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Quote from: Jating on April 20, 2022, 03:53:19 PM

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The odds doesn't change that much, Donaire is still 4:1 underdog.
I think for underdog bettors this is really a good odds assuming that Donaire can still fight and has the power and the timing to counter Inoue when he is going inside just like in the first fight. Donaire though will need to have a lot of stamina against the young Inoue to be able to sustain his attack the whole 12 rounds because this is what I'm seeing in this fight. Back and forth war throughout 12.

The only chances i can see for Donaire to get the win is to either control the early rounds or knock Inoue down even once and then calm down and just defend on the late rounds. I mean Donaire's style of play tends to be aggressive on the early round and then gas out on the later round, causing his punches became weak.
Inoue is known to have a destructive punches, if Donaire gas out on the later round he'll most probably gonna make that as an advantage.

But it's hard to see Donaire knocking out Inoue early, Inoue has also a good defense and a solid chin and I would say that he has a good boxing IQ as well. Donaire for sure can be aggressive in the early rounds, but he can't just cruise late in the rounds. He still has to give everything he got because Inoue has a good stamina because obviously he is the younger of the two. For me, the key for Donaire is to uses his counterpunch as his main weapon and make Inoue makes mistakes instead of looking for a early knock out.

And If Donaire wanted to win against Inoue, he'd rather develop his body weakness as this is the most possible target otherwise, he losses again.
He must find a hole for Inoue in order to take him down as he is firm and strong that he can really take a hard punch at their first meet. For this rematch, he must have to be more aggressive as this is the only way Inoue can make preparation for the next move.

They don't have a long age gap that is why I don't weigh this as a factor as experience is really an advantage when it comes to boxing sports.

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Quote from: harizen on April 23, 2022, 05:52:09 PM

Quote from: ultrloa on April 23, 2022, 05:06:36 PM

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

But if his body can't maintain that weight, it will be very hard for him to be just a bantamweight. Maybe it's in his DNA, leaning towards the body type that tends to gain weight. So he will really have a big problem right now.

Anyhow, let's focus at the fight on hand. Inoue is still the betting favorite here, and for me he will remain in that position even at fight night. And Donaire will have to be very positive and train hard enough if he wanted to upset and take that 0 from the Monster.

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Quote from: ultrloa on April 23, 2022, 05:06:36 PM

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 23, 2022, 10:17:49 AM

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Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

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Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

Nah, I don't think that the camp of Casimero will think like that. If I'm not mistaken, Casimero is calling out the champion of the next weight class before. So now that it is revealed that he really can't make this weight very easily.

So his fight with either of this two because of his current dilemma, he has nothing to offer now if he is going to be stripped of the belt. So Casimero will have to go back to zero again and hopefully he will have a chance to fight Inoue in the next division.

Who was it? I haven't heard it, I'm not saying that I disagree with you but I also want to know who was he calling in the super bantamweight division?

Casimero don't have much of a choice now because he is stripped and he have to climb the ladders again, it's sad that he have to come this way but Casimero and his team's actions is not an excuse just to make him fight with Butler, that would certainly be unfair. He should move on to other division where his weight won't be his problem anymore.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 12:45:14 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on April 22, 2022, 11:49:20 AM

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 11:47:10 AM

Quote from: mirakal on April 22, 2022, 10:32:46 AM

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules?

It is impossible for Casimero's camp to not know the rule. I think they do it deliberately thinking that they will escape from it. Probably they had been doing it and it was just now that they were caught. When you always do it, you will become careless... well that is what I am thinking on this scenario.

Quote from: mirakal on April 22, 2022, 10:32:46 AM

Apart from that, his ambitions to fight against Inoue or Donaire are also gone into pieces as he will be now stripped of his belts.

Well it was his fault so it suits him.

Exactly, even the strongest excuse and reasons won't save Casimero this time because it is already clear in that video that he and his team have cheated that's why he lost some good weights in just a matter of 3 days. They are too desperate to catch the weight even if they know what was written in the rules. He should try climbing another division so that his weight problems won't be a problem anymore.

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Stick on the topic guys.

Casimero is now the topic here for most replies. It's ok as a side topic but the series of responses now are now mostly with Casimero.

He should be out of the topic here since likely his title will be stripped. Jonas Sultan as his replacement to fight against Paul Butler also lose. There's no way we can associate anymore the names of neither Casimero nor Sultan here to have a fight in the future with Inoue or Donaire.

Back to the topic, part of the undercard of this match involves Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma Inoue. He is against his fellow countrymen, Gakuya Fukuhara.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 22, 2022, 01:02:07 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 12:45:14 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on April 22, 2022, 11:49:20 AM

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

Nah, I don't think that the camp of Casimero will think like that. If I'm not mistaken, Casimero is calling out the champion of the next weight class before. So now that it is revealed that he really can't make this weight very easily.

So his fight with either of this two because of his current dilemma, he has nothing to offer now if he is going to be stripped of the belt. So Casimero will have to go back to zero again and hopefully he will have a chance to fight Inoue in the next division.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 11:47:10 AM

Quote from: mirakal on April 22, 2022, 10:32:46 AM

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules?

It is impossible for Casimero's camp to not know the rule. I think they do it deliberately thinking that they will escape from it. Probably they had been doing it and it was just now that they were caught. When you always do it, you will become careless... well that is what I am thinking on this scenario.

Agree with what you say, it's most likely like this because it would be very funny if they didn't know about this kind of thing which is a basic rule and they are not amateurs who are new to boxing today, they are professionals in their field. It's surprising that they don't know such basic things.

this will be another new drama after the last drama was almost dim

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Quote from: Natalim on April 22, 2022, 01:02:07 PM

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 22, 2022, 11:49:20 AM

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

Doesn't look good for him, he will be finally get stripped with the title.
https://sports.inquirer.net/459189/casimero-in-danger-of-losing-title-as-sultan-steps-in-vs-butler-for-interim-title-bout

Yeah, he has to move up but make sure he could bring his power to become a champion.
It's too painful seeing him this way because I was thinking he has a great chance of beating Inoue, but looks like that fight would remain as a dream.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 12:45:14 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on April 22, 2022, 11:49:20 AM

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 22, 2022, 11:49:20 AM

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire. I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 20, 2022, 10:34:24 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 20, 2022, 09:49:10 PM

You are absolutely right, for me Donaire is on another level, however with everything that has happened not only here in the forum is the best predicted for him, in social networks, on twitter, in some forums that have to do with sports favor him, and also like you, I'm surprised about CASIMERO, it's actually the hardest news that boxing can bear for now.

Don't be surprise with that, there was a rumor already before that Casimero is having a hard time reducing his weight, so that is maybe the reason why they are doing everything just to pass the weight, and the bad thing is that they violate the rules.

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

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Quote from: mirakal on April 22, 2022, 10:32:46 AM

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules?

It is impossible for Casimero's camp to not know the rule. I think they do it deliberately thinking that they will escape from it. Probably they had been doing it and it was just now that they were caught. When you always do it, you will become careless... well that is what I am thinking on this scenario.

Quote from: mirakal on April 22, 2022, 10:32:46 AM

Apart from that, his ambitions to fight against Inoue or Donaire are also gone into pieces as he will be now stripped of his belts.

Well it was his fault so it suits him.

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Quote from: Maslate on April 20, 2022, 10:51:47 PM

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 20, 2022, 09:49:10 PM

You are absolutely right, for me Donaire is on another level, however with everything that has happened not only here in the forum is the best predicted for him, in social networks, on twitter, in some forums that have to do with sports favor him, and also like you, I'm surprised about CASIMERO, it's actually the hardest news that boxing can bear for now.

Don't be surprise with that, there was a rumor already before that Casimero is having a hard time reducing his weight, so that is maybe the reason why they are doing everything just to pass the weight, and the bad thing is that they violate the rules.

I really thought that the rumor is not true, but with the news coming out, the rumor seemed to be coming from a legit source, and look what is happening now. Casimero will lose the opportunity to fight Butler, all the trainings and everything they did just to keep him at shape is now wasted.

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules? They have been in this industry for quite a long time now and even if they haven't caught red handed, they already committed a mistake for cheating to reduce his weight gradually and he is been suspected already on his weight.

Apart from that, his ambitions to fight against Inoue or Donaire are also gone into pieces as he will be now stripped of his belts.

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Quote from: ultrloa on April 21, 2022, 05:29:03 PM

This is what Casimero regret for the whole of his life and he's team is so dumb for releasing that video, they shouldn't do that since the fight is so near. I don't know if they really read the contract or they are just lazy to miss it that's why they have a video doing that violation. I'm sure this will not happen to Donaire since this guy is more discipline and focus compare to Casimero.

Provably Casimero's fans now are so disappointed to him for what he do.

I'm thinking that it's good that this happens to Casimero he cannot cut weight anymore and he is putting himself at risk by cutting weight more than what he can, look at what happened to Ancajas the drastic cut weight in his fight against his last opponent made him lose the fight because he easily gets tired we can have a Casimero with a bad performance if he cuts weight that way, Casimero can still go up and become champion he's career is not yet over but he will miss the chance to fight Inoue or Donaire.

A good fighter, I mean a great fighter like Casimero, if given another shot can easily make his way for another title fight,

Maybe the belt will be stripped, but if he will show interest and keep trying to find a fight, that will hype his name back. Promoters

can easily give him a big fight. We know how the business runs. Money is always on top and if they see him making his resume above,

again they can bring fight that will magnet the interest of the fans.

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I really thought that the rumor is not true, but with the news coming out, the rumor seemed to be coming from a legit source, and look what is happening now. Casimero will lose the opportunity to fight Butler, all the trainings and everything they did just to keep him at shape is now wasted.

Although this is all about Inoue and Donaire's thread. Still, there's sort of connection to these two and Casimero. Yes, all of those trainings, time, money and effort has been wasted.
I didn't dig the whole issue about it but I've understood that it just ended into vain and he surely don't like the result of it. You can think of it, how long you've been training well and all the sacrifices made and then he won't be the one to box?

He might also lose the chance to fight Inoue in the future, such a problematic situation and the unfocused boxer, that is a bad result for him. Well, with Inoue vs Donaire match I just hope that it will push through as well since a lot of things can happen before the match, and hopefully they all know the rules and will follow it accordingly. Can’t wait to see them again, I’m pretty sure its worth the wait after so many talks about this.

Well, we don't know what's with the future about him but let's just go with the focus right now. And that's with Donaire and Inoue so this match has became more exciting just after the news that we've heard about Casimero.
I think that there's no problem with these two and there will be no hindrance with their face off. But yes, hopefully that there won't be any problems met when the fight is near to date.

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Quote from: ultrloa on April 21, 2022, 05:29:03 PM

This is what Casimero regret for the whole of his life and he's team is so dumb for releasing that video, they shouldn't do that since the fight is so near. I don't know if they really read the contract or they are just lazy to miss it that's why they have a video doing that violation. I'm sure this will not happen to Donaire since this guy is more discipline and focus compare to Casimero.

Provably Casimero's fans now are so disappointed to him for what he do.

I'm thinking that it's good that this happens to Casimero he cannot cut weight anymore and he is putting himself at risk by cutting weight more than what he can, look at what happened to Ancajas the drastic cut weight in his fight against his last opponent made him lose the fight because he easily gets tired we can have a Casimero with a bad performance if he cuts weight that way, Casimero can still go up and become champion he's career is not yet over but he will miss the chance to fight Inoue or Donaire.

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Quote from: Johnyz on April 21, 2022, 04:28:35 PM

Quote from: Maslate on April 20, 2022, 10:51:47 PM

I really thought that the rumor is not true, but with the news coming out, the rumor seemed to be coming from a legit source, and look what is happening now. Casimero will lose the opportunity to fight Butler, all the trainings and everything they did just to keep him at shape is now wasted.

It seems scripted to me, who will go to Sauna and take a video from there knowing that its prohibited, either Casimero is too greedy to lose the weight, or really don’t want to fight Butler, guess what Sultan are more ready to take over.

I don't think that casimero is reasoning in this part , we Knew how anger to have a Win for this boxer to finally have a chance fighting either Donaire or Inoue so why would create sure thing that will not favor him to have a great fight?

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Anyway, since this is a thread for Inoue and Donaire let’s focus on this. This should not be just like a circus match, Donaire and Inoue are more professional and I’m confident that there will be no delay experience between these two boxer, many are already looking forward for this.

If that is the case then let see this fight happening very soon? I am for Donaire in this fight though He already lose the first fight yet I know he is ready now.

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