Topic: Is lying now part of human nature? - page 7. (Read 1326 times)

As you said, lying is a natural human habit. This habit is very difficult to break, if we only lie once then we will lie the next time, and so on

I think lying sometimes has always been a part of human nature, for at least as long as we have lived together in groups and possessed sufficient intelligence to misrepresent the world to others.
From an evolutionary perspective though, persistent liars will be selected against, and people with a tendency for habitual deceit will gradually be weeded out of the gene pool... this is because we have memory, and learn to distrust those who always deceive. Reciprocal altruism is a cornerstone of our success as a species, and if you always behave in an untrustworthy way, then you lose its benefits.

Some lies are necessary sometimes to not hurt someone's feeling. Lying however becomes irritating and a problem when someone begins to tell lies for the most unnecessary things. So every human somehow has told a lie, but  not all humans continue telling lies...some become mature and understand that no one will beat you up at that stage if you told the truth.

The thing is reality it is very difficult before you found a statement that contains two hundred characters with out lies what they said for the post you quotes and reply is nothing but the truth because lies has become culture to people and it is few of people who does not take lies serious as norms but many people lie to get what they want and the world now is not seeing the truth as real and believing that lies is what they choose as the truth

jes the world is either so complicated that they say the wrong things or they simply don't understand it so they say wrong things, this makes even many jews liers or trash talkers, although i would strictly distinguish those.

with liers being people that deliberately say wrong things to gain something, like a trader that wants to sell better, while trash talkers are people that don't know better without admitting it.

american jews like bill maher and jon steward, are trash talkers as they don't want to lie but they don't admit that they don't know better
but heavens/god/allahu akbar/the gods still give you a warning sign from such people, they blind their eyesight (punishment for shortsightedness), and make them wear big fat glasses, like jon steward and bill maher indeed do.





so you end up seeing jews that pretend to know stuff without being humble about their knowledge and admitting that they don't know a lot but they wear big fat classes that will warn them from them.



so i think strictly orthodox jews, muslims and christians  that are humble and admit that they don't know better can be considered "not liers" like for example Ben Shapiro but their information could be trashy. so indeed ben shapiros information could be trashy but as a orthodox jews he is humble and admits that.
so heavens/god/gods/allahu akbar don't have to warn you.



Ben Shapiro is humble about his knowledge and publicly admits that, he fights against far left woke extremism, but he still lives with limited information and based on that some of his information is trash. like for example his jew nazi allegiance with Zelinski against Putin.

note: that Bill maher and Jon steward are now forced to wear glasses since Qanon!!!!

if they don't admit that their knowledge is limited and their source not divine and holy they are trash talkers.

regards

I like that you were being honest about not liking being liked to. No one likes being lied to yet we all lie to each other. It's really hard for me to accept that it has become a societal norm to lie

I don't think so we can ever do that, Lying is a very basic human activity, an activity which almost everyone does on daily basis in some form or the other. You said lying isn't good, I think this blanket statement is not really appropriate, lying can be at times best to calm down the situation, it might not be a permanent solution but can be a big temporary fix in multiple situations, but yes it does hampers the credibility of any human being, as normal it is for any human to lie, equally frustrating it is to hear a lie from someone, I don't know about everyone but I feel a very big dissatisfaction and frustration whenever someone lies to me, so even though telling lies is a part of normal human nature, listening to lies really isn't.

Once you accept that truth is subjective, lying becomes impossible.

Lying is a typical human activity. Actually when your kids start lying that's when you know their brain is maturing. That said, societies in the past had made sure to discourage it for the in-group. I think that these days the "progressive" culture is more permissive of it. Usually when it's in relation to pet movements - for example the slap on the wrists women get for making false accusations or when minorities report fake hate crimes like Juicy did.

Telling a fib today is considered harmless and most people seem to lie so quickly and are very good at it too. We all know lying isn't good anyway it's being looked at but we all indulge in it and very frequently too. And today, it is considered harmless and a little white lie; almost innocent lol.
Can we as humans ever stop telling lies?