Intellectual Property - In All Fairness! - page 55.

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:29:12 PM

Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:28:33 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:25:40 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:22:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Fantastic. The free market will save them so that only rich people will have nukes. Terrorist will have to have some class in your utopia. Love it!

Remind me; was Osama bin Ladin a billionaire? Just asking as I am sure he would have wanted to buy one or two for his friends to carry while the sail to New York.

ZING!

That's a terrible example. Why didn't he have a nuclear bomb if he wasn't under the protection of the glorious United States? You claim without laws he would have had nuclear bombs yet he was in Afghanistan and plenty of other places where it could have happened. Yet it didn't, hmm...

I guess that pretty much sinks that theory.

ZING!

Non-Proliferation Treaty. Check it out before you ZING

Good try though.

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Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:29:01 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:27:01 PM

Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:25:13 PM

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy...

Right, because nobody can ever pool their money. It's always one person.

*facepalm*

Cool... so you just shot down his argument for me. Thanks. Cheesy

I shot down your terrible argument too. I guess you didn't notice that. Why do I care if his argument gets destroyed while I'm destroying yours? Collateral damage.

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Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:25:13 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:22:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy... the same wealthy you previously admitted are the cause of government corruption and pillaging of the common man.

Sounds like a great idea!

Wtf would the wealthy want to own nukes, which are very dangerous, risky, toxic, and expensive to maintain devices, if they can just pay specialist teams to wipe out specific targets in secret, and manipulate the market through media, for WAY CHEAPER? Actually, what's the point of manufactoring nukes in a libertopia, anyway?

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:29:12 PM

That's a terrible example. Why didn't if have a nuclear bomb if he wasn't under the protection of the glorious united states? You claim without laws he would have had nuclear bombs yet he was in Afghanistan and plenty of other places where it could have happened. Yet it didn't, hmm...

I guess that pretty much sinks that theory.

ZING!

It didn't happen because nukes are heavily regulated and the half-handful of countries that own them aren't stupid enough to sell them to a guy that would gladly light one off in a city.

You can't point to the current system with all it's regulations and use it as an example of how thing will work in libertardtopia.

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Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:26:51 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:20:40 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 05:04:44 PM

If I have my own court, It won't find me guilty. For example, I you are a woman and I choose a Sharia court, I get a better divorce deal that you.

If you have your own court, that's fine. My friends and I will simply refuse to sell you anything, buy anything from you,hire you, or work for you. Feel free to bleed money till you starve.
If the dispute is dire enough, you can chose between a court or a gun.
If i am a woman, and you insist on Shari a court, I'll refuse, and stay with you while making your life miserable. Or steal all your stuff and take it to escrow that will release it after settlement by a court we both agree on.

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

And I and MANY other people will have simply learned their mistake of dealing with you, and will move on, never to deal with you or anyone like you again. How many people still want to use MyBitcoin? How many people are still sticking tens of thousands of dollars into anonymous online wallet services? What government body has set up regulations banning the use of anonymous online Bitcoin wallet services?

My friends and a lot of people like me disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

Then either I was in the wrong, and it is up to me to choose whether to agree with what you did and accept the new standard, OR to work extra hard to make my business be more wuccesfull than yours so I can beat you down in the market and force you to follow my new standard. Competition.

So if I am getting divorced, I can to to a Sharia court, get to keep all the kids and the property acquired since the marraige and my ex-wife can get them back by "competiton"

Unless you mean a wet tshirt competition, she is SOL.

Doesn't sound like an improvement in how society works to me.

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Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:28:33 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:25:40 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:22:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Fantastic. The free market will save them so that only rich people will have nukes. Terrorist will have to have some class in your utopia. Love it!

Remind me; was Osama bin Ladin a billionaire? Just asking as I am sure he would have wanted to buy one or two for his friends to carry while the sail to New York.

ZING!

That's a terrible example. Why didn't he have a nuclear bomb if he wasn't under the protection of the glorious United States? You claim without laws he would have had nuclear bombs yet he was in Afghanistan and plenty of other places where it could have happened. Yet it didn't, hmm...

I guess that pretty much sinks that theory.

ZING!

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:27:01 PM

Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:25:13 PM

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy...

Right, because nobody can ever pool their money. It's always one person.

*facepalm*

Cool... so you just shot down his argument for me. Thanks. Cheesy

Do you think about what you're writing before you post it?

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Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:25:40 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:22:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Fantastic. The free market will save them so that only rich people will have nukes. Terrorist will have to have some class in your utopia. Love it!

Remind me; was Osama bin Ladin a billionaire? Just asking as I am sure he would have wanted to buy one or two for his friends to carry while the sail to New York.

ZING!

Hawker

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:23:31 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

What are you talking about? Tuscon isn't a dream city. Its real. It exists. And you would allow the possession of nukes there. Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

Or is it possible that giving Jared Laughner the right to own a nuke is just a bad idea?

The conversion of a city from statism to anarchism rather than the formation of a city under anarchism are completely different things.

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:22:57 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:19:42 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:17:11 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

Your friends will either be just as dishonest as you or they'll quit being your friends after you screw them over. Also, how are you going to keep making money when nobody trusts you and will do business with you? You won't.

Or they will simply disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

Yet again you avoid the issue. Nobody will own nuclear bombs because nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed. Nobody will do business with people that don't abide by respectable courts. This are bullshit fantasy issues inflated way beyond any possibly likelihood of occurring. You've got nothing.

You are the one fantasising about giving people the right to nukes and as you say yourself "nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed."

So we at least agree that no-one would want to live in your utopia.

We agree that we don't need laws telling people to wear parachutes when they jump out of planes, just like we don't need laws to tell people not to live near other people that want to own nuclear bombs privately. It's a non-issue.

Sorry - saying that the entire population of New York has to move because 1 person wants to have a nuke in Times Square is an issue. Really, it is.

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Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:25:13 PM

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy...

Right, because nobody can ever pool their money. It's always one person.

*facepalm*

Rassah

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Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:20:40 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 05:04:44 PM

If I have my own court, It won't find me guilty. For example, I you are a woman and I choose a Sharia court, I get a better divorce deal that you.

If you have your own court, that's fine. My friends and I will simply refuse to sell you anything, buy anything from you,hire you, or work for you. Feel free to bleed money till you starve.
If the dispute is dire enough, you can chose between a court or a gun.
If i am a woman, and you insist on Shari a court, I'll refuse, and stay with you while making your life miserable. Or steal all your stuff and take it to escrow that will release it after settlement by a court we both agree on.

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

And I and MANY other people will have simply learned their mistake of dealing with you, and will move on, never to deal with you or anyone like you again. How many people still want to use MyBitcoin? How many people are still sticking tens of thousands of dollars into anonymous online wallet services? What government body has set up regulations banning the use of anonymous online Bitcoin wallet services?

My friends and a lot of people like me disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

Then either I was in the wrong, and it is up to me to choose whether to agree with what you did and accept the new standard, OR to work extra hard to make my business be more wuccesfull than yours so I can beat you down in the market and force you to follow my new standard. Competition.

Hawker

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Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:22:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Fantastic. The free market will save them so that only rich people will have nukes. Terrorist will have to have some class in your utopia. Love it!

Remind me; was Osama bin Ladin a billionaire? Just asking as I am sure he would have wanted to buy one or two for his friends to carry while the sail to New York.

AyeYo

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Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:22:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Which only puts nukes in the hands of the wealthy... the same wealthy you previously admitted are the cause of government corruption and pillaging of the common man.

Sounds like a great idea!

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Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

What are you talking about? Tuscon isn't a dream city. Its real. It exists. And you would allow the possession of nukes there. Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

Or is it possible that giving Jared Laughner the right to own a nuke is just a bad idea?

The conversion of a city from statism to anarchism rather than the formation of a city under anarchism are completely different things.

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:22:57 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:19:42 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:17:11 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

Your friends will either be just as dishonest as you or they'll quit being your friends after you screw them over. Also, how are you going to keep making money when nobody trusts you and will do business with you? You won't.

Or they will simply disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

Yet again you avoid the issue. Nobody will own nuclear bombs because nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed. Nobody will do business with people that don't abide by respectable courts. This are bullshit fantasy issues inflated way beyond any possibly likelihood of occurring. You've got nothing.

You are the one fantasising about giving people the right to nukes and as you say yourself "nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed."

So we at least agree that no-one would want to live in your utopia.

We agree that we don't need laws telling people to wear parachutes when they jump out of planes, just like we don't need laws to tell people not to live near other people that want to own nuclear bombs privately. It's a non-issue.

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:19:42 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:17:11 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

Your friends will either be just as dishonest as you or they'll quit being your friends after you screw them over. Also, how are you going to keep making money when nobody trusts you and will do business with you? You won't.

Or they will simply disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

Yet again you avoid the issue. Nobody will own nuclear bombs because nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed. Nobody will do business with people that don't abide by respectable courts. This are bullshit fantasy issues inflated way beyond any possibly likelihood of occurring. You've got nothing.

You are the one fantasising about giving people the right to nukes and as you say yourself "nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed."

So we at least agree that no-one would want to live in your utopia.

Rassah

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Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:19:23 PM

Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

By charging current market-rate prices for a nuke?

Hawker

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Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Quote from: Rassah on September 26, 2011, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 05:04:44 PM

If I have my own court, It won't find me guilty. For example, I you are a woman and I choose a Sharia court, I get a better divorce deal that you.

If you have your own court, that's fine. My friends and I will simply refuse to sell you anything, buy anything from you,hire you, or work for you. Feel free to bleed money till you starve.
If the dispute is dire enough, you can chose between a court or a gun.
If i am a woman, and you insist on Shari a court, I'll refuse, and stay with you while making your life miserable. Or steal all your stuff and take it to escrow that will release it after settlement by a court we both agree on.

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

And I and MANY other people will have simply learned their mistake of dealing with you, and will move on, never to deal with you or anyone like you again. How many people still want to use MyBitcoin? How many people are still sticking tens of thousands of dollars into anonymous online wallet services? What government body has set up regulations banning the use of anonymous online Bitcoin wallet services?

My friends and a lot of people like me disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:17:27 PM

No it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm against involuntary actions. Saying you don't care if I use aggression on you makes it voluntary. Therefore I'm free to use aggression on you. Don't like it? Then perhaps you should rethink rejecting the NAP. A hypocrite is someone that says "I reject the NAP, don't force it on me".

I think you've gone off the deep end, because that post made zero sense. Let me do another requote and maybe you'll get it this time.

Quote from: AyeYo on September 26, 2011, 06:14:16 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:03:40 PM

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Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 05:05:45 PM

Um only if it accepts the NAP. The NAP is your idea. Don't try forcing it on anyone else.

If you don't accept the non-aggression principle then I'm free to use aggression on you.

And there it is, folks. The ultimate double standard.

Wrong. It would be a double standard to say "I can use aggression but don't force me not to". If you say I can use aggression on you then why wouldn't I? That's what you're doing by saying you reject the NAP.

You spend 22 hours a day on this site bitching and crying that society forces you with aggression to follow it's beliefs, and that it's immoral and unjust... but then you turn around and say it's perfectly ok for you to use aggression to ram your beliefs down other peoples' throats, and that's called justice.

That's the very defintion of a hypocrite.

If something is immoral and unjust in your opinion, it's immoral and unjust regardless of what other people think of it. Your belief system is inherently hypocrtical because it's based on non-aggression and only voluntary actions... but it will involuntarily be aggressively forced on me if I don't agree with it. LOLOL

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Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:17:11 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:11:54 PM

Come on. I have friends too and I could care less about you and your friends. If I have money, I will never lack for people selling me stuff.

Your friends will either be just as dishonest as you or they'll quit being your friends after you screw them over. Also, how are you going to keep making money when nobody trusts you and will do business with you? You won't.

Or they will simply disagree with you. That is possible too you know. Just because you think all laws should work your way doesn't mean that my court is wrong to say it has laws that work my way. There is no standard for divorce or inheritance law in your world so don't accuse me of dishonesty.

Yet again you avoid the issue. Nobody will own nuclear bombs because nobody will want to live in areas where that's allowed. Nobody will do business with people that don't abide by respectable courts. This are bullshit fantasy issues inflated way beyond any possibly likelihood of occurring. You've got nothing.

Hawker

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Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 26, 2011, 06:14:01 PM

Quote from: NghtRppr on September 26, 2011, 06:12:21 PM

Why are you repeating yourself? I've already answered this. Nobody will live in a city where some guy's dad has a nuclear bomb that can be stolen like keys to the car. Would you?

So in your scenario, the people of Tuscon would have to up sticks and leave? Since there would be no way to actually stop someone having a nuke would there?

No, the people in Tuscon wouldn't move there in the first place if that were a possibility. The only way large cities will form is if the land is already set aside and has rules in place for it. The large land owners and developers will make sure that is the case. It's like the previous issue of "what if the guy that owns the road in front of my house wants a million dollars to use it". That would never happen because people wouldn't be inclined to live there in the first place.

What are you talking about? Tuscon isn't a dream city. Its real. It exists. And you would allow the possession of nukes there. Please explain how you protect the people of Tuscon from the likes of Jared Laughner with a nuke?

Or is it possible that giving Jared Laughner the right to own a nuke is just a bad idea?

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