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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 28, 2022, 07:25:00 PM

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Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2022, 08:44:38 AM

Donaire should continue to work harder, if he have train hard in his previous fight, he has to double it as Inoue as a monster is a different animal.

There's no doubt that he's doing it. He's a responsible and dedicated one and that's for sure that he's doubling his work at his training now. The discipline that he's putting into his training is a must.
This is like his last match before he retires so basically, he's going to give his all in on this match if not then he can still continue with another one win before he announces retirement.

Yeah, for sure he had trained harder before, but Inoue is too much for him. But after his lost, Donaire has bounce back and then won a belt.

So if Donaire is thinking about retiring, then definitely he wanted to end it with a good note and hopefully he can beat the best boxers in their division. Because he has done that during his prime and it seems that he has gotten his second wind. So he will focus more and train hard for this Inoue, if he falls short again, maybe time for him to retire for good.

I think regardless of the outcome of this match, he has to retire already. I mean, if he wants to retire as a champion and he is lucky to beat Inoue, then that's it because there's no other best boxer in that division than Inoue. However, if he loss and think of bouncing back, I think it's not a good idea since it will take time to have a chance to fight Inoue which he is not getting any younger anymore.

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 28, 2022, 05:38:08 PM

Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2022, 08:44:38 AM

Donaire should continue to work harder, if he have train hard in his previous fight, he has to double it as Inoue as a monster is a different animal.

There's no doubt that he's doing it. He's a responsible and dedicated one and that's for sure that he's doubling his work at his training now. The discipline that he's putting into his training is a must.
This is like his last match before he retires so basically, he's going to give his all in on this match if not then he can still continue with another one win before he announces retirement.

Yeah, for sure he had trained harder before, but Inoue is too much for him. But after his lost, Donaire has bounce back and then won a belt.

So if Donaire is thinking about retiring, then definitely he wanted to end it with a good note and hopefully he can beat the best boxers in their division. Because he has done that during his prime and it seems that he has gotten his second wind. So he will focus more and train hard for this Inoue, if he falls short again, maybe time for him to retire for good.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2022, 08:44:38 AM

Donaire should continue to work harder, if he have train hard in his previous fight, he has to double it as Inoue as a monster is a different animal.

There's no doubt that he's doing it. He's a responsible and dedicated one and that's for sure that he's doubling his work at his training now. The discipline that he's putting into his training is a must.
This is like his last match before he retires so basically, he's going to give his all in on this match if not then he can still continue with another one win before he announces retirement.

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 28, 2022, 12:51:02 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on April 26, 2022, 04:41:05 AM

However, I'm starting to get disappointed with Casimero. He seems to lack of self discipline.

Too much arrogant that he wants to show something to Sean Gibbons and his opponent without thinking about the consequences. It's funny that their camp didn't know the rules since I doubt they will do it in the first place if they know that it's illegal.

Casimero needs a good team and people to surround him. They are all arrogant and feel they can conquer anything.

Look at the result of what they did and still silent about the issue because they know, they are really wrong.

It would be a foolish thing if they would make out some argument about the issue and its true that they have learned their lesson now on what do happens or looks like if they arent really abiding with the
laws or rules of boxing organization which would really be ending up something like this.

Cutting off with the discussion above since it do derails out the topic.Lets just see if Donaire would be having some sweet revenge on this upcoming rematch
if he do able to cope up with his flaws back in the past.

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Quote from: Oasisman on April 26, 2022, 04:41:05 AM

However, I'm starting to get disappointed with Casimero. He seems to lack of self discipline.

Too much arrogant that he wants to show something to Sean Gibbons and his opponent without thinking about the consequences. It's funny that their camp didn't know the rules since I doubt they will do it in the first place if they know that it's illegal.

Casimero needs a good team and people to surround him. They are all arrogant and feel they can conquer anything.

Look at the result of what they did and still silent about the issue because they know, they are really wrong.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2022, 08:44:38 AM

Donaire should continue to work harder, if he have train hard in his previous fight, he has to double it as Inoue as a monster is a different animal.

It's good that Donaire fought other boxers previously before having a rematch with Naoya Inoue. In that way, he can test if he can still be as conditioned as he should be whenever he is fighting. No choice but to train wise and hard as Inoue is on a different level compared to his previous fights.

Still, an impressive TKO in both of his previous fights was established by Donaire defying the laws of age. He just needs to maintain that good condition as even how good Inoue is, there's always a thing called a turning point that can change the expected result of the fight.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 28, 2022, 07:20:08 AM

Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2022, 07:11:33 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on April 28, 2022, 07:07:15 AM

Quote from: Fatunad on April 26, 2022, 04:14:29 PM

There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

We will expect both fighters to show additional strategy after their last fight,

Donaire gives us some glimpse of his patience during that last fought that he won, something new, knowing him as
an aggressive fighter. We don't know if how Inoue will adjust after watching that fight, if how his camp will
comply and find the right counter from that new strategy of Donaire. Very interesting to wait on this upcoming rematch.

Donaire has to make an adjustment because Inoue already see what Donaire could give to him. He hurt Inoue, well, that's given but in the end it was still Inoue who dominated the fight since he won via Unanimous decision. If Donaire wants to beat the Monster Inoue, he has to beat him early, like what he did to his previous fight, he has to KO him early.

Let's just say that Inoue is superior among other boxers in the bantamweight division, so whatever Donaire showed in his previous fight, that would not affect Inoue because he know Donaire very well, and the fact that he beat him in their first meeting despite he was injured, that says a lot that Inoue could handle the power of Donaire.

Maybe because Donaire is getting older while Inoue is still in his prime. However, let us not close the possibility that Donaire could pull an upset here because this is a big fight, they will do everything to win as most likely the winner of this fight will soon become an undisputed champion.

Donaire should continue to work harder, if he have train hard in his previous fight, he has to double it as Inoue as a monster is a different animal.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2022, 07:11:33 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on April 28, 2022, 07:07:15 AM

Quote from: Fatunad on April 26, 2022, 04:14:29 PM

There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

We will expect both fighters to show additional strategy after their last fight,

Donaire gives us some glimpse of his patience during that last fought that he won, something new, knowing him as
an aggressive fighter. We don't know if how Inoue will adjust after watching that fight, if how his camp will
comply and find the right counter from that new strategy of Donaire. Very interesting to wait on this upcoming rematch.

Donaire has to make an adjustment because Inoue already see what Donaire could give to him. He hurt Inoue, well, that's given but in the end it was still Inoue who dominated the fight since he won via Unanimous decision. If Donaire wants to beat the Monster Inoue, he has to beat him early, like what he did to his previous fight, he has to KO him early.

Let's just say that Inoue is superior among other boxers in the bantamweight division, so whatever Donaire showed in his previous fight, that would not affect Inoue because he know Donaire very well, and the fact that he beat him in their first meeting despite he was injured, that says a lot that Inoue could handle the power of Donaire.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 28, 2022, 07:07:15 AM

Quote from: Fatunad on April 26, 2022, 04:14:29 PM

There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

We will expect both fighters to show additional strategy after their last fight,

Donaire gives us some glimpse of his patience during that last fought that he won, something new, knowing him as
an aggressive fighter. We don't know if how Inoue will adjust after watching that fight, if how his camp will
comply and find the right counter from that new strategy of Donaire. Very interesting to wait on this upcoming rematch.

Donaire has to make an adjustment because Inoue already see what Donaire could give to him. He hurt Inoue, well, that's given but in the end it was still Inoue who dominated the fight since he won via Unanimous decision. If Donaire wants to beat the Monster Inoue, he has to beat him early, like what he did to his previous fight, he has to KO him early.

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Quote from: Fatunad on April 26, 2022, 04:14:29 PM

There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

We will expect both fighters to show additional strategy after their last fight,

Donaire gives us some glimpse of his patience during that last fought that he won, something new, knowing him as
an aggressive fighter. We don't know if how Inoue will adjust after watching that fight, if how his camp will
comply and find the right counter from that new strategy of Donaire. Very interesting to wait on this upcoming rematch.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 24, 2022, 02:43:30 PM

The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.

We can't do about that already as it was already in the past, the important thing is that Donaire is still improving to be the best despite of his age. I'm not seeing Donaire's age as an disadvantage because he still capable to knockout someone who will get caught in his punches.

Both have already have the knowledge on what needed to be improved and I think we will see a different version of them. As for power and speed, they don't have that much gap but the difference is that Inoue can take the punches while faking that he didn't felt anything of it and ofcourse their stamina level.

There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 26, 2022, 10:59:34 AM

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 24, 2022, 02:43:30 PM

The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.

We can't do about that already as it was already in the past, the important thing is that Donaire is still improving to be the best despite of his age. I'm not seeing Donaire's age as an disadvantage because he still capable to knockout someone who will get caught in his punches.

Both have already have the knowledge on what needed to be improved and I think we will see a different version of them. As for power and speed, they don't have that much gap but the difference is that Inoue can take the punches while faking that he didn't felt anything of it and ofcourse their stamina level.

Yes, both will adjust. Even Inoue beats Donaire from their last match for sure he manages to watch the latest win of Donaire.

And his camp will adjust to what possible strategy Donaire may use against them, in terms of Donaire, he already tastes the killer punches

of Inoue and with that, he needs to save up his stamina. Age may not be the problem, as looking with that last fight, Donaire still has

the kind of movement that can stand and possible in beating even the furious Inoue.

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Quote from: South Park on April 25, 2022, 11:11:45 PM

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The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.

We can't do about that already as it was already in the past, the important thing is that Donaire is still improving to be the best despite of his age. I'm not seeing Donaire's age as an disadvantage because he still capable to knockout someone who will get caught in his punches.

Both have already have the knowledge on what needed to be improved and I think we will see a different version of them. As for power and speed, they don't have that much gap but the difference is that Inoue can take the punches while faking that he didn't felt anything of it and ofcourse their stamina level.

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Quote from: harizen on April 25, 2022, 07:12:11 PM

Look at Donaire too, didn't bother to move up weight but instead, he specialized on his main forte as no need to force him to move up a weight. Discipline is the key and not being arrogant and that's what Casimero is lacking.

P.S As I said previously, I won't talk about Casimero here in this thread as he's out of the pictire here unless involving him with Inoue and Casimero.

Well, it's inevitable not to talk about Casimero in this thread since Inoue, Donaire, and him are like linked together in this current timeline. However, I'm starting to get disappointed with Casimero. He seems to lack of self discipline. He should step back a little bit in his engagement with the social media If he wants to become a better version of himself.
Inoue and Donaire are two classy fighter and doesn't need to hype or vlog everything they do unlike Casimero.

Donaire though move up in weight, challenges the champion that time was Nicolas Walters, a tall guy but Donaire was out of this league as he was knock out in round 6. It was so bad that Donaire has to fight in the Philippines after his lost to Walters and fought at 122 lbs and then goes down to 118 lbs.

That's true, so much respect for Donaire and Inoue, but at the end of the day, this two are going to try and get each others head.

He cannot handle a heavy opponent, not his weight and he was not able to carry his power. This is the best division for him IMO, he has the height advantage and he can really use his power to hurt his opponent, imagine, at his age now, he still beat a young champion and stripped him the belt, and that win was via KO.

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Quote from: Oasisman on April 26, 2022, 04:41:05 AM

Quote from: harizen on April 25, 2022, 07:12:11 PM

Look at Donaire too, didn't bother to move up weight but instead, he specialized on his main forte as no need to force him to move up a weight. Discipline is the key and not being arrogant and that's what Casimero is lacking.

P.S As I said previously, I won't talk about Casimero here in this thread as he's out of the pictire here unless involving him with Inoue and Casimero.

Well, it's inevitable not to talk about Casimero in this thread since Inoue, Donaire, and him are like linked together in this current timeline. However, I'm starting to get disappointed with Casimero. He seems to lack of self discipline. He should step back a little bit in his engagement with the social media If he wants to become a better version of himself.
Inoue and Donaire are two classy fighter and doesn't need to hype or vlog everything they do unlike Casimero.

Donaire though move up in weight, challenges the champion that time was Nicolas Walters, a tall guy but Donaire was out of this league as he was knock out in round 6. It was so bad that Donaire has to fight in the Philippines after his lost to Walters and fought at 122 lbs and then goes down to 118 lbs.

That's true, so much respect for Donaire and Inoue, but at the end of the day, this two are going to try and get each others head.

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Quote from: harizen on April 25, 2022, 07:12:11 PM

Look at Donaire too, didn't bother to move up weight but instead, he specialized on his main forte as no need to force him to move up a weight. Discipline is the key and not being arrogant and that's what Casimero is lacking.

P.S As I said previously, I won't talk about Casimero here in this thread as he's out of the pictire here unless involving him with Inoue and Casimero.

Well, it's inevitable not to talk about Casimero in this thread since Inoue, Donaire, and him are like linked together in this current timeline. However, I'm starting to get disappointed with Casimero. He seems to lack of self discipline. He should step back a little bit in his engagement with the social media If he wants to become a better version of himself.
Inoue and Donaire are two classy fighter and doesn't need to hype or vlog everything they do unlike Casimero.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 24, 2022, 02:43:30 PM

The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.

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Most probably Inoue will just do the same thing he did on their previous match, or maybe do better about it so he can still defend his record of being undefeated. I’ve heard that this one is a trilogy so there’s a higher chance for Donaire to win over Inoue, he just need to focus on his strength and have a new strategy. This is very exciting match, will take the odds for Donaire on this one.

Yes, that could be the plan again. If his first strategy made him win against Donaire, he doesn't have to change anything but equip it with better preparation together with that strategy.
In most cases, those strategies that has been done will be repeated if it has been used to won against his opponent and that's why if it's just about defending his title. Better equipped with how he knew Donaire fights.

Yes, there's no need for any difference. Inoue will just improve his fighting style. The same goes for Nonito Donaire.

They both know each other already and have an idea of how they fight. It now matters who will be left standing after their hard exchange of fists.

Inoue has the advantage to win but Donaire won't just allow that to happen easily.

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Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

He will struggle if he want to remain on bantam weight knowing how difficult things go to him reaching his desired weight for that fight, I know this is truly difficult since he might face much stronger opponents but its part of upgrading his career and might he will get back on his feet if he can able to go back and fight in his current weight class.

He is struggling to burn an average of 15-20 lbs in the Bantamweight division. Stepping up on the Featherweight division, he needs to burn an average of 10 lbs and maintained it which is also hard for him unless he will undergo a sauna lol.

It's not that easy to just decide to step up if he's not even in good shape in his current class. How can he defeat those guys there? Different to the plan of Naoya Inoue that he's already dominated the Bantamweight and thinking of moving up a weight class is reasonable as no reason to stay now at his current weight class.

Look at Donaire too, didn't bother to move up weight but instead, he specialized on his main forte as no need to force him to move up a weight. Discipline is the key and not being arrogant and that's what Casimero is lacking.

P.S As I said previously, I won't talk about Casimero here in this thread as he's out of the pictire here unless involving him with Inoue and Casimero.

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Quote from: harizen on April 23, 2022, 06:52:09 PM

Quote from: ultrloa on April 23, 2022, 06:06:36 PM

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

He will struggle if he want to remain on bantam weight knowing how difficult things go to him reaching his desired weight for that fight, I know this is truly difficult since he might face much stronger opponents but its part of upgrading his career and might he will get back on his feet if he can able to go back and fight in his current weight class.

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