Topic: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner - page 15. (Read 22699 times)
June 25, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
CNN: IRS Excuses Doesn't Pass 'Smell Test'
http://youtu.be/ppL2lYNK8EU
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June 25, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
June 25, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Eleanor Holmes Norton to IRS Commish: "All The Evidence Is On Your Side"
DEL. ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON (D-DC): It is vile enough to look a man in the face and accuse him of perjury without submitting any evidence. It is much worse when all of the evidence supports the version of the facts of the man you are facing. Whether it is that the Lerner crash occurred well before this investigation began. She must be clairvoyant. Whether it has been confirmed by the criminalization lab, all of the evidence is on your side, Mr. Koskinen.
And I want to point out for the record that the line of conspiracy hunting has shifted with the Lerner crash. For the longest time, the line of questioning was about one subject alone. So we have moved from one scapegoat to another. We just moved off of the notion that this was all a conspiracy directed on behalf of the White House — that also without a crumb of evidence.
Lacking evidence the crash provides new information provides new fodder. Just for the record Mr. Koskinen, have you identified any evidence since you have been commissioner that IRS employees before you came or now were part of a conspiracy to intentionally target the president’s political enemies?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/24/eleanor_holmes_norton_to_irs_commish_all_the_evidence_is_on_your_side.html#ooid=x5eWxmbjoWzEB6buyCPqIRJrSELxsbur
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It seems she agrees with sana
June 25, 2014, 11:57:32 AM
AHA! Proof that Obama did it....absolute proof...the emails are missing, Obama is black...he did it.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Obama is black? Not according to his mom...
Of course his mom wasn't exactly white angel...
...And I thought that was her nickname in her past photographic "modeling" life, "White Angel"...
June 25, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
AHA! Proof that Obama did it....absolute proof...the emails are missing, Obama is black...he did it.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Obama is black? Not according to his mom...
Of course his mom wasn't exactly white angel...
June 25, 2014, 11:20:19 AM
AHA! Proof that Obama did it....absolute proof...the emails are missing, Obama is black...he did it.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Obama is black? Not according to his mom...
And, of course.... Those:
http://i.imgur.com/G8ziKDq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QAG6YeG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EagSZt0.jpg
No one who believes the IRS is hiding something is automatically a racist. Or do you have irrefutable proofs of that?
June 25, 2014, 10:03:13 AM
Hehe I wonder if they want to subpoena the NSA for the emails :O
June 25, 2014, 09:52:01 AM
AHA! Proof that Obama did it....absolute proof...the emails are missing, Obama is black...he did it.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXl1GkWWGmA Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
June 25, 2014, 08:59:55 AM
CEO/Director says do something, IT professional says when and how.
These days it doesn't happen by accident.
These days it doesn't happen by accident.
June 25, 2014, 07:55:15 AM
AHA! Proof that Obama did it....absolute proof...the emails are missing, Obama is black...he did it.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
And then when you will realize that the IRS did not tell the investigation that due to an error they would have to go the extra mile to get the emails and therefore would be delayed in handing them over. And for those of us who live in our big kid clothes as rational and sane adults, we didn't need to run thru your scenario to realize the statement from the IRS didn't say they would merely be delayed in handing them over but that the emails were lost, gone, nonexistent and that line is nothing but bull. And that's because adults don't need to run the scenario thru their brain grasping for reasons to defend team obama. Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
June 25, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
I want to see 1, just 1 of the big 3 CBS NBC ABC make this the main story. Sure the world is going to hell in Iraq but the US government just declared war on its citizens (economic war).
June 25, 2014, 07:40:32 AM
AHA! Proof that Obama did it....absolute proof...the emails are missing, Obama is black...he did it.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
Jesus, look , anyone can stipulate that the lost emails smell bad and seem unbelievable...that takes three seconds.
But after that it takes a person with reasoning skills to grasp that an investigation will take place and if the IT experts are right, then the emails will be found somewhere in the system. Or, they will be located by those who sent or received them...remember, each e-mail is at two locations.
June 25, 2014, 07:25:43 AM
My, what an astonishing coincidence.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380444/dog-ate-my-e-mails-two-years-john-fund
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A growing number of computer professionals are stepping forward to say that none of this makes sense. Norman Cillo, a former program manager at Microsoft, toldThe Blaze: “I don’t know of any e-mail administrator [who] doesn’t have at least three ways of getting that mail back. It’s either on the disks or it’s on a TAPE backup someplace on an archive server.” Bruce Webster, an IT expert with 30 years of experience consulting with dozens of private companies, seconds this opinion: “It would take a catastrophic mechanical failure for Lerner’s drive to suffer actual physical damage, but in any case, the FBI should be able to recover something. And the FBI and the Justice Department know it.”
In March of this year, John Koskinen, the new IRS commissioner, testified before Congress that all the e-mails of IRS employees are “stored in servers.” The agency’s own manual specifies that it “provides for backup and recovery of records to protect against information loss or corruption.” The reason is simple. It is well known in legal and IT circles that failure to preserve e-mails can lead to a court ruling of “spoliation of evidence.” That means a judge or jury is then instructed to treat deletions as if they were deliberate destruction of incriminating evidence.
Why is the loss of the Lerner e-mails particularly important? Last year’s report by the IRS inspector general set out a timeline of the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups. A full 16 of the 26 non-redacted events in the inspector general’s timeline took place during the period for which all of Lerner’s e-mails were “lost,” and these 16 instances refer to “e-mail” as the source for information on that event. As tax expert Alan Joel points out, much of the context about how the IRS scandal developed and who may have known about it is now “lost” in the black hole the Lerner e-mails are supposed to have been sucked into.
In March of this year, John Koskinen, the new IRS commissioner, testified before Congress that all the e-mails of IRS employees are “stored in servers.” The agency’s own manual specifies that it “provides for backup and recovery of records to protect against information loss or corruption.” The reason is simple. It is well known in legal and IT circles that failure to preserve e-mails can lead to a court ruling of “spoliation of evidence.” That means a judge or jury is then instructed to treat deletions as if they were deliberate destruction of incriminating evidence.
Why is the loss of the Lerner e-mails particularly important? Last year’s report by the IRS inspector general set out a timeline of the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups. A full 16 of the 26 non-redacted events in the inspector general’s timeline took place during the period for which all of Lerner’s e-mails were “lost,” and these 16 instances refer to “e-mail” as the source for information on that event. As tax expert Alan Joel points out, much of the context about how the IRS scandal developed and who may have known about it is now “lost” in the black hole the Lerner e-mails are supposed to have been sucked into.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380444/dog-ate-my-e-mails-two-years-john-fund
June 25, 2014, 04:33:15 AM
I think this is the final litmus test of what Americans are willing to tolerate. The news/MSM can only handle so much backlash in this digital age. I recognize 50% of the populace couldn't care less what happens as long as it doesn't interrupt their GTA V game, but the other 50% regardless of political affiliation has to agree that having multiple layers of government flat our lie to the American public when they've been caught with their hands in the cookie jar is grounds to revolt/impeachment/a bitch slap.
All we need is an IT guy to do the napkin math to show the chances of that much date being "lost" on the many platforms is as likely as a private key is to be brute forced.
...gets off soapbox to go play GTA V (nah, never played any of the GTA games).
All we need is an IT guy to do the napkin math to show the chances of that much date being "lost" on the many platforms is as likely as a private key is to be brute forced.
...gets off soapbox to go play GTA V (nah, never played any of the GTA games).
June 25, 2014, 01:34:05 AM
Since it's obvious that this is some sort of coverup that would require two years of emails needed for the investigation to be wiped out at multiple levels, why do you think such a thing would be done? I'm not saying it goes straight to the president, but it would stand to reason that it goes pretty high up the food chain, don't you think? Otherwise, how and why would it be done?
There is no evidence of a cover-up at this point, though that may later be determined. So assigning blame to an unproven charge is, may i suggest, not very honest.You seem to prefer we know the emails are missing...conspiracy!
Ah...I'm afraid you have it backwards. There WAS a conspiracy. There WAS a coverup. The committee is investigating it. Evidence was subpoenaed concerning the conspiracy. The exact reasons for the coverup are not known.
The "lost" emails would simply have explained who was in it, and when.
Personality I think it's about testing the limits of capability of their new American Fascist State, where the Attorney General looks the other way on everything his administration does wrong, and the media are silent when needed.
The actual limits of this new concept have not yet been found, of course. We don't really know where or when people will put their feet down. Or how.
This administration lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. Time for congress to man up and start squeezing the little guys to tell them what the big guys ordered them to do. I suspect this scandal is going to get wider than tea party groups.
Then again, maybe they will. I'm seeing a lot of disgust toward the administration from the same people that supported him years ago. I agree, the time for Mr. Nice Guy games is over. Those running on opposition tickets to Democrats this November need to be honest and call this stuff out like it is.
People are watching now. Any hint of such activity would hopefully be immediately called out. If I recall correctly Nixon's 2nd article of impeachment was for just this kind of thing.
Under Nixon professional political hacks went after each other.
What we are witnessing is the all powerful IRS breaking the law, then going after american citizens.
June 25, 2014, 12:41:23 AM
Since it's obvious that this is some sort of coverup that would require two years of emails needed for the investigation to be wiped out at multiple levels, why do you think such a thing would be done? I'm not saying it goes straight to the president, but it would stand to reason that it goes pretty high up the food chain, don't you think? Otherwise, how and why would it be done?
There is no evidence of a cover-up at this point, though that may later be determined. So assigning blame to an unproven charge is, may i suggest, not very honest.You seem to prefer we know the emails are missing...conspiracy!
Ah...I'm afraid you have it backwards. There WAS a conspiracy. There WAS a coverup. The committee is investigating it. Evidence was subpoenaed concerning the conspiracy. The exact reasons for the coverup are not known.
The "lost" emails would simply have explained who was in it, and when.
Personality I think it's about testing the limits of capability of their new American Fascist State, where the Attorney General looks the other way on everything his administration does wrong, and the media are silent when needed.
The actual limits of this new concept have not yet been found, of course. We don't really know where or when people will put their feet down. Or how.
This administration lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. Time for congress to man up and start squeezing the little guys to tell them what the big guys ordered them to do. I suspect this scandal is going to get wider than tea party groups.
Then again, maybe they will. I'm seeing a lot of disgust toward the administration from the same people that supported him years ago. I agree, the time for Mr. Nice Guy games is over. Those running on opposition tickets to Democrats this November need to be honest and call this stuff out like it is.
People are watching now. Any hint of such activity would hopefully be immediately called out. If I recall correctly Nixon's 2nd article of impeachment was for just this kind of thing.
June 25, 2014, 12:36:27 AM
Since it's obvious that this is some sort of coverup that would require two years of emails needed for the investigation to be wiped out at multiple levels, why do you think such a thing would be done? I'm not saying it goes straight to the president, but it would stand to reason that it goes pretty high up the food chain, don't you think? Otherwise, how and why would it be done?
There is no evidence of a cover-up at this point, though that may later be determined. So assigning blame to an unproven charge is, may i suggest, not very honest.You seem to prefer we know the emails are missing...conspiracy!
Ah...I'm afraid you have it backwards. There WAS a conspiracy. There WAS a coverup. The committee is investigating it. Evidence was subpoenaed concerning the conspiracy. The exact reasons for the coverup are not known.
The "lost" emails would simply have explained who was in it, and when.
Personality I think it's about testing the limits of capability of their new American Fascist State, where the Attorney General looks the other way on everything his administration does wrong, and the media are silent when needed.
The actual limits of this new concept have not yet been found, of course. We don't really know where or when people will put their feet down. Or how.
This administration lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. Time for congress to man up and start squeezing the little guys to tell them what the big guys ordered them to do. I suspect this scandal is going to get wider than tea party groups.
Then again, maybe they will. I'm seeing a lot of disgust toward the administration from the same people that supported him years ago. I agree, the time for Mr. Nice Guy games is over. Those running on opposition tickets to Democrats this November need to be honest and call this stuff out like it is.
June 24, 2014, 11:31:02 PM
Since it's obvious that this is some sort of coverup that would require two years of emails needed for the investigation to be wiped out at multiple levels, why do you think such a thing would be done? I'm not saying it goes straight to the president, but it would stand to reason that it goes pretty high up the food chain, don't you think? Otherwise, how and why would it be done?
There is no evidence of a cover-up at this point, though that may later be determined. So assigning blame to an unproven charge is, may i suggest, not very honest.You seem to prefer we know the emails are missing...conspiracy!
Ah...I'm afraid you have it backwards. There WAS a conspiracy. There WAS a coverup. The committee is investigating it. Evidence was subpoenaed concerning the conspiracy. The exact reasons for the coverup are not known.
The "lost" emails would simply have explained who was in it, and when.
Personality I think it's about testing the limits of capability of their new American Fascist State, where the Attorney General looks the other way on everything his administration does wrong, and the media are silent when needed.
The actual limits of this new concept have not yet been found, of course. We don't really know where or when people will put their feet down. Or how.
This administration lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. Time for congress to man up and start squeezing the little guys to tell them what the big guys ordered them to do. I suspect this scandal is going to get wider than tea party groups.
June 24, 2014, 10:33:23 PM
Since it's obvious that this is some sort of coverup that would require two years of emails needed for the investigation to be wiped out at multiple levels, why do you think such a thing would be done? I'm not saying it goes straight to the president, but it would stand to reason that it goes pretty high up the food chain, don't you think? Otherwise, how and why would it be done?
There is no evidence of a cover-up at this point, though that may later be determined. So assigning blame to an unproven charge is, may i suggest, not very honest.You seem to prefer we know the emails are missing...conspiracy!
Ah...I'm afraid you have it backwards. There WAS a conspiracy. There WAS a coverup. The committee is investigating it. Evidence was subpoenaed concerning the conspiracy. The exact reasons for the coverup are not known.
The "lost" emails would simply have explained who was in it, and when.
Personality I think it's about testing the limits of capability of their new American Fascist State, where the Attorney General looks the other way on everything his administration does wrong, and the media are silent when needed.
The actual limits of this new concept have not yet been found, of course. We don't really know where or when people will put their feet down. Or how.
June 24, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
At first I thought this was a partisan hack job, but the more I hear about it, I honestly wonder if they Republicans might be on to something. It is entirely disturbing to me that the agency that is capable of wrecking your financial life if you do not save proper documentation for something like 7 years relies on a single hard drive to store important communications. Whether this is pure incompetence of malfeasance, it reeks either way.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7455251
At first they were using an offsite back up system since 2005, Sonasoft. Then out of bad strange luck coincidence what difference does that make I did not have sex with that woman you can keep you plan. Period!... They have canceled their back up contract too, a few weeks around the same time those back up were needed...
...Murphy's law I guess.... Jump to: