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legendary
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dev of what? anyway we need p2p exchange, so exchangers cannot run away with the excuse "our cold wallet was hacked yesterday"

this is the only concern at the moment

That is true, and its a valid concern, however i think, in view of altcoins, the biggest threat is the devs running away.

There are 1000x more scam altcoins than scam exchanges, and more money is lost to scam altcoins than scam exchanges.

Pretty much the already established exchanges are staying, and can be moderately trusted.

It's the same as if your average broker runs with the money, yes they were regulated, but so what, funds are only covered up to 20.000€, the rest of it is fucked.

Its definitely about decentralization Wink

yeah altcoin dev are quite malicious, but if there is a good trusted escrow and the code is well examined, you can be sure that the coin is legit

there were many scam dev in the past with hidden premine, mostly from china, this was another reason why many prefer to invest with already good established coins, like bitcoin, litecoin, monero, and not with new coins that hold a major risk

anyway i'm not risking large amount ever, i prefer to trade small amount to rise my bitcoin stash or to keep it not falling too much, in the case i need to use it for shopping or whatever, the rest will be done by bitcoin itself, when will rise to unbelievable level
sr. member
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Undeads.com - P2E Runner Game

dev of what? anyway we need p2p exchange, so exchangers cannot run away with the excuse "our cold wallet was hacked yesterday"

this is the only concern at the moment

That is true, and its a valid concern, however i think, in view of altcoins, the biggest threat is the devs running away.

There are 1000x more scam altcoins than scam exchanges, and more money is lost to scam altcoins than scam exchanges.

Pretty much the already established exchanges are staying, and can be moderately trusted.

It's the same as if your average broker runs with the money, yes they were regulated, but so what, funds are only covered up to 20.000€, the rest of it is fucked.

Its definitely about decentralization Wink
legendary
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invest your money is always better than to spare them , choose a long-term investment whit little risk you'll never made ​​a wrong choice.
if you want to earn some , long-term investment is the one to choose

That a good Idea, long investmen is better choice. some short term invest is scam like ponzi and hyip
long investmen is make your money save and your health save too

i ever see assurance where we can cash out money after some periode maybe 10-20 years but we get health insurance  Wink

long time investment can also be disguised as a ponzi as well.

you also have to be careful just because majority people have their money in something doesnt mean to avoid to do your homework.

none of them are ponzi, trading isn't a ponzi at all, it is your capacity to analize well the market and act accordingly, in a ponzi there is always 1 man only that is taking everything, do you see this in a trading enviroment?

i would say no, not at all, trading is one of those gamble way to make money, where your ability will actualy count something and not zero, like in pure gambling

gambling != ponzi


Depends if the devs are scammers, they just sell the "air" for 200 satoshi a piece , the traders buy it, and then the dev abandons the project and runs with the money.

It could happen.

dev of what? anyway we need p2p exchange, so exchangers cannot run away with the excuse "our cold wallet was hacked yesterday"

this is the only concern at the moment
sr. member
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Undeads.com - P2E Runner Game
invest your money is always better than to spare them , choose a long-term investment whit little risk you'll never made ​​a wrong choice.
if you want to earn some , long-term investment is the one to choose

That a good Idea, long investmen is better choice. some short term invest is scam like ponzi and hyip
long investmen is make your money save and your health save too

i ever see assurance where we can cash out money after some periode maybe 10-20 years but we get health insurance  Wink

long time investment can also be disguised as a ponzi as well.

you also have to be careful just because majority people have their money in something doesnt mean to avoid to do your homework.

none of them are ponzi, trading isn't a ponzi at all, it is your capacity to analize well the market and act accordingly, in a ponzi there is always 1 man only that is taking everything, do you see this in a trading enviroment?

i would say no, not at all, trading is one of those gamble way to make money, where your ability will actualy count something and not zero, like in pure gambling

gambling != ponzi


Depends if the devs are scammers, they just sell the "air" for 200 satoshi a piece , the traders buy it, and then the dev abandons the project and runs with the money.

It could happen.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
invest your money is always better than to spare them , choose a long-term investment whit little risk you'll never made ​​a wrong choice.
if you want to earn some , long-term investment is the one to choose

That a good Idea, long investmen is better choice. some short term invest is scam like ponzi and hyip
long investmen is make your money save and your health save too

i ever see assurance where we can cash out money after some periode maybe 10-20 years but we get health insurance  Wink

long time investment can also be disguised as a ponzi as well.

you also have to be careful just because majority people have their money in something doesnt mean to avoid to do your homework.

none of them are ponzi, trading isn't a ponzi at all, it is your capacity to analize well the market and act accordingly, in a ponzi there is always 1 man only that is taking everything, do you see this in a trading enviroment?

i would say no, not at all, trading is one of those gamble way to make money, where your ability will actualy count something and not zero, like in pure gambling

gambling != ponzi
legendary
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invest your money is always better than to spare them , choose a long-term investment whit little risk you'll never made ​​a wrong choice.
if you want to earn some , long-term investment is the one to choose

That a good Idea, long investmen is better choice. some short term invest is scam like ponzi and hyip
long investmen is make your money save and your health save too

i ever see assurance where we can cash out money after some periode maybe 10-20 years but we get health insurance  Wink

long time investment can also be disguised as a ponzi as well.

you also have to be careful just because majority people have their money in something doesnt mean to avoid to do your homework.

How can you said that long time investment as ponzi? I dont think that way. You said that gold as a ponzi? Because that is a long time investment to

make there and seems many people are still investing it until now
sr. member
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invest your money is always better than to spare them , choose a long-term investment whit little risk you'll never made ​​a wrong choice.
if you want to earn some , long-term investment is the one to choose

That a good Idea, long investmen is better choice. some short term invest is scam like ponzi and hyip
long investmen is make your money save and your health save too

i ever see assurance where we can cash out money after some periode maybe 10-20 years but we get health insurance  Wink

long time investment can also be disguised as a ponzi as well.

you also have to be careful just because majority people have their money in something doesnt mean to avoid to do your homework.
Yes maybe , you cannot erase doubts in long time investment, maybe they just only waiting when you invest more money and then they will run.
And about ponzi theres problem when you know that they paid to you is the new investors money. Its a big problem.
sr. member
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invest your money is always better than to spare them , choose a long-term investment whit little risk you'll never made ​​a wrong choice.
if you want to earn some , long-term investment is the one to choose

That a good Idea, long investmen is better choice. some short term invest is scam like ponzi and hyip
long investmen is make your money save and your health save too

i ever see assurance where we can cash out money after some periode maybe 10-20 years but we get health insurance  Wink

long time investment can also be disguised as a ponzi as well.

you also have to be careful just because majority people have their money in something doesnt mean to avoid to do your homework.
hero member
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Don't save money, you think you're making money off of interest but you're really not. Invest in stocks right now, it's pretty hot. Cryptocurrencies would be my second choice, but btc no. Btc is a little too unpredictable right now, I've seen currencies which have higher potential and value.

Of course this depends on the stock youre investing right.. cause what if someone invests, but they did it in pennystocks.

Still a stock right? but most of them go pump and dump, so not all stocks and this also includes blue chips as well.

also to add on, due to many daytraders still out there and growing, its not really recommended to hold a certain stock for a long time.
legendary
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Saving in fiat is not possible, due to inflation. Saving in bitcoin is possible.

By the bolded part, do I get it correctly that you are saying saving in FIAT is not possible because inflation rate is much higher than the interest rate per annum? If it is so then the same thing could be applied to saving in BTC as well because the percentage of the price decline could be the same as inflation as well. Also that saving in BTC doesnt mean that someone will keep his savings in form of BTC forever as you might someday exchange it back to FIAT just to find the value has been half of when you bought them

P.S : it has been discussed alot but none has given a satisfactory answer on this matter, could you then? As a matter of fact , I am a fan of BTC security but I cant seem to let go the fact that I am losing if I save my saving in BTC because the tendency of the price keep on falling

I say only what I say: If bitcoin loses value, it is not because of the money manager printing more.

LOL you can't save into fiat money due to inflation? I think you are wrong because some of business man that now are rich, they save in fiat money and they didn't used bitcoin to stored their money. Because if you save in bitcoin through keeping it into your wallet, you are exception in inflation rate but, if you are already exchange it, it will now only like fiat money with inflation.

I doubt they saved themself rich, more likely it was investments.

Lets say there is inflation, and that a flat increases at the general inflation rate and someones salary also increases at the general inflation rate. Many people consider this to be neutral, and it is, but only for the consumption, not for saving.

The value of his saving will stop increasing at some point, namely where the value loss on his total savings, from inflation, matches his periodical saving value. Depending on the value of the flat in question, it could be that he can not save enough, even if he continued to save a percentage of his salary every month for a hundred years. I can't be bothered to come up with an example, but you can do it yourself.
legendary
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Theres that saying when when your print off nothing that backs up its value, its just really piece of paper lol.

Voltaire mentions the intrinsic value of fiat will always go back to zero.

But, saving or investing really a personal situation ideally everyone wants to invest..
hero member
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Don't save money, you think you're making money off of interest but you're really not. Invest in stocks right now, it's pretty hot. Cryptocurrencies would be my second choice, but btc no. Btc is a little too unpredictable right now, I've seen currencies which have higher potential and value.
hero member
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well bitcoin gets better results as may become the worse way to get interest as it can loose status and value as gain it in less then a day
sr. member
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Saving in fiat is not possible, due to inflation. Saving in bitcoin is possible.

By the bolded part, do I get it correctly that you are saying saving in FIAT is not possible because inflation rate is much higher than the interest rate per annum? If it is so then the same thing could be applied to saving in BTC as well because the percentage of the price decline could be the same as inflation as well. Also that saving in BTC doesnt mean that someone will keep his savings in form of BTC forever as you might someday exchange it back to FIAT just to find the value has been half of when you bought them

P.S : it has been discussed alot but none has given a satisfactory answer on this matter, could you then? As a matter of fact , I am a fan of BTC security but I cant seem to let go the fact that I am losing if I save my saving in BTC because the tendency of the price keep on falling

I say only what I say: If bitcoin loses value, it is not because of the money manager printing more.

LOL you can't save into fiat money due to inflation? I think you are wrong because some of business man that now are rich, they save in fiat money and they didn't used bitcoin to stored their money. Because if you save in bitcoin through keeping it into your wallet, you are exception in inflation rate but, if you are already exchange it, it will now only like fiat money with inflation.
legendary
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Saving in fiat is not possible, due to inflation. Saving in bitcoin is possible.

By the bolded part, do I get it correctly that you are saying saving in FIAT is not possible because inflation rate is much higher than the interest rate per annum? If it is so then the same thing could be applied to saving in BTC as well because the percentage of the price decline could be the same as inflation as well. Also that saving in BTC doesnt mean that someone will keep his savings in form of BTC forever as you might someday exchange it back to FIAT just to find the value has been half of when you bought them

P.S : it has been discussed alot but none has given a satisfactory answer on this matter, could you then? As a matter of fact , I am a fan of BTC security but I cant seem to let go the fact that I am losing if I save my saving in BTC because the tendency of the price keep on falling

I say only what I say: If bitcoin loses value, it is not because of the money manager printing more.
legendary
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Saving in fiat is not possible, due to inflation. Saving in bitcoin is possible.

By the bolded part, do I get it correctly that you are saying saving in FIAT is not possible because inflation rate is much higher than the interest rate per annum? If it is so then the same thing could be applied to saving in BTC as well because the percentage of the price decline could be the same as inflation as well. Also that saving in BTC doesnt mean that someone will keep his savings in form of BTC forever as you might someday exchange it back to FIAT just to find the value has been half of when you bought them

P.S : it has been discussed alot but none has given a satisfactory answer on this matter, could you then? As a matter of fact , I am a fan of BTC security but I cant seem to let go the fact that I am losing if I save my saving in BTC because the tendency of the price keep on falling
legendary
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They just want to save to be free from possible disaster in the future, and have something for their old days and for the kids. They don't want to be conserned with those things, they just want to live a good life. And they don't have to, entrepreneurs  and ideas are plentiful.

Saving in money is restored with the event of bitcoin. That is the biggest thing.

If security is the one and only thoughts that you want when you are saving than BTC is a great choice for that however with all due respect , not everyone is a believer that BTC might be 4-5 figures in USD for years ahead. The great swing of the price is pretty much another aspect that someone should consider when deciding that he wanted to save in form of BTC .

Nothing is indeed much better than BTC in form of security but the huge volatility is what prevents most people from jumping into this ship. Also that not to mention the risk of it become worthless in overnight , however this is highly unlikely to happen

Just make a lot of money, then deposit it to bank & earn monthly money from there Roll Eyes

This is always what I've seen around here. People thought that to either gain interest you need a big capital however this is a false statement. You will still gain interest no matter how small your capital is, difference will be that if you have a big one then you would have big gain of interest as well however the risk that you bear are bigger as well

Without going into your new arguments, which are interesting and also have been discussed a lot, I stand by the opinion that:

1) Most people really want to just save.

2) Saving in fiat is not possible, due to inflation. Saving in bitcoin is possible.

The thing with bitcoin is that while it's value varies, like all money types do, and like all money have to do forever, it is unescapable, the value of bitcoin can not be destroyed by money printing. Neither, direct, via QE (electronic money printing) nor by creating galloping loans.




legendary
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They just want to save to be free from possible disaster in the future, and have something for their old days and for the kids. They don't want to be conserned with those things, they just want to live a good life. And they don't have to, entrepreneurs  and ideas are plentiful.

Saving in money is restored with the event of bitcoin. That is the biggest thing.

If security is the one and only thoughts that you want when you are saving than BTC is a great choice for that however with all due respect , not everyone is a believer that BTC might be 4-5 figures in USD for years ahead. The great swing of the price is pretty much another aspect that someone should consider when deciding that he wanted to save in form of BTC .

Nothing is indeed much better than BTC in form of security but the huge volatility is what prevents most people from jumping into this ship. Also that not to mention the risk of it become worthless in overnight , however this is highly unlikely to happen

Just make a lot of money, then deposit it to bank & earn monthly money from there Roll Eyes

This is always what I've seen around here. People thought that to either gain interest you need a big capital however this is a false statement. You will still gain interest no matter how small your capital is, difference will be that if you have a big one then you would have big gain of interest as well however the risk that you bear are bigger as well
legendary
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If you have more money you can go to U.A.E and Qatar to invest their in properties such as in real estates

During the recession, the property prices in the United Arab Emirates slumped as much as 50% to 70%. Right now, most of these properties are worth much less than their price tag in the 2008. Many of the proposed real estate projects have been either abandoned by the builders, or have been put on hold (for example, the third stage of the Palm Islands).
legendary
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Having money in the form of fiat paper rectangles and token coins, contra a bank deposit.

Nowadays people conflate the two, because having a demand deposit account with card and stuff is so practical.

But in fact they are different. Depositing in a bank means you lend your money to the bank, so it is an investment via lending.

You could also ask the bank to hold your money for safety without lending to them.

If you compare the risk of lending with the risk of theft (when holding the money directly), the risk factor may be in favour of bank deposit under normal conditions. But conditions are not always normal.

tl;dr Bank deposit is lending, which is a form of investing.

Sorry for my french but that is bullshit.

They also put your checking account into short term loans, but they dont give interest to you on it, thats why a checking account is free (nothing is free they just dont tell you about it)

So if a bank loses everything, your deposit & checking account goes with it too.

If the investment insurance fund cannot bailout the bank, then they go bankrupt too.

If the government cant bail out the I.I.F then they go bankrupt too.

If the central bank cannot print money fast enough to bail out the gov bonds, then the whole system collapses.

It's all a house of cards, based on empty promises, which will fall down like a domino one day.

You are completely right, and so am I. The two views are consistent.
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