Topic: Is lying now part of human nature? - page 5. (Read 969 times)

Diogenes of Sinope (l. c. 404-323 BCE) a Greek went around streets with a lantern in Athens. he was searching for an honest man. To his surprise he found none. But I believe I am one   Any ways its a place where we all want to maximize our profits. Profit of one is loss of the other, and to make profit lying become part of game. Stay honest, they will fool you, or else take the charge get smart, even if you are called a liar.

Yeah, definitely, I was talking more about the evolutionary origin of lying and the extent to which lying is 'natural' behaviour amongst the human population.

Certainly the modern world is very different to the world we've lived in for the vast majority of our evolutionary history as a social species, and selection pressures are no longer the same. It's no doubt true that habitual lying can be rewarded much more now than it has been in the (evolutionary) past, because we live in a global society where we can interact a lot more with people we don't know*, and the stuff we can lie about is no longer easily verifiable (or necessarily verifiable at all). The guy who keeps telling his tribe "There's a lion coming! Get back to the cave!" gets found out, and kicked out of the group. The guy who says "The reason you don't have a job is all these immigrants" does not get found out so much. Who knows, one day a habitual liar might even rise to become POTUS...




* as I'm doing right now. Although I'm not lying!

People at default tell lies because they see it as the normal thing everyone does. But the fact that majority tell lies doesn't make it right. Sometimes situations warrant people to compromise standards by lying, they see it as an act used to save themselves of trouble and its becoming the human nature, but it's not supposed to be. Personal standards and determination not to tell lies helps a lot in staying away from lying.

Theirs some kind things that is not suppose to be present. Asking if lie's is part of life and which everyone knows that many people choose lies as hobby and especially scammers that gives false information to extort funds from people. Humans has already taken it as culture so since culture is demand lies and corruption can not stop except every body is comfortable of live living and we kny that is no way every body can be comfortable of live

Lying is a bad trait no doubt, but sometimes some person don't like the truth, that's just how they are.

Considering Africa for example, if a child did wrong and tells the truth he still gets the beating of his life, but if lying sometimes give him/her an escape the route which they take.

The Bible also say the truth will set us free, but most of the time we end up have troubles sometimes for tell the truth. I'm not saying lying is better but it is an escape route some times.

Internet often distorts these things, e.g. it may seem that there are more liars around... but in the end it's still about surround yourself with people that you can trust.


It can work the other way too, can't it? For example, politicians and business people tend to lie a lot but have no problem reproducing, and often hold an edge over hoi polloi. I can imagine an outcome where the species is dominated by liars. I don't think we're anywhere near that or moving significantly in that direction, and if it were to happen it would basically kill any kind of progress (Soviet Block comes to mind, where deception, corruption, and theft was rampant), but it is in theory possible.


None of the negative ratings you got are for "giving away Bitcoin" or "good deeds", and most refer to documented untrustworthy actions. E.g. collecting Bitcoin to begin your scheme under a guise of "investment" and then renaming it to some sort of charity when the abysmal ROI of said investment became obvious. Speaking of lying, you do realize that your trust ratings are public, and so are the references? Why do you lie so blatantly about something so easily visible? Rhetorical question.

People have grown so accustomed to lying in their daily lives that in spite of being an honest person, I find that most people take what I say as not being truthful. Try telling my story at a bar sometime… I’ve literally been laughed at for saying things I don’t even think are hard to believe. I imagine if I told my entire story, 999 out of a thousand people would call me a liar. Want to see this in action? I’ve been giving away Bitcoin on a weekly basis for 10+ years now and people still call my organization a Ponzi scheme and I’ve even been left negative trust for my good deeds, because the reality that I’ve been giving up so much money for so long when I didn’t have to seems too hard to believe to be true for most people so they assume it’s a lie. Funny how human nature works. People are quick to put their own immoral beliefs on others and assume that everyone is as shitty a person as they are. The sooner in life you learn this, the better.

Lying is an evil trait because if you used to tell lies, you will become addicted to it in an alarming way. Because the more you tell lies, the more you don't care about your stories whether it's true or not, and sometimes you tell lies stories to make people laugh, and when you find that entertaining to others, you keep doing it as if seems you don't really care about the consequences. But do you know that slandering people are far worse lies than you could ever do? Better not to be engaged with such action before it's uncontrollable.

There are some lies that are necessary for example, telling your wife about her cook was good to prevent her from being disappointed after a long day of work to preserve your relationship and live a happy life but I think that's the only valid reason you could ever lie and there are some more but I just don't know 

for now it's hard to leave lies because even lies can become a necessity. and hard to leave

Usually someone becomes a lie too for some reason. and not without reason.

As you said, lying is a natural human habit. This habit is very difficult to break, if we only lie once then we will lie the next time, and so on

I think lying sometimes has always been a part of human nature, for at least as long as we have lived together in groups and possessed sufficient intelligence to misrepresent the world to others.
From an evolutionary perspective though, persistent liars will be selected against, and people with a tendency for habitual deceit will gradually be weeded out of the gene pool... this is because we have memory, and learn to distrust those who always deceive. Reciprocal altruism is a cornerstone of our success as a species, and if you always behave in an untrustworthy way, then you lose its benefits.

Some lies are necessary sometimes to not hurt someone's feeling. Lying however becomes irritating and a problem when someone begins to tell lies for the most unnecessary things. So every human somehow has told a lie, but  not all humans continue telling lies...some become mature and understand that no one will beat you up at that stage if you told the truth.

The thing is reality it is very difficult before you found a statement that contains two hundred characters with out lies what they said for the post you quotes and reply is nothing but the truth because lies has become culture to people and it is few of people who does not take lies serious as norms but many people lie to get what they want and the world now is not seeing the truth as real and believing that lies is what they choose as the truth

jes the world is either so complicated that they say the wrong things or they simply don't understand it so they say wrong things, this makes even many jews liers or trash talkers, although i would strictly distinguish those.

with liers being people that deliberately say wrong things to gain something, like a trader that wants to sell better, while trash talkers are people that don't know better without admitting it.

american jews like bill maher and jon steward, are trash talkers as they don't want to lie but they don't admit that they don't know better
but heavens/god/allahu akbar/the gods still give you a warning sign from such people, they blind their eyesight (punishment for shortsightedness), and make them wear big fat glasses, like jon steward and bill maher indeed do.





so you end up seeing jews that pretend to know stuff without being humble about their knowledge and admitting that they don't know a lot but they wear big fat classes that will warn them from them.



so i think strictly orthodox jews, muslims and christians  that are humble and admit that they don't know better can be considered "not liers" like for example Ben Shapiro but their information could be trashy. so indeed ben shapiros information could be trashy but as a orthodox jews he is humble and admits that.
so heavens/god/gods/allahu akbar don't have to warn you.



Ben Shapiro is humble about his knowledge and publicly admits that, he fights against far left woke extremism, but he still lives with limited information and based on that some of his information is trash. like for example his jew nazi allegiance with Zelinski against Putin.

note: that Bill maher and Jon steward are now forced to wear glasses since Qanon!!!!

if they don't admit that their knowledge is limited and their source not divine and holy they are trash talkers.

regards

I like that you were being honest about not liking being liked to. No one likes being lied to yet we all lie to each other. It's really hard for me to accept that it has become a societal norm to lie

I don't think so we can ever do that, Lying is a very basic human activity, an activity which almost everyone does on daily basis in some form or the other. You said lying isn't good, I think this blanket statement is not really appropriate, lying can be at times best to calm down the situation, it might not be a permanent solution but can be a big temporary fix in multiple situations, but yes it does hampers the credibility of any human being, as normal it is for any human to lie, equally frustrating it is to hear a lie from someone, I don't know about everyone but I feel a very big dissatisfaction and frustration whenever someone lies to me, so even though telling lies is a part of normal human nature, listening to lies really isn't.

Once you accept that truth is subjective, lying becomes impossible.

Lying is a typical human activity. Actually when your kids start lying that's when you know their brain is maturing. That said, societies in the past had made sure to discourage it for the in-group. I think that these days the "progressive" culture is more permissive of it. Usually when it's in relation to pet movements - for example the slap on the wrists women get for making false accusations or when minorities report fake hate crimes like Juicy did.

Telling a fib today is considered harmless and most people seem to lie so quickly and are very good at it too. We all know lying isn't good anyway it's being looked at but we all indulge in it and very frequently too. And today, it is considered harmless and a little white lie; almost innocent lol.
Can we as humans ever stop telling lies?