crack the Monster if they will face each other again. If he fails then at least he give his best. His left hook will still be his main weapon here and his experience.

Left hook fast counter which he's been known to be "The Flash". If he do able to land it up on a solid or most precise way then he might be having the chance on cracking up Inoue
but we know that this isnt something simple as it sounds yet Inoue does have a hard chin too.

You could really have those thoughts that this kid is fragile but with lots of fights and KO's he made then you could really say that you are wrong.
For Donaire then he had the chance but he shouldnt really be that confident still.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 14, 2022, 04:00:07 PM

^^ I think Donaire did a good move there, test himself if he still has it before going against Inoue for a rematch. And it did work wonders for him, we see how he knock out Ouballi with his left hook. Now he has build his confidence and believes that he can crack the Monster if they will face each other again. If he fails then at least he give his best. His left hook will still be his main weapon here and his experience.

It's not that he test himself but those fights after he lose to Inoue is part of his boxing plans. That rematch against Inoue will really come to him no matter what as long as he continues to win. Since he able to achieved an impressive 4th round TKO to both of his previous match and reclaimed a Championship title even at that age, he was recognized as a good match for Naoya Inoue.

This will be his last shot against Inoue if he loses that's why I believed he will put his all on this fight. Winning against Inoue, expect a trilogy for them.

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^^ I think Donaire did a good move there, test himself if he still has it before going against Inoue for a rematch. And it did work wonders for him, we see how he knock out Ouballi with his left hook. Now he has build his confidence and believes that he can crack the Monster if they will face each other again. If he fails then at least he give his best. His left hook will still be his main weapon here and his experience.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 13, 2022, 05:14:45 AM

For sure, nobody would indeed want to watch the said exhibition fights if the fighters aren't that known or famous in the industry. In the past, only those retired boxers who are also famous are making these fights but now, we can see a mix of boxing and MMA wether they want to fight in the ring or octagon (not yet happened) but it is quite clear that they only wanted to make some money instead of entertaining the people and fans.

That's why we should support a real fight. Fans are the ones who would dictate if the fight is going to be profitable or not, and exhibition fights are profitable because people are supporting it, without our support exhibition fights will be gone.

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Anyway back to the topic, we will see this coming June 5 if how would Donaire and Inoue adjust for the 2nd time.

Just less than a month and we will see this anticipated fight, hopefully Donaire is 100% fit and he can surprise the world of boxing again.
No doubt Inoue is very powerful, but experience and a big Heart, Donaire has that.

It usually depends who will participate on that certain exhibition matches because if the names are tough then I think it's really that worth it to watch though then why not, right? But that's a big if for now.

Meanwhile on Donaire vs Inoue fight, I won't deny that I'm rooting so much to Donaire because I know how dedicated he was just to get this much awaited rematch, he was still testing himself if he can fight Inoue on a rematch that's why he waited and fought two boxers along the way.

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Quote from: Shamm on May 14, 2022, 09:11:34 AM

Let's focus on these two great fighter for now inoue and Donaire must trained harder and harder because this is the big fight of the year maybe. And for sure they will give us a good fight and that's very exciting to watch. Many people have want to see the rematch after their first fight and if these will happen too earlier for sure the crowd will be happy. And about casimero let's give him a break and let's put aside his name for now.

Fans and gamblers wanted to see entertainment from both fighters,

They are all willing to pay and risk a decent amount of money to see both fighters to give everything in trying to win the
fight. To do that, they needed to train well and focus in every category that they've seen the advantages and disadvantages
in this sport upset is always possible, no time to relax if you want to keep your fame and your belts.

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Quote from: Eternad on May 12, 2022, 04:52:38 AM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

Yup, some people can't really deny that huge amount of money offered if they decided to partake on such exhibition fights and aside from that, they can also gain more from the revenues afterwards so it's really tempting for them. But anyways, I believe Donaire is still part of those few boxers who chooses pride over money and this time if he will win, a trilogy is needed to materialize fast before he decides to retire.

I have no doubt Donaire would give Inoue a chance to fight again in a trilogy. That would be a great match up and the fans can choose to bet with the odds that are fair for both fighters, I mean no more heavy favorites for sure. I can't wait to see this fight, because it's the battle of the best since Casimero is out of the conversation already.

Let's focus on these two great fighter for now inoue and Donaire must trained harder and harder because this is the big fight of the year maybe. And for sure they will give us a good fight and that's very exciting to watch. Many people have want to see the rematch after their first fight and if these will happen too earlier for sure the crowd will be happy. And about casimero let's give him a break and let's put aside his name for now.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 12, 2022, 12:35:07 PM

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Quote from: Eternad on May 12, 2022, 04:52:38 AM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

Yup, some people can't really deny that huge amount of money offered if they decided to partake on such exhibition fights and aside from that, they can also gain more from the revenues afterwards so it's really tempting for them. But anyways, I believe Donaire is still part of those few boxers who chooses pride over money and this time if he will win, a trilogy is needed to materialize fast before he decides to retire.

I have no doubt Donaire would give Inoue a chance to fight again in a trilogy. That would be a great match up and the fans can choose to bet with the odds that are fair for both fighters, I mean no more heavy favorites for sure. I can't wait to see this fight, because it's the battle of the best since Casimero is out of the conversation already.

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Quote from: Taskford on May 14, 2022, 06:04:27 AM

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The Ring magazine is rating Inoue as the number 3 pound for pound best. If my memory serves right, Donaire's highest ranking pound for pound was at number 4.

You only missed a bit, Donaire's highest rank P4P was at number 3 on 2011.
Yep the problem is that was a record on 2011, while Inoue ranked at number 3 in this year. I see this fight like Canelo vs GGG where GGG can't won against Canelo (even there's will be a trilogy), so I expect Inoue will win because of his prime, the location and also the judges. Donaire need really dominating in the ring, with his current agility now... there's a gap and wouldn't compete against Inoue.

That's the problem with Donaire now he is fighting a prime Inoue so for sure he will struggle for this and also Inoue is full of confidence as he already defeated him on his last match up. Most provably many bettor will bet on Inoue on this fight since they know that Donaire is at the peak or maybe over on his prime years.

He already fought Inoue in the past, so he already knows how capable Inoue is. yes, Inoue is still in his prime but Donaire also is still capable of winning, in fact, he is a champion now and therefore we have to believe that Donaire has a chance of giving Inoue his first loss.

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So lets just see if we can see a good match between them here.

No doubt mate, it's guaranteed that we will witness a good fight.

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