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Quote from: Y3shot on September 27, 2023, 04:56:53 AM

I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.

In this day and age, it seems to be a matter of luck if you get a job. Because of the number of applicants, you just have to wait, see, and find a job. Because not everyone who graduates is looking for a job right away.

Now, when they get a job, even if it's as a degree holder, their income is still below the minimum wage. What they will pay will still help instead of nothing compared to them hanging around anyway, but they will not be able to provide financial freedom, especially without a high position at work.

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Quote from: Bushdark on November 11, 2023, 02:01:47 PM

Education is good but do not bring income to us. We need to use the knowledge we have gathered to establish ourselves and create better business if we have the funds. There are people that have the mentality that they are going to rich when they go school. School or education is never the key to success.
There are many people that are graduate now and still don't have the sense to make money for themselves or become and entrepreneur that is really to create businesses so they can employ other graduates to work for them.

Academic education does not guarantee you achieve success but provides knowledge to design strategies to build a business, many academic people achieve success in different fields because they have the resources to think and learn to understand new knowledge, but the average person who does not go to school does not have a job and some of those who are successful. Education is the main thing that is mandatory for everyone and the government has regulated legislation for compulsory education up to high school, I hope everyone understands basic education for their own abilities, because without an education degree it will be difficult to apply for a job

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as I posted in the previous post, education can make us all free from ignorance, when our knowledge is good then whatever we want to achieve will be easy to achieve, apart from that when there are indications of fraud approaching us, the insight or education we have Get it can be a protective shield from the frauds, education doesn't always make people successful but education is the best privilege for today's future, don't be lazy to continue improving your education, even Elon Musk took his Master's degree when his business was already big.

Education is good but do not bring income to us. We need to use the knowledge we have gathered to establish ourselves and create better business if we have the funds. There are people that have the mentality that they are going to rich when they go school. School or education is never the key to success.
There are many people that are graduate now and still don't have the sense to make money for themselves or become and entrepreneur that is really to create businesses so they can employ other graduates to work for them.

Education helps you to have knowledge of a certain thing if you're taking a degree for example in engineering, If you are applying for this kind of job, mostly of the company would prefer people who have graduated and have a degree which means they have the knowledge for an engineering that studied for years. They cannot risk hiring someone who's not knowledgeable enough for an engineering role, cause not only you would receive good pay but you are also risking someone's life by building a solid structure. In short, education is just a key for you to have the privilege to apply for a high-paying job that could eventually achieve your goal and success. The thing is, we all have a different way of earning money to reach our goals, it is either being employed or building your own business. Cause for sure if you are the boss of the business you will pay someone who's good at handling money like for accounting cause they have the knowledge you don't. It's just you would pick what suits you.

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Quote from: Renampun on November 10, 2023, 05:23:38 PM

as I posted in the previous post, education can make us all free from ignorance, when our knowledge is good then whatever we want to achieve will be easy to achieve, apart from that when there are indications of fraud approaching us, the insight or education we have Get it can be a protective shield from the frauds, education doesn't always make people successful but education is the best privilege for today's future, don't be lazy to continue improving your education, even Elon Musk took his Master's degree when his business was already big.

Education is good but do not bring income to us. We need to use the knowledge we have gathered to establish ourselves and create better business if we have the funds. There are people that have the mentality that they are going to rich when they go school. School or education is never the key to success.
There are many people that are graduate now and still don't have the sense to make money for themselves or become and entrepreneur that is really to create businesses so they can employ other graduates to work for them.

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Quote from: Jamestown70 on November 08, 2023, 08:57:36 PM

Getting a degree helps to broaden someone's thinking mentality socializing while trying to get a degree is very vital to ones success partially, getting a degree can help and also expose the person to more presentable opportunity in life unlike the ones without a degree if there is no work in that region the person should improvise learn some digital skill and create a niche for him or her self

I agree with you on this. The mentality of a degree holder and a person without a degree are not the same. It is advised that, all those who find themselves in countries with little job opportunities should as a matter of necessity acquire skills in addition to their degrees. Degree plus skills makes life favourable, you'll hardly get stuck but also note that a degree is very important.

Take for instant, a seamstress without a degree only believes in acquiring a small space where they will sew. No advertisement, no promotions and the seamstress might do little or nothing at all to influence her brand. She only believes customers who passby will locate her. This act will only limit her customer base and possibly hinder the growth of her business. On the other hand, a degree holder who has undergone training on different marketing skills and how to reach out to customers no matter the distance will do better.

Academic pursuit makes one prepared for any opportunity. This opportunities might be delayed but when it finally comes, you should not be caught unprepared.

Let's have a fact check: there are people who are not degree holders but have been more successful in life than degree holders. why? because undergraduates have become more risk-takers than degree holders, right?

So, when it comes to dreams, it means that there are more open-minded non-graduates than degree holders. There are more motivated undergraduates than degree holders. Although I don't understand everything,

You would be able to say that they are more risk takers just because they dont really have the choice.Why? We know that having no degree would really be putting you at disadvantage on trying out to
find or look for some job but still having those person have degree would be the edge on which means that they would really be jobless in the end of the day but since people doesnt really easily
give up then this is where these undergrads would really be making themselves risks takers on which trying out to involved on things which they do seem that it could bring out profits or money into them even if its a bit risky and something that it is really that out of their skills but they do really have that kind of dedication to make their lives way more better.

Im not saying that graduates or having degree have the edge most of the time on which it is really that in fact true about to those who are those people dont have degree which
have that more successful life to those who had finished their studies but we do know the numbers arent really that too huge for us to convince ourselves on not to
take any degree which it is really that a very wrong mindset to have.

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for example of a big country like the US, where the unemployment rate for graduates is 4,1% as of April 2023. meanwhile, in my country, it's 8,3% in the latest update. Some people might think there are a lot of unemployed folks because they didn't land recognized jobs, but the truth is they're still earning.

It could be because there is no recognition of the work they do so that people think the percentage of unemployment is very large and I myself also think so if I don't see the percentage like you shared. But there are times when this percentage is not completely accurate, such as poverty percentage data which is often released by the government and it could be that the percentage input taken does not cover the entire human population.

Quote from: bayu7adi on November 08, 2023, 03:14:21 AM

When you decide to pursue education solely for the purpose of getting a job, it seems like a template followed by many, sorry if I see it as a realistic robot-like approach. I prefer someone who learns with the aim of gaining knowledge and lets jobs that require knowledgeable individuals come to them.

There is nothing wrong with people's approaches and thinking patterns like that, but what I mean is that education is not a strong reason for people to get a decent job like they want because there are many people working in sectors that were not in demand before. But slowly they start to enjoy it because there are not much better opportunities in other sectors to work. Education is a place to gain knowledge and work requires skills and will provide opportunities for those who have skills.

Quote from: bayu7adi on November 08, 2023, 03:14:21 AM

Make the company apply to you, not you who apply to the company. This is the level where you will truly have more value than the average person.

This depends on how the company sees the individual and skill should be a strong reason to choose us, not because they have had higher education which is their reference in assessing them.

People pursue education means basically to have a better life, but then better life is defined as having better paid job. the thing about having higher degree of education will make you get a better paid job is only applied in developed countries, because other than those countries, they have no systems to direct graduated students to have the jobs that aligned with their degrees.

more companies choose experienced employers rather than educated employers. this is the situation that creates stigma than education wont guarantee a better paid job, and that education is just a choice, not necessity.

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Quote from: Renampun on November 10, 2023, 05:23:38 PM

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 09, 2023, 04:33:57 AM

Nothing will be wasted if something is really needed for ourselves, for example a degree that can indicate a person's expertise in what field. Because an educational degree can reflect that a person has basic knowledge in a particular field when he wants to apply for a job in his own area, so there is nothing wrong with any degree. Because there are also many successful people who rely on degrees even though they are also accompanied by the experience they have had themselves through their life environment.

No harm done if you happen to acquire a degree and further studies.
If you have the chance and funds, it won't hurt achieving such milestone in your life.
Later on, you will thank yourself for having one. It will also give you edge among your competitors.
Even if you set-up your own business, still, having a degree is an advantage in my opinion.
It will give you sufficient knowledge not to be screwed by others or at least embark those challenging roles that you will encounter of.

as I posted in the previous post, education can make us all free from ignorance, when our knowledge is good then whatever we want to achieve will be easy to achieve, apart from that when there are indications of fraud approaching us, the insight or education we have Get it can be a protective shield from the frauds, education doesn't always make people successful but education is the best privilege for today's future, don't be lazy to continue improving your education, even Elon Musk took his Master's degree when his business was already big.

It makes sense and simply in my opinion is that a highly educated person has a broader understanding of whatever they are going to do, of course in balance with the times, they have a better way to achieve something because they have a broader insight than people who do not finish school or are not educated. As you said, if there are indications of fraud coming, they will know it because they have enough insight to prevent harmful things from happening. I am not saying that the uneducated do not have the opportunity to succeed, but the difference is that they have to work harder to achieve it because in terms of their knowledge it is limited and they will not know about some indications that can be detrimental, so maybe simply in my opinion the educated and the uneducated are the same they have the opportunity to achieve success, but the difference is in terms of failure maybe the uneducated will experience many failures than the educated, the problem is in their limited knowledge.

So everyone has a good chance to be able to achieve success, education does not affect whether you can succeed or not, but with education and broad insight it will make it easier for you to achieve success.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 10, 2023, 12:35:34 AM

Quote from: Jamestown70 on November 08, 2023, 08:57:36 PM

Getting a degree helps to broaden someone's thinking mentality socializing while trying to get a degree is very vital to ones success partially, getting a degree can help and also expose the person to more presentable opportunity in life unlike the ones without a degree if there is no work in that region the person should improvise learn some digital skill and create a niche for him or her self

I agree with you on this. The mentality of a degree holder and a person without a degree are not the same. It is advised that, all those who find themselves in countries with little job opportunities should as a matter of necessity acquire skills in addition to their degrees. Degree plus skills makes life favourable, you'll hardly get stuck but also note that a degree is very important.

Take for instant, a seamstress without a degree only believes in acquiring a small space where they will sew. No advertisement, no promotions and the seamstress might do little or nothing at all to influence her brand. She only believes customers who passby will locate her. This act will only limit her customer base and possibly hinder the growth of her business. On the other hand, a degree holder who has undergone training on different marketing skills and how to reach out to customers no matter the distance will do better.

Academic pursuit makes one prepared for any opportunity. This opportunities might be delayed but when it finally comes, you should not be caught unprepared.

Let's have a fact check: there are people who are not degree holders but have been more successful in life than degree holders. why? because undergraduates have become more risk-takers than degree holders, right?

So, when it comes to dreams, it means that there are more open-minded non-graduates than degree holders. There are more motivated undergraduates than degree holders. Although I don't understand everything,

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 09, 2023, 04:15:50 PM

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Nothing will be wasted if something is really needed for ourselves, for example a degree that can indicate a person's expertise in what field. Because an educational degree can reflect that a person has basic knowledge in a particular field when he wants to apply for a job in his own area, so there is nothing wrong with any degree. Because there are also many successful people who rely on degrees even though they are also accompanied by the experience they have had themselves through their life environment.

No harm done if you happen to acquire a degree and further studies.
If you have the chance and funds, it won't hurt achieving such milestone in your life.
Later on, you will thank yourself for having one. It will also give you edge among your competitors.
Even if you set-up your own business, still, having a degree is an advantage in my opinion.
It will give you sufficient knowledge not to be screwed by others or at least embark those challenging roles that you will encounter of.

as I posted in the previous post, education can make us all free from ignorance, when our knowledge is good then whatever we want to achieve will be easy to achieve, apart from that when there are indications of fraud approaching us, the insight or education we have Get it can be a protective shield from the frauds, education doesn't always make people successful but education is the best privilege for today's future, don't be lazy to continue improving your education, even Elon Musk took his Master's degree when his business was already big.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 09, 2023, 04:15:50 PM

No harm done if you happen to acquire a degree and further studies.
If you have the chance and funds, it won't hurt achieving such milestone in your life.
Later on, you will thank yourself for having one. It will also give you edge among your competitors.
Even if you set-up your own business, still, having a degree is an advantage in my opinion.
It will give you sufficient knowledge not to be screwed by others or at least embark those challenging roles that you will encounter of.

In essence, it comes back to each individual, whether we have a degree or not depends on our mindset to be successful and to be more productive. Those who get the opportunity to study will gain more opportunities because apart from gaining knowledge, they can also easily gain relationships.

It's easier in my opinion, if you have a degree you may or may not be successful, if you don't study you may or may not be successful. Because to be truly successful is when we can become the best version of ourselves.

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Finishing your studies and getting a degree surely take you down the road to income but academic degree isn't necessarily needed to have a passive income. I am saying this because I see a lot of degree holders around me who are jobless. Even after 2-3 years of trying they are unable to get a good job. The numbers of degree holders are higher the total jobs available. That's why I see a lot of unemployment issue here.

To overcome this, one should learn new skills along with his studies. So when he gets out of studies he already has something to work on rather than having no work at all. This new skills will help be to be self employed. That's how it is.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 10, 2023, 05:47:40 AM

As we know that some business individuals who is now very successful in their life are the one who doesn't have any education at first, Some them became successful because of their natural intelligence and determination. At this age, Many people who has a bachelor degree but still dont have a successful career in life so I think, its not all about education, It's all about your will to work, your dreams, perseverance and determination to reach the success in life

In terms of success, it is not always measured by education or whatever degree a person has, because success must be supported by several other things as you have mentioned. Will, perseverance and determination are important things to achieve success and this is very independent of the education or degree a person has, because a high degree will not guarantee success if there is no will, perseverance and determination within a person.

But for people who have been successful through business or work that they love, it has also been based on certain education in their childhood. Because without basic education for anything it will be difficult for anyone to be successful, why is that? Because everyone needs to learn to calculate, read and see the opportunities around them so that they can determine which direction their business will start and become successful when it develops over time.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 10, 2023, 12:35:34 AM

Take for instant, a seamstress without a degree only believes in acquiring a small space where they will sew. No advertisement, no promotions and the seamstress might do little or nothing at all to influence her brand. She only believes customers who passby will locate her. This act will only limit her customer base and possibly hinder the growth of her business. On the other hand, a degree holder who has undergone training on different marketing skills and how to reach out to customers no matter the distance will do better.

Academic pursuit makes one prepared for any opportunity. This opportunities might be delayed but when it finally comes, you should not be caught unprepared.

Skill application in the world of work and business is somewhat like that. When you decide to learn, there's no guarantee of success from the start, but learning increases the chances of achieving your goals more easily. Although it's not a surefire thing, with better odds, you can reach your objectives with a higher success rate.

Educated individuals might not always outperform those without formal education... it depends on how someone approaches the world of work and business. Education isn't the sole factor that supports a person's success in their career or business... it's not the primary key. There are other factors that can influence a person's success apart from education.

As we know that some business individuals who is now very successful in their life are the one who doesn't have any education at first, Some them became successful because of their natural intelligence and determination. At this age, Many people who has a bachelor degree but still dont have a successful career in life so I think, its not all about education, It's all about your will to work, your dreams, perseverance and determination to reach the success in life

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 10, 2023, 12:35:34 AM

Take for instant, a seamstress without a degree only believes in acquiring a small space where they will sew. No advertisement, no promotions and the seamstress might do little or nothing at all to influence her brand. She only believes customers who passby will locate her. This act will only limit her customer base and possibly hinder the growth of her business. On the other hand, a degree holder who has undergone training on different marketing skills and how to reach out to customers no matter the distance will do better.

Academic pursuit makes one prepared for any opportunity. This opportunities might be delayed but when it finally comes, you should not be caught unprepared.

Skill application in the world of work and business is somewhat like that. When you decide to learn, there's no guarantee of success from the start, but learning increases the chances of achieving your goals more easily. Although it's not a surefire thing, with better odds, you can reach your objectives with a higher success rate.

Educated individuals might not always outperform those without formal education... it depends on how someone approaches the world of work and business. Education isn't the sole factor that supports a person's success in their career or business... it's not the primary key. There are other factors that can influence a person's success apart from education.

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Quote from: Jamestown70 on November 08, 2023, 08:57:36 PM

Getting a degree helps to broaden someone's thinking mentality socializing while trying to get a degree is very vital to ones success partially, getting a degree can help and also expose the person to more presentable opportunity in life unlike the ones without a degree if there is no work in that region the person should improvise learn some digital skill and create a niche for him or her self

I agree with you on this. The mentality of a degree holder and a person without a degree are not the same. It is advised that, all those who find themselves in countries with little job opportunities should as a matter of necessity acquire skills in addition to their degrees. Degree plus skills makes life favourable, you'll hardly get stuck but also note that a degree is very important.

Take for instant, a seamstress without a degree only believes in acquiring a small space where they will sew. No advertisement, no promotions and the seamstress might do little or nothing at all to influence her brand. She only believes customers who passby will locate her. This act will only limit her customer base and possibly hinder the growth of her business. On the other hand, a degree holder who has undergone training on different marketing skills and how to reach out to customers no matter the distance will do better.

Academic pursuit makes one prepared for any opportunity. This opportunities might be delayed but when it finally comes, you should not be caught unprepared.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 09, 2023, 04:15:50 PM

Quote from: Davian144 on November 09, 2023, 04:33:57 AM

Quote from: Jamestown70 on November 08, 2023, 08:57:36 PM

Getting a degree helps to broaden someone's thinking mentality socializing while trying to get a degree is very vital to ones success partially, getting a degree can help and also expose the person to more presentable opportunity in life unlike the ones without a degree if there is no work in that region the person should improvise learn some digital skill and create a niche for him or her self

Nothing will be wasted if something is really needed for ourselves, for example a degree that can indicate a person's expertise in what field. Because an educational degree can reflect that a person has basic knowledge in a particular field when he wants to apply for a job in his own area, so there is nothing wrong with any degree. Because there are also many successful people who rely on degrees even though they are also accompanied by the experience they have had themselves through their life environment.

No harm done if you happen to acquire a degree and further studies.
If you have the chance and funds, it won't hurt achieving such milestone in your life.
Later on, you will thank yourself for having one. It will also give you edge among your competitors.
Even if you set-up your own business, still, having a degree is an advantage in my opinion.
It will give you sufficient knowledge not to be screwed by others or at least embark those challenging roles that you will encounter of.

Might not really be hurting which is true but there are ones who would really be minding that on the time that they are spending with education is something which they could use into some other things on which they could really be able to utilize on making themselves to be successful and this is why they would really be deciding into going into other career on which they would really be focusing on things that they do see that there's a chance on getting rich without putting that much focus on educational attainment or lets just say that it would really be just that good on having one and the rest they would really be deciding on changing up career
on which they do seem that they do have the chance for themselves to have that kind advantage or they do really see that they do have the chance on having progress.

Well, it doesnt matter on what would be your target as long it would be for the better good then go with it. Its impossible that you wont really be able to make up some comparison
or not be able to think about the risks just because it isnt worth it or not really that good.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 09, 2023, 04:33:57 AM

Quote from: Jamestown70 on November 08, 2023, 08:57:36 PM

Getting a degree helps to broaden someone's thinking mentality socializing while trying to get a degree is very vital to ones success partially, getting a degree can help and also expose the person to more presentable opportunity in life unlike the ones without a degree if there is no work in that region the person should improvise learn some digital skill and create a niche for him or her self

Nothing will be wasted if something is really needed for ourselves, for example a degree that can indicate a person's expertise in what field. Because an educational degree can reflect that a person has basic knowledge in a particular field when he wants to apply for a job in his own area, so there is nothing wrong with any degree. Because there are also many successful people who rely on degrees even though they are also accompanied by the experience they have had themselves through their life environment.

No harm done if you happen to acquire a degree and further studies.
If you have the chance and funds, it won't hurt achieving such milestone in your life.
Later on, you will thank yourself for having one. It will also give you edge among your competitors.
Even if you set-up your own business, still, having a degree is an advantage in my opinion.
It will give you sufficient knowledge not to be screwed by others or at least embark those challenging roles that you will encounter of.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on November 08, 2023, 03:14:21 AM

for example of a big country like the US, where the unemployment rate for graduates is 4,1% as of April 2023. meanwhile, in my country, it's 8,3% in the latest update. Some people might think there are a lot of unemployed folks because they didn't land recognized jobs, but the truth is they're still earning.

It could be because there is no recognition of the work they do so that people think the percentage of unemployment is very large and I myself also think so if I don't see the percentage like you shared. But there are times when this percentage is not completely accurate, such as poverty percentage data which is often released by the government and it could be that the percentage input taken does not cover the entire human population.

Quote from: bayu7adi on November 08, 2023, 03:14:21 AM

When you decide to pursue education solely for the purpose of getting a job, it seems like a template followed by many, sorry if I see it as a realistic robot-like approach. I prefer someone who learns with the aim of gaining knowledge and lets jobs that require knowledgeable individuals come to them.

There is nothing wrong with people's approaches and thinking patterns like that, but what I mean is that education is not a strong reason for people to get a decent job like they want because there are many people working in sectors that were not in demand before. But slowly they start to enjoy it because there are not much better opportunities in other sectors to work. Education is a place to gain knowledge and work requires skills and will provide opportunities for those who have skills.

Quote from: bayu7adi on November 08, 2023, 03:14:21 AM

Make the company apply to you, not you who apply to the company. This is the level where you will truly have more value than the average person.

This depends on how the company sees the individual and skill should be a strong reason to choose us, not because they have had higher education which is their reference in assessing them.

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Quote from: Jamestown70 on November 08, 2023, 08:57:36 PM

Getting a degree helps to broaden someone's thinking mentality socializing while trying to get a degree is very vital to ones success partially, getting a degree can help and also expose the person to more presentable opportunity in life unlike the ones without a degree if there is no work in that region the person should improvise learn some digital skill and create a niche for him or her self

Nothing will be wasted if something is really needed for ourselves, for example a degree that can indicate a person's expertise in what field. Because an educational degree can reflect that a person has basic knowledge in a particular field when he wants to apply for a job in his own area, so there is nothing wrong with any degree. Because there are also many successful people who rely on degrees even though they are also accompanied by the experience they have had themselves through their life environment.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on November 08, 2023, 10:53:07 PM

Academic pursues can make so many things easy for the degree holders in a particular countries that value degree, because they know what it takes for such students to achieve all those degrees than to do what will make the person to be rejoicing from the rest of his life and to encourage others that have the same hunger for such degree in the country. Anywhere degree holders feel like settle down to make income, they are well received base on that qualifications they have, because many organization knew that if you have such degrees holders in your company, your company will not remain the same, show that such companies will change positively at the moment. Those that dedicated their time to pursue such degree in the country, I don't think government will allow them to struggle to make income than to create some atmosphere where they will be receiving huge amount of income weekly or monthly.

Legally academic achievement is very important to achieve in order to fulfill the requirements for getting a job, but not only that, there are many other positive things that a person can obtain in the process of undergoing education, relationships, social relationships and other things that can be done. will have an impact on his efforts to earn income later.

But it is observed and always is the case, sometimes there are many people who are not lucky enough to get a higher education so they have to go through other paths.
Now we look at the averages and of course it is clear that the percentage of people who have an education tend to find it easier to earn an income, that's a fact.

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