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BitNow
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Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 19, 2016, 03:54:31 AM
#126
Quote from: Spendulus on January 18, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: BitNow on January 18, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Back to the subject:

What is the Black Stone?

What the Black Stone does represents?


Best regards.

Okay.  I tried to stay silent.  Really I did.  But you won't quit asking about the Black Stone.

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU4Rk0NATNs

"It's full of stars!"

Stanley Kubrick was an atheist.

If you want to talk about atheism that is the right thread for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-do-atheists-hate-religion-1054513

I'm asking:
What is the Black Stone?
What the Black Stone does represents?
For a Muslim

Thank You for your point of view.


Best regards.
Spendulus
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
#125
Quote from: BitNow on January 18, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Back to the subject:

What is the Black Stone?

What the Black Stone does represents?


Best regards.

Okay.  I tried to stay silent.  Really I did.  But you won't quit asking about the Black Stone.

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU4Rk0NATNs

"It's full of stars!"
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
#124
Back to the subject:

What is the Black Stone?

What the Black Stone does represents?


Best regards.
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 03:36:12 PM
#123
Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 02:51:03 PM

I believe that there are at least several people that believe that you have the freedom to announce your opinion.

 Grin

Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 02:36:23 PM

Okay. Then what are atheists worshiping that makes them idolators or idolatrous?

Smiley

I know where atheism take, so: why facing that?
"Atheism is a capital sin"
- Ex 20:3 & Ex 32:4


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BADecker
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
#122
Quote from: BitNow on January 18, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 02:36:23 PM

Okay. Then what are atheists worshiping that makes them idolators or idolatrous?

Smiley

This thread is about Islam not atheism.
If you are an atheist that is the right thread for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-do-atheists-hate-religion-1054513


Best regards.

I believe that there are at least several people that believe that you have the freedom to announce your opinion.

 Grin
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
#121
Quote from: Spendulus on January 18, 2016, 02:34:53 PM

So Miley Cyprus isn't a religion?

Darn...

Are you an atheist?
If you are an atheist that is the right thread for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-do-atheists-hate-religion-1054513


Best regards.
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
#120
Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 02:36:23 PM

Okay. Then what are atheists worshiping that makes them idolators or idolatrous?

Smiley

This thread is about Islam not atheism.
If you are an atheist that is the right thread for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-do-atheists-hate-religion-1054513


Best regards.
BADecker
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
#119
Quote from: BitNow on January 18, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 01:11:47 PM

Can people worship something in an idolatrous way, but be ignorant about the fact that they are doing it?


Sure they can, but that doesn't make the ritual that they are doing a Religion.


Best regards.

Okay. Then what are atheists worshiping that makes them idolators or idolatrous?

Smiley
Spendulus
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
#118
Quote from: BitNow on January 18, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 01:11:47 PM

Can people worship something in an idolatrous way, but be ignorant about the fact that they are doing it?


Sure they can, but that doesn't make the ritual that they are doing a Religion.


Best regards.

So Miley Cyprus isn't a religion?

Darn...
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
#117
Quote from: BADecker on January 18, 2016, 01:11:47 PM

Can people worship something in an idolatrous way, but be ignorant about the fact that they are doing it?


Sure they can, but that doesn't make the ritual that they are doing a Religion.


Best regards.
BADecker
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
#116
Quote from: BitNow on January 17, 2016, 07:54:43 AM
Quote from: Spendulus on January 16, 2016, 08:28:32 PM

Druids thought this of oak trees, for example.  But they are alive, so I can't consider them or the worship of them to be "Idolatry."


That is idolatry.
"Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god"
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


Best regards.

Can people worship something in an idolatrous way, but be ignorant about the fact that they are doing it?

Smiley
Spendulus
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 18, 2016, 11:59:02 AM
#115
Quote from: BitNow on January 17, 2016, 07:54:43 AM
Quote from: Spendulus on January 16, 2016, 08:28:32 PM

Druids thought this of oak trees, for example.  But they are alive, so I can't consider them or the worship of them to be "Idolatry."


That is idolatry.
"Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god"
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


Best regards.
I guess it would depend then, on whether the "representation" was considered sacred or to have special powers or holiness in and of itself.

Maybe I just don't understand this.

At all.

But then it's part of "religion"...

Anddos
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 17, 2016, 10:27:18 AM
#114
No one seems to have an answer - it would be interesting if no one knew what it is and why they're using it.
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 17, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
#113
Quote from: salinizm on January 17, 2016, 07:59:32 AM

the black stone isnt the representation of god on earth.. it shows where circumambulation of the kaaba starts.. this is the explanation you have been searching for..

I keep receiving negative (with not objective) replies.

The circumambulation of the kaaba is going around the Ka'Ba were the Black Stone is contained, if you don't know what the Black Stone represents that is not really a complete piece of information.

What is the Black Stone?

What the Black Stone does represents?


Best regards.
salinizm
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 17, 2016, 07:59:32 AM
#112
Quote from: BitNow on January 15, 2016, 10:29:02 AM
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
- Ex 20:3

Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry

Muslims worship the Black Stone... why?
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

If the Black Stone is the representation of God on Earth... Islam can be indicated as idolatry and hence been categorized not as Religion but as a sin.

What do you think?

Is the Black Stone the representation of God on Earth?


Best regards.

the black stone isnt the representation of god on earth.. it shows where circumambulation of the kaaba starts.. this is the explanation you have been searching for..
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 17, 2016, 07:54:43 AM
#111
Quote from: Spendulus on January 16, 2016, 08:28:32 PM

Druids thought this of oak trees, for example.  But they are alive, so I can't consider them or the worship of them to be "Idolatry."


That is idolatry.
"Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god"
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


Best regards.
Anddos
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 16, 2016, 08:43:44 PM
#110
Quote from: BitNow on January 16, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: Anddos on January 16, 2016, 06:16:14 PM
Yes - everything is a symbol and no one worships the object itself - they are still bowing and kissing objects, which are physical entities, which are idols! Q.E.D.

Exactly: and how can we know what Muslims worship if we don't know what the Black Stone represents?


Best regards.

Well it seems that their prophet - Muhammad took the stone to Mecca, so seeing how it was he who brought it there it became sacred. Also they believe the stone dates from the time of Adam and Eve and that it fell from Heaven so... the rest is history.
Spendulus
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 16, 2016, 08:28:32 PM
#109
Quote from: Anddos on January 16, 2016, 06:16:14 PM
Yes - everything is a symbol and no one worships the object itself - they are still bowing and kissing objects, which are physical entities, which are idols! Q.E.D.
I think this is wrong.  Idols were symbolic of deities in paganism and polytheism.  Then monotheists made up the argument that it was worship of the base object.

At the same time, there are objects that have been believed to be sacred, or endowed with special supernatural abilities.

Druids thought this of oak trees, for example.  But they are alive, so I can't consider them or the worship of them to be "Idolatry."
BitNow
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 16, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
#108
Quote from: Anddos on January 16, 2016, 06:16:14 PM
Yes - everything is a symbol and no one worships the object itself - they are still bowing and kissing objects, which are physical entities, which are idols! Q.E.D.

Exactly: and how can we know what Muslims worship if we don't know what the Black Stone represents?


Best regards.
Anddos
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Re: Is Islam a Religion? (If a muslim can answer that would be good)
January 16, 2016, 06:16:14 PM
#107
Yes - everything is a symbol and no one worships the object itself - they are still bowing and kissing objects, which are physical entities, which are idols! Q.E.D.
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