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Quote from: terrific on October 10, 2023, 07:08:38 AM

The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.

I doubt there are that many job positions looking for more qualifications than a doctorate - that basically proves you are an expert in that field.

Besides, academic success is not required to get a good income, you can get by without it - look at all of these Silicon Valley founders for example with a vision and a plan to act on it.

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Quote from: Pejoh Asu on October 10, 2023, 06:03:14 AM

I don't think this has any influence, everyone hopes to earn a large income by continuing to improve their education, but they forget that the world of work and business requires more skills than an educational degree, and the fact that happens is that many people have a history of low education but can be successful become entrepreneurs.

The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.

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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.

Well both of these things are equally important. Both academic degrees and personal skills. Just having a high academic degree without having good achievements and even only having average skills will of course not help much in finding a job though. Because there are lots of other people who will have the same average skills as us. To increase your chances of getting a job and income, both are needed and not just one. Especially regarding skills that actually need to be paid more attention. Because if we have above average skills then we won't be the ones looking for work but many will come to us and offer us work.

I agree that both are equally important. And both are must-haves. But from my point of view, there is actually one thing that should be prioritized, namely honing skills or developing individual skills that we can excel in in the field of work that we might want.

Sharpening skills can start from things that are part of our hobbies. Or something that makes us happy to do. Because if we have skills that other people don't have, then I'm quite sure that even without graduating from a high academic degree, we will still receive lots of job offers.

Even now, having expertise in the field of programming is very much needed in government. So that someone who is an expert in this field and exceeds other people's abilities will definitely be appreciated for their expertise. But having both is much better (academics and skills)

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Quote from: Pejoh Asu on October 10, 2023, 06:03:14 AM

I don't think this has any influence, everyone hopes to earn a large income by continuing to improve their education, but they forget that the world of work and business requires more skills than an educational degree, and the fact that happens is that many people have a history of low education but can be successful become entrepreneurs.

It all actually depends on the place, mate, because the business world as it is run by most people with a low level of education is a world that basically does not look at the level of education. But the business world really looks more at the skills that each person has to run the business so that matters related to education will always be ignored by businesses that do not require special education.

However, it will be different for those who want to work in government offices, where each person must have special education, although they must also have some expertise in their own field. But basically they really have to have a certain level of education in order to be selected and placed in the field they are skilled at in a government office, meaning it all depends on the place too. Because not all workplaces require a certain level of education, and vice versa, there are also places that require education at a certain level.

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Quote from: Y3shot on September 27, 2023, 05:56:53 AM

I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.

I don't think this has any influence, everyone hopes to earn a large income by continuing to improve their education, but they forget that the world of work and business requires more skills than an educational degree, and the fact that happens is that many people have a history of low education but can be successful become entrepreneurs.

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Quote from: Y3shot on September 27, 2023, 05:56:53 AM

Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

At least that is very helpful and we can see how many people who hold good positions in companies or in government are those who have a high level of education.
If you live in a country where job opportunities are very minimal but have a good level of education, you will have the opportunity to become a skilled worker outside your country and this is what I see happening a lot in my country, so opportunities for graduates are more wide open, not only in their country. but also abroad.

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Well, degrees might not be that important but literacy and some skills are essential things to have in order to at least be able to make use of opportunities available around you. There is a difference between knowledge and education, a lot of people are focused on getting high grades without being able to gather any knowledge regarding anything in the world, even the subjects that they are studying because they are just memorizing things to get more marks and aren't learning anything, I believe a degree gotten that way is totally useless.

However, if someone is literate and they can manage to learn things and develop some skills, they are surely going to get a good job somewhere, and the most important thing is that they can make use of an opportunity that they might get which an illiterate person cannot do, so literacy and knowledge are the most important things, in my opinion.

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Any professor I've met is earning enough to live comfortably, but in no way shape or form enough to be rewarded properly for the amount and quality of work they do.

There's ton of people working industry and corporate jobs that are far less advanced than university professors that earn 10x as much. If you want to teach at a university you just must love what you do. There's no other way to be involved in academia. If you're in it for the money you're a fool. Even with a PhD you'd be earning much more working an industry job, even doing less serious and not as demanding research.

Professors also take a ton of work outside of what they're paid for. Grading assignments, creating curriculum, participating in conferences, taking part in committees to decide on important matters about the university as mandated by bureaucratic rules, helping students with their research and much much more... It's a very hard and demanding job mentally.

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Quote from: Blowon on October 05, 2023, 10:19:30 AM

not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.

That's an exception and will depend to the employer. But what's sad on these days is that, we will never know from the company if they prefer someone with experience or higher degree. Maybe for them to have a low ball offer to their employees, they'll take those that don't have much academic achievement. And that's what they're trying to do and avoid those with such scholastic numbers because it tells how hard working they are a student but regardless of that, schools and offices are different from each other and someone's working ethic might change over time due to the environment of the company.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on October 05, 2023, 04:06:14 PM

Being educated and earning higher degrees is not a bad idea. Just like what you said your country lacks employment. For example if I find myself in a country where there is no value for graduates I will stop attening higher degrees and I will go for what brings more money like acquiring skills and being productive, for example the world is now a developed world, not everything that brings money requires higher degree. But in some countries the level of employment is very high so you see people upgrading their education status like in some advance countries pays heavily for professional courses such as nursing, medicine, law. So if I find myself in that country I will as well upgrade my education status.
So the simple truth is anything that brings money do it.

thats true, getting degree and paying for it just to get edge on some jobs is worth it honestly, but i always think that getting into university for med school or something like that including law school are the ones that worth more than the other degree since its practical, you can only learn such thing from there and the earning and income after you graduated also high.
the other degree that can be obtained by means of following online course might be worth only by doing it online but the credibility sometime being doubted by employer.
therefore whatever is better for you just do it, even better if you can be sure that you will be earning high income after getting the degree.

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Quote from: Uruhara on October 05, 2023, 03:45:22 PM

Quote from: Blowon on October 05, 2023, 10:19:30 AM

not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.

Well both of these things are equally important. Both academic degrees and personal skills. Just having a high academic degree without having good achievements and even only having average skills will of course not help much in finding a job though. Because there are lots of other people who will have the same average skills as us. To increase your chances of getting a job and income, both are needed and not just one. Especially regarding skills that actually need to be paid more attention. Because if we have above average skills then we won't be the ones looking for work but many will come to us and offer us work.

Correct, experience is necessary, but if someone doesn't hire you, then how do you gain experience? Usually, you need a degree to prove that you have knowledge about a subject. Although it's not always true, the general rule applies. That may not be the case with IT and technology-related work, because you can easily prove your worth by showing a potential employer your portfolio and previous work you've done, even as academic projects or practice ones. For instance, a web developer can present a few examples of his work, as can a programmer.

Other professions can't be presented with hands-on work to prove that you're knowledgeable enough, such as financial or managerial work. I don't believe that degrees are always necessary, but I do believe that they're a strong stepping stone.

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Being educated and earning higher degrees is not a bad idea. Just like what you said your country lacks employment. For example if I find myself in a country where there is no value for graduates I will stop attening higher degrees and I will go for what brings more money like acquiring skills and being productive, for example the world is now a developed world, not everything that brings money requires higher degree. But in some countries the level of employment is very high so you see people upgrading their education status like in some advance countries pays heavily for professional courses such as nursing, medicine, law. So if I find myself in that country I will as well upgrade my education status.
So the simple truth is anything that brings money do it.

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Quote from: Blowon on October 05, 2023, 10:19:30 AM

not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.

Well both of these things are equally important. Both academic degrees and personal skills. Just having a high academic degree without having good achievements and even only having average skills will of course not help much in finding a job though. Because there are lots of other people who will have the same average skills as us. To increase your chances of getting a job and income, both are needed and not just one. Especially regarding skills that actually need to be paid more attention. Because if we have above average skills then we won't be the ones looking for work but many will come to us and offer us work.

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Quote from: Y3shot on September 27, 2023, 05:56:53 AM

I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.

Life is about trade. It doesn't matter how many books you read, if you can't use that knowledge to create something that you will be able to sell, then you will still remain jobless and poor. That's why people study in universities and then are either hired and paid low salary or are jobless because of the oversaturation of the market and no necessity of new wave of educated people.

The only way for you to increase your income is to increase your charisma, communication skills, establish a good network of high class people and be good at sales & marketing. You have to market yourself so well to be able to sell expensively, salt bae is a good example. Degrees only help in some cases.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on October 01, 2023, 11:13:38 PM

I think that if you graduated from a well-known university and graduated with honors and the course you completed was good, you are at an advantage to be accepted immediately by a company that you will apply to or maybe compete with other companies. Because that's the battle here in our country, then the sport of backing up the applicants is also the battle.

The fight is really unfair. Think about it: even if the degree you took is higher, if you don't have a backer who will help you within the company you will apply to, you will have no fight because the one with a backer will be prioritized, even if the one who will be admitted is

Graduating with a good grade and from a good course is of an advantage of securing a better job but with all these it is still not a guarantee of getting desired job, but I think all these depends on the country we found ourselves. Like in some countries Graduating with good grades is the easiest way of getting a job. But it is important for people not to take only their degree as the only option to get a job, their should be an alternative like having a skill.

Getting a good grade is very important that anybody must fight for to secure a job because no one knows when opportunity will knock on the door.

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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.

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Quote from: odunybiz on October 04, 2023, 06:50:39 PM

Education doesn't guarantee job especially when you live in a country with less job. One shouldn't go to school to only acquire certificates but learn various things in school which can be useful in the future. This is why entrepreneur in now being introduced in school especially in country with less job so that people can easily use the knowledge to creat their own business in cases where they can't get employment.

In several countries a diploma is only a sign of identification that someone has taken a formal educational path and there is no guarantee that someone who has a high education can get a decent job. When you choose a final diploma, working like someone with a lower diploma will actually make you small in their eyes because people with higher education should be able to produce work for other people. But if the question whether education is enough to earn an income, the answer may not be the same from one person to another.

Education is only a foundation for someone to know a life of character and education is only a place to seek knowledge. When we have knowledge, it will be easy for someone to find a job, but sometimes people are reluctant to do certain jobs because they have high education. In developed and developing countries, the concept of education may be interpreted differently even though its essence same as a field for seeking knowledge.

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I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

This is base on individual believes and the career they want to chase, if you comes from a country where Job is hard to get even with those degrees, the best thing to do is to study small acquire those basic knowledge then put them into practice and develop your self first either to look fit somewhere and attach your self or you start up something with that money you could have used to further your education, when you are a bit stable in your finances then you can move on in getting more degrees because you now have were to earn from and it will sustain you until you get a better job with your earned degree.

In some countries acquiring those degree with out any single skill attached to it and you also don’t have a connection of someone who will connect you to a good organizational that you can fit in, you might just end up with those degrees hang on your wall drop without it being used for anything valuable.

Choosing whether to continue your education or not will really depend on a person's personality, there are some people who are able to do both of these things and there are also those who only choose to pursue one field that they like until they earn an income from it. However, I think, without having expertise in the field of education that we have completed, we will not be able to find work with the degree that we have.

There's some people who can really handle the pressure of academic and his job. But whenever you come up in this situation, you will have to sacrifice something like your health, time and stress. From that, by not handling both you decided to choose one like focus on your study but not having an income or focus on your work but your time are focused on work than having a degree. There's nothing wrong on choosing what path do you think would fit on you, cause some people were rather choose survival, but they know that having a degree is a benefit for finding a higher paying jobs which can be good in the future. Don't feel left behind if some of your mates already graduated while you are still working, or the other hand. We all have different paces and situation in life, so just focus on what you think the best for you.

Absolutely, absolutely. Academic and work balancing is work in today's fast-paced society. Very difficult. Some can manage it, others cannot. That's OK. It's okay. Sacrifices? They're inevitable. Health, time, stress - something's got to give, right? However, job or education isn't a one-size-fits-all choice. It's not. Some prioritise survival, while others value a degree. That's fine too

Feeling behind? Don't. Just don't. Every path is unique. Different paces, different situations. It's not a race. It's never. Which path is best for you? You alone can answer that. Remember, whatever you pick is correct for you. Is it?

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Quote from: bayu7adi on October 03, 2023, 09:19:38 AM

In today's working world, some mainstream companies still require job applicants to have at least a university degree. Diplomas are mainly seen as a means for employees to advance their careers. However, for an employer, it's not a prerequisite.

Fundamentally, in the professional realm, skills take precedence. A diploma signifies that someone has undergone formal education, but it doesn't guarantee their ability to perform well. Therefore, what's more crucial than a diploma nowadays is one's portfolio.

The more evidence you have of your work, the better companies can assess your abilities without having to rely on a diploma. You just need to put in extra effort to prove that with your portfolio, you are genuinely capable of excelling in your job.

One day in the future, we will witness that those who hold ~~diplomas~~ portfolio are the ones deserving of employment.

such thing only occurring in small startups where they are looking for people with real skill because they need to be efficient, in the big large company hardly i could see those company hiring someone with low education lower than bachelor degree simply because there are too many skilled applicants so filtering based on latest education matters more.
therefore even though many consider college degree to be somewhat useless based on the curicullum they taught you, it doesn't mean its entirely useless.
at least with these degree you gonna get the upperhand to those that don't have.
for me its essential to have degree if someone is really trying to have working career otherwise if its entreprenurship it might not matter, but having degree will still improve your credibility in having business partnership you know.

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Quote from: Y3shot on September 27, 2023, 05:56:53 AM

I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.

Education doesn't guarantee job especially when you live in a country with less job. One shouldn't go to school to only acquire certificates but learn various things in school which can be useful in the future. This is why entrepreneur in now being introduced in school especially in country with less job so that people can easily use the knowledge to creat their own business in cases where they can't get employment.

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