Topic: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner - page 14. (Read 22699 times)

So you advocate setting aside reason? Ok, i understand. Thing is, charging to attack the guy you hate doesn't make your argument seem stronger, just weaker. Arguing against reason doesn't help your cause either.
Facts matter, and until there are facts this charade of guilty without evidence wears thin.
Funny part is, I suspect you know this.

No one appreciates you not setting aside reason in favor of conspiracy theories more than original FSA members from the old board days.

The absence of information is the proof of conspiracy. Wow, amazing thought process there.

Then there is this other idea...how about if we send in investigators to find the e-mails of the recipients of the e-mails. And, along the way, identify and prosecute those who destroyed e-mails.

I have no interest of protecting anyone who committed a crime, but a lot of interset in not setting aside reason in the process.

Lois Lerner should testify or pay whatever legal price may be applied. Anyone destroying e-mails should also face whatever legal remedy exists.

But making other claims makes people fools...fools without facts.

 

BTW, the IRS should interact with Justice on a regular basis to prosecute tax evaders.

Additionally, many of the conservative groups applying should have been denied...they are not social service providers at all, just Super Pacs.

Sorry, meant to add this...all he needs to do is stall these scandals from being fully exposed in all their glory just long enough to get out of office.  He knows that pursuing the truth after he is gone will result in nothing more than a Friday night news dump with 99% of the people won't hear about or care about.   And there is no way the next prez is going to do diddley squat about it in so far as it relates to him and probably not for those down the ladder either.

I dunno'.  I think his people do a lot of the administration's planning and he's sort of the very willing face of it all.  That's the impression I sometimes get anyway.  I don't get the impression that Obama is sitting in the Oval Office planning these nefarious deeds.  That's not to say that I think he disapproves of them.  I just don't think he's that involved with the minutiae.  

There's no point discussing the chances of it happening, it's just implausible.  So many IT engineers have commentated that it would take willful and concerted acts to seek out and destroy those emails.

It's undoubtedly a case of plausible deniability.  But you can be sure that if Obama wanted to cooperate fully, all relevant information would have already been handed over, sorted through, heads rolled, and case closed by now.  He knows damn well there was a systemic abuse of power, as does anyone who isn't a Bot.

We already know that it goes between lerner and the doj, we learned that from a previous email that the select committee found. Now suddenly after that email all emails are lost? And if the doj is involved then holder is and IMO if holder is obama is. Or should I say jarret is but there isn't much difference between jarret and obama anyway.

In any halfway decent backup system you would store the data at least twice, including at least one offsite backup, more likely three or four times.

So to say thay *all* instances of a set of data have been lost is pretty hard to believe.

Especially considered they actually used a * professional business* to do this, whose livelihood and reputation depends on actually preventing this kind of thing.

Exactly!! And this is common knowledge to anyone with even the slightest clue on how email works, so it can't be possible that all members of the Congressional hearing and their advisers are oblivious to this. This is starting to seem more and more like a smoke and mirrors distraction to keep the sheeple dumb to something else going on in the world right now.

Perhaps you need to look back to where I stated that I am not saying Obama did this, only that it obviously goes higher up the food chain than Lerner.  No wonder why he is so defensive though.

IRS Commissioner, in March: Lerner's Emails Are 'Stored in Servers'   http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/06/16/flashback-video-irs-commissioner-testified-lerners-emails-are-stored-in-servers-n1851831

Your timing is pretty good...
http://www.infowars.com/uc-professor-immigration-influx-is-about-re-education-of-society/

You insult 8th graders, or at least me when I was in 8th grade.  In 8th grade I was able to do basic algebra like 3x + 4 = 12.  I would say at least 75% of Americans natively born here would have to spend 30 seconds or more on this. In the 8th grade I knew who Magellan was, knew about 50 world capitols, and both of my state Senators - I would say less than 2% of all American citizens knows that, let alone those coming in illegally.

Bush's was in my opinion actually about average in this respect, although a great deal of money and effort was devoted to inflaming hatred of him on many fronts, which at the time made him seem the Devil Incarnate.

What we're seeing now is only the beginnings of the enabling of lawlessness.

You can blame it on Obama, but that won't fix the problems.  If the IRS is this easily bent, will they be similarly bent to the next admin?  Is that so if it is a Republican? As well as a Democrat?  Is that so only if the Attorney General is a complete mindless tool like Holder?
Does that mean all future AG will be such?

In case you have not noticed, what we have going on for several years is called a "Constitutional Crisis".  The above facts are why efforts are underway to increase the count and influence of "low information voters", of which the primary group will be illegal Mexicans.

They come in typically with an 8th grade education.

Total crap! I know it's been said many times before by many different people, but emails are not stored on the hard drive of a user's computer. I mean, a PST can be saved to the hard drive, but the email store is on a server that, for an organization as large as the IRS, will have RAID set up for redundancy and integrity (in other words, if one of the disks in the array crashes, depending on what RAID level is set up, then that disk can be replaced without any loss of data.) Then those servers will usually have a partial backup done daily and a full backup likely done weekly. There is NO WAY IN HELL those emails are truly lost just because her hard drive "crashed." This is easily attained knowledge (I have a Bachelor's of Science in Information Systems Management and have been in IT for 20 years), so the thought of Congress not being able to, or willing to, ask these questions just reeks of their continued incompetence and proof positive the the Obama administration is by far the most corrupt administration in the history of the U.S. And that says a lot, seeing as how corrupt Bush's administration was.

REVEALED: GOP Senator Targeted by Lerner
Ways and Means investigation uncovers push to audit Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA)



Washington, DC – Today, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) announced the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) targeting of conservative individuals includes a sitting United States Senator.  According to emails reviewed by the Committee under its Section 6103 authority, which allows the Committee to review confidential taxpayer information, Lois Lerner sought to have Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) referred for IRS examination.
 
“We have seen a lot of unbelievable things in this investigation, but the fact that Lois Lerner attempted to initiate an apparently baseless IRS examination against a sitting Republican United States Senator is shocking,” said Camp.  “At every turn, Lerner was using the IRS as a tool for political purposes in defiance of taxpayer rights.  We may never know the full extent of the abuse since the IRS conveniently lost two years of Lerner emails, not to mention those of other key figures in this scandal.  The fact that DOJ refuses to investigate the IRS’s abuses or appoint a special counsel demonstrates, yet again, this Administration’s unwillingness to uphold the rule of law.”

Background:
While the Ways and Means Committee investigation into Lerner’s involvement in the potential Grassley examination is ongoing, documents show that Lerner received an invitation to a speaking event that was intended for Senator Grassley.  Instead of forwarding the invitation to Grassley’s office, Lerner immediately suggested to others in her office that the issue should be referred for examination.  The Committee was able to investigate this information through its authority under Section 6103 of the tax code.  A waiver was signed by Senator Grassley and his wife in order to make this information public.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=385938

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No need to create another thread....


EPA Says Emails 'Missing' Too!




http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/210564-epa-says-hard-drive-crashed-emails-lost

My wife and myself both run professional business that have records going back 7 years.  I also have receipts going back 7 years in paper format.  I'm going to get a neat scanner, scan everything, and move all my monetary transactions records onto a Seagate 30GB hard drive from 1999.  I will then keep this hard drive sitting on the carpet and let my kids run over it.  I'll make sure the sun warms it up to a toasty 120F everyday.

Whoops, hard drive crashed.  Gotta recycle it now.  No soup for you!

How can the average American with limited resources be expected to do something the multi-trillion dollar government can't do.  Why don't they just make soldiers buy their own drones and Hum-Vs