Topic: Is 1miau fit for DT? - page 6. (Read 3709 times)

I could do the same, or I can publish it, I dont care. So if there is such a list, put my name on it.

PM message was sent to me by 1miau and I ignored it, than the user Nestade came and sent me his messages as well. He write me to change my trust post and if I dont, DT will react!

I can post part of the message here:

I think that's a very good idea @yahoo and I'm also prepared to post the PM, even though I'm very clearly insulted in it (and not just me). But I would only post the PM with 1miau's permission, it is a "private message" after all. Alternatively, I can submit the PM to a (preferably German-speaking) mod and he will confirm the content. That's just as ok for me.

So true. No different than a boss taking advantage of his employees saying suck my dick or i'll fire you. It's just wrong to use your power like this.

@mikeywith would it be possible for you to compile a list(some reference points) where you show 1miau abusing members and silencing them? It would be easier for anyone reviewing the case to just be able to click the links and see the abuse. Also, maybe some feedbacks you feel are political. Up to you.

To anyone who is speaking up or thinking about it, please also include reference links or pms so that it can be reviewed. You want something done, you have to grow some balls and show the proof. You cannot be tagged for speaking up as it would look terrible for 1miau if he tagged you.

To sum it up, the burden is on mikey and others to show/provide proof if they want change. At this point 1miau should remain quiet. If no proof is presented, case closed and everyone goes about their business.

I have to admit that @mikeywith is quite right here. Why? Because I myself thought long and hard about whether I should write something about it here or not.

Some context ...
You and I actually had a very good relationship and I'm still grateful to you today for the tip about Avalanche back then. But things changed abruptly once I disagreed with you about a year ago and took the liberty of criticizing the way you treat other users which have an other (political) view than you do. You then wrote me a very aggressive and insulting PM where you also threatened me that you would not look at this for much longer and would take action against me. I was very surprised by your behavior, I just didn't think you were like that as a person.

To be honest, the threat of consequences also led to me completely ignoring you and your posts for a long time and even now I'm still reluctant from entering into discussions with you ... and I very much hope that this thread will now lead you to reflect on your behavior. The first hints in this direction can already be seen, I really appreciate that.

Personally, I would be very happy if we could get the old 1miau of "pre-corona" back in the German-speaking board. The positive trust entry I made dates back to that time.  

1- I am not a DT member
2- I am not trying dictate your feedback, this is a false accusation, it would be true if I asked you to send me a positive feedback, or to remove a feedback on some scammer profile.

I am asking for a fair usage of the trust system, which is whiting my rights as forum member, you are not obligated to accept it, you could ignore this thread the same way I ignored yours against me, you want to "end" this, not me, I do not view this as a "battle" where one needs to win for it to stop, I view it as an opportunity for the afraid to have the courage to speak up against what "they" think is an abuse on them, so if this has to stay here forever, I am fine by it, I will have to stop posting here at some point but I won't stop others from expressing their opinion.

This topic will eventually lose it's value and people will ignore it when one of three things happen

1- your removal from DT
2- you changing your way of dealing with the system ( including past political b.s feedback)
3- everyone who has been a victim of yours loses hope in the community and nobody posts here anymore.


To avoid any further drama and spare the community another 70 or so pages on this, I am willing to go with option 2, but then you say you won't delete your feedback, this means, there will still be victims affected by your abuse, I and many others (including the victims) view your feedback that says something like " Pro Russian, not to be trusted bla bla" as an abuse, in the same way I would view "Pro Ukrainian, not to be trusted bla bla".

So if the abuse is still there, how can we settle this? If you say it is not abuse and its warrant, then we go back to square zero.

I have never spent more time on this board than I did in the last couple of days, so I will not comment here any further unless a direct question is pointed to me although I hope nobody asks me anything anymore because I feel that I have said everything I need to say here.

If you have anything "new" to say to me personally, feel free to PM me, this way we could both stop drilling this thread.

Your repeated accusations and name calling is achieving exactly nothing.
In addition, that's setting an extremely dangerous precedent, where one power-hungry DT member is trying to dictate another member's ability to give out trust feedbacks.
And you are acting against DT consensus, which is even more concerning! 
And DT will probably remove you, not me.
So, let's go back to a civil discussion how to solve the issue, we have had enough back and forth already.

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Definitely, that's how we can discuss and that's how we can find common ground. I agree in general to follow that path. I'm willing to concede my red line that no one should be able to dictate my feedback for some time to calm down the situation between us. That way, people are not "afraid anymore to speak out", like you call it (where I'm having a fundamentally different opinion of course but we have that discussed already and let's agree to disagree here). So let's follow that goal for now, that we fullfill your statement, you've voiced here.
That's a very generous offer in my opinion from my side.
But you need to concede ground as well. Old feedbacks are not on the table as they are a thing of the past and otherwise DT would have removed me, which didn't happen - it's relevant what happens from now on, after we have agreed to find a solution for this.
In addition I'm conceding to you that if there is any trust feedback (not exclusions) you consider abuse, you are allowed to unlock this topic and to start a poll in this topic, where DT members (and only DT members) can vote, if that's abuse. Both of us will have to accept the decision from that DT vote.

So, I'll concede some ground, you'll concede some ground and we will find a solution, where both of us are happy. 

The number of PMs I got here and on telegram regarding this subject in the past 4 days is probably more than I ever got in a month, this is the saddest part about all of this, it's like we are in the most miserable dictatorship forum where people are afraid to speak up, a forum where cursing is allowed, scam is allowed, but freedom of speech is a privilege to just a few of us, this has become far less "free community" than the centralized social media like the likes of Facebook.

But if you were to ask me, this isn't 1miau's and the other abusers' fault entirely, the most part falls on those who are willing to trade their freedom of speech for a few bucks a week from signature campaigns, those pool people are brainwashed to think that someone like 1miau operates in a large network where he is protected by all other DT members and that nobody will stand by their side against him, those people have little to no clue about the forum history, Lauda was thought to be someone who controls not only other DT members but theymos himself, but all of that turned out to be an illusion and when enough people stood up against him, he fell (which was a sad end for Lauda if you ask me, but ya that's off-topic)

So ya, oppression ends when fear does, nobody should be scared of any DT member, all DT members are just human, they are subject to make mistakes and thus need to be pointed at and fixed, or removed from DT, if everyone grow some balls -- the forum will be a better place.

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Ok, it's good to see you come to somewhat common sense, although we still have a major disagreement about what is "abuse", also, there is no mention of your past feedback, we agree to what happens to the future, but you do not seem to consider your previous feedback.

if you were to show serious behavior correction, by deleting all political feedback you left (including neutral) then I will take you seriously and agree to your terms, be it to lock this topic till next year or even forever.

Obviously, this doesn't mean you can delete feedback that says " Putin supporter, bla bla bla" and add a new one that says "He is a troll", or to continue to exclude everyone who disagrees with your statements, as Yahoo told you,  many people are going to be watching you, I hope you don't try to outsmart everyone and to actually be honest about leaving all the political and personal drama outside of the trust system.

I do not want to win or score a point against you, after all, as I mentioned before, the goal was never to get you out of DT, the goal is to point you to what I (and many others think) is a form of abuse. if I had the power to choose between getting you out of DT or stopping you from using the trust system for political-related stuff, I would always choose the latter as long as there is hope in you.

Also just so that this whole thing does not end up with me "winning" anything out of it, I would urge you to keep me in your exclusion forever.

Unfortunately, calling names and keep bringing up the same old, wrong accusations is not going to settle the issue.
What's going to settle the issue is trying how to get along with each other, where everyone has to concede some ground. I'm already willing to concede some ground while mikeywith still isn't willing to concede even a little bit.

It is good that there are people like you here, thank you for doing this.

I am ready, users who do not want to post here in their name that they can write to me and I will post it "unknown". You can send me a private message and I will add it. I wont create a new thread in the German local yet, but I will save me this one here and maybe do that in the future if it doesnt change. The attacks have been going on for far too long and at some point it is time to react.Action / Reaction - thats quite normal.

So, like bullrun2024, I using the ignore button, it becomes quieter and we can all get on with our lives.

I don't know, which is why I asked, hopping other campaign managers would answer too.

 I do not know because I barely check to be honest, but it is not uncommon for campaign managers to add this rule


Had that manager not cared about the feedback, said member would not be scared of 1miau.

So, since you as a campaign manager still accept members with negative feedback, IMO you are doing a great job and I think all other campaign managers who still don't should follow the same way.

This would really serve the community big time IMO.

Pointless? Finding a solution is pointless? Yes, maybe for drama lovers like you... 
I'm just following what LoyceV suggested here, to find an agreement to settle on instead of my suggestion of a 3rd party DT member decision: 


But we all know that you don't like DT, digaran!
You are not interested to find a solution.
You are just here to create drama.
You are just here to sow discord.
Your backfired attempts to discredit me everywhere, there's a new topic from Poker Player about you. This topic is spot on.

Lets get back on the topic to find a solution:

Why are you waiting for approval or disapproval from others? If you can't decide on your own, people will have to go through the same arguments over and over, life goes on, you could continue contributing while off DT, let those top 10-20 DT members handle this part of community and you handle merit distribution part, just without having the ability to scare people off this forum or trying to force them into submission at will.

I will find an updated list of those having you on their list, talking with you is pointless, lets see if they are sensible or not.

@digaran
I'm just trying to find a solution where we both can agree on. That's what LoyceV also wants us to do.
We can also wait for a call that is given from 2 or 3 Top 10 or 20 DT members and both of us have to accept that.
Repeated rants don't bring any solution, its just sowing discord.

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Another suggestion for mikeywith, where I'm ready to concede ground:

Lets lock this topic until 01.01.2024 that the dust settles.
You can watch my feedbacks and trust list changes until then.
If you think, from now on until 01.01.2024 there would be "abuse" according to you, you could open this topic again, presenting evidence.
The outcomes:
- If the evidence is weak, DT will judge that accordingly.
- If the evidence is true and DT confirms this, I'll accept further distrusts from DT members.
- If there's no abuse, the topic will remain closed and we will move on.

You could review my trust feedback and trust list any time, from every entry that happens from now on until then. That way, you could interfere into my DT decisions for some time.
So you see, I'm ready to concede massive ground to find a solution here. I'm stepping back from the demand that any interference into my DT decisions is not acceptable.
I'm stepping back from my demand.
So, as I've said I'm ready to concede this massive ground to you.
How about that?

@1miau, why is it so hard for you to explain for everyone just for one time, and then go on with your life?

It's really simple, you initially tagged me with red, which prompted me to post a thread on this same board, but later you changed it to neutral

You assumed because some kid is saying I might have deserved the tag, immediately went and updated your feedback with a different ref link, because the first one had an excuse such as trolling, but the second one was "legit" in your eyes, you chose that and kept laughing at me.

The phrase living in my head rent free, was mentioned by Vod, you quickly picked that up as a good catch phrase, someone accused me, you picked that up as an excuse, someone here defends you, then you assume the whole world is on your side. You keep arguing with mikeywith as if he is the only one you are dealing with here, maybe you haven't figured it out, he was prompted by my topic on you, otherwise he had already forgotten your childish behaviour.

And I know the so called esteemed and so called neutral DTs won't say anything here addressing my case, because siding with a "known scammer" is a bad thing, you know?

But why do you keep evading to answer the questions? Or are you going to keep deviating the subject directed at mikeywith?

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I just hate being a upward spit of this community, don't say I didn't tell you.

digaran either you do not give attention to what you read or you are not able to look at details or you are blind. One of these three must be true.
Anyone who have a little interest in my activities, knows very well that how I see JollyGood, Ratimov, and in the recent time the company Rollbit.

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men was a topic came out of frustration. At some point I felt I am the only one who was always loud against JollyGood, Ratimov, and Rollbit. But turns out many members do not want to see what I saw in them. Those who agrees are afraid to deal in public but very comfortable to inform their stand in private with me and request me to do something for them.

I tried many times to speak for them [those requests] before I realized there are no point to continue because some people started to take everything lightly and thinking I have personal problem with these members. So I retied from JollyGood, Ratimov and Rollbit.

I rejoined Ratimov because finally someone was brave enough and was able to connect all the pieces of the puzzle together to open others eyes. I have no intention to rejoin for JollyGood and Rollbit again until someone else does very similar like GazetaBitcoin did to expose Ratimov.

JollyGood is a trust and feedback abuser, he hostage his victim with negative feedback but many failed to understand it. JollyGood even is a scammer who was not able to pay a user $100 a long time ago but he someone tricked the whole community and got the pass.
 
I was one of the user who was very laud against Ratimov but in the recent time it seems every one opened their eyes. Thanks to GazetaBitcoin.

Rollbit are scammers and very soon they will have very similar fate like Betnomi. Unfortunately Hhampuz always thinks I am wrong and he is manipulating a number of people to support and advertise Rollbit.

Do you think that in the campaigns I manage there are no users with red tags?

Btw, the political position has nothing to do with when someone justifies the killing of Ukrainians (or any other nation). Therefore, if you were an incredibly high-quality poster, you had 100 positive reviews, then I would not care about it and I would definitely not accept you into the campaign.

What do you think I do?

I recommend that you look through the lists of Webmixer, eXch, MixTum or UniJoin and tell me what % of people wearing advertising signatures are spammers. And what % of spammers are in other campaigns? Then we will have a clear comparison of those who accept users in the campaign really because of the quality of posts.

Anyone who looks at DT from a power standpoint doesn't deserve to be there, although in reality it all means little considering that 95% of users using the feedback system are misusing it... sending positive and negative feedback for any reason .

In addition, I repeatedly refused to those who were in the top 10 most recognizable, asking to remove this or that participant from the campaign (btw, some of them also spread rumors that the now deceased Zepher was a drug addict all his life). That’s why I don’t agree with you that someone can dictate their terms to someone.

I know your opinion and I agree to disagree. Let's move on without misleading statements, lies and name-calling. This topic is a wall of 7 pages now.



I disagree to the way how you are expressing this by using emotionally loaded words once again. That's not helpful to find common ground.
But I will accept your call that you distrust me and I will live with it.


So, what about this call?
Let's find a solution, where we both can agree on:  

1miau if you are going to keep ranting and responding to every single post, why do you pretend like you want to stop all of this? initially, you succeeded in manipulating other members into thinking that this was a personal issue between you and me, so the solution proposed by some of them was "to ignore each other and move on", now that more people had the courage to talk about your abuse -- it's very evident to the community this isn't 1miau vs mikeywith.

You can keep attacking everyone who speaks the truth about you, and you know because you have nothing better to do outside the forum, you think you can always beat them with your endless ranting knowing that they will likely stop before you do because no sane person is willing to spend his whole life arguing here, which does not seem to apply to you.

given how many victims of your oppression showed up and will still show, any rational DT member will eventually conclude that the whole issue is your narcissistic personality disorder, you are so obsessed with punishing everyone who disagrees with you, be it regarding a political conflict or even something as little as setting up a node, the only solution to your misery is getting you out of DT whereby your oppression is going to be kept at bay.

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A message to every 1miau's victim out there who is afraid to show up here and speak up: you only have a single life to live, don't live it cowardly, oppression ends when fear does, 1miau does not control other DT members (he probably has a few "friends" who will stick with him despite his abuse but they will give up on him at one point) but that doesn't mean that there are not enough rational brave DT members who will always choose to side with the truth -- you just need to have the balls to speak up and they will eventually do the right thing.

I added the narcissistic 1miau to my exclusion list, because after 4 days of back and forth, it's pretty clear that he has no plans of correcting his behavior, he is counting on the negativity of other DT members to just let his abuse slip.

I was trying to give you the benefit of doubt for a very long time. But after all the things piling up from late 2022 on, this was very hard to give a pass at some point.
I have no problem if any of my posts gets criticism but this has to be in a civil way and if you are replying in my self-moderated topic of our campaign, you have to accept the rules of self-moderation. Removed posts were even allowed to post again but with proper German language, so no opinion was stifled. Your suggestion that opinions were stifled in that self-moderated topic is simply wrong.
Ignoring the self-moderated rules repeatedly despite me giving reminders of that Bitcointalk rules, is a Bitcointalk nettiquette violation.

I hope the above statement answers your question.
If we could sort out this one, what in general caused this whole drama, it's beneficial to see how this can prevented in the future.  

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My call would be that'll try to get along with all members, even if we disagree.
Two suggestions:

- We can keep the topic open and have a civil discussion, without misleading accusations.
- We can close the topic and DT has now 6 pages to read up on. In this case I would give in on this and give mikeywith the last reply in this topic before it's getting closed.

I'm okay with both of the above solutions.  

That sounds a lot like being a kindergarten teacher. I'm not doing that.
I've made my point too many times already: ignore each other, and move on. You don't even have to wait for the other guy to do this, either one of you can abandon this drama at any moment. That's what I tried to do but because there's really nothing more I can add, but somehow it keeps coming back to me.

I'm all for making your own call.

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