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May 18, 2022, 06:02:12 AM
#30
Telling a fib today is considered harmless and most people seem to lie so quickly and are very good at it too. We all know lying isn't good anyway it's being looked at but we all indulge in it and very frequently too. And today, it is considered harmless and a little white lie; almost innocent lol.
Can we as humans ever stop telling lies?

All lies are not bad , if you are lying for selfish reasons, it is bad but if you lie for humanity then it is fine because humanity is  above morality. Though we all are brought up not to tell lies and be honest and truthful in all situations  but we do lie. There are tons of reasons why do we lie and some are acceptable and some are not but bitter pill to swallow is that we do lie  which simply means that lying is in our nature and that is the bitter truth. We tend to lie in some situation because we think by lying we have some gains which is not possible to achieve if we tell truth. When we deceive someone by lying it is morally wrong and sin as well.

https://www.psychreg.org/lying-human-nature/
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May 18, 2022, 02:36:51 AM
#29
Lying is basically a normal life of human being,even when you intend no to tell it ,you find yourself already saying unknowingly then later question yourself for saying it at the first place ,lying isnt a good thing and it becomes an habit that is registered in your mind,stopping it takes a more effort of being careful ,thinking before talking ,talking less and asking yourself questions before talking ,processing every word that about to comes out of your mouth before uttering them out.
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May 17, 2022, 06:11:48 AM
#28
If you ask me 'if lying was a part of human nature' I would say yes! I mean, it's not a virtue that one should portray but still, it is a part of our very existence.

Just take a second to imagine a world without lies. I tell you, there would be lots of chaos. There is no such thing as a good lie but still, there are truths that immediately uncovered could result in serious distress situations. Little wonder why some nations have got red boxes kept away in some safe somewhere and they don't allow the public to know the truth of the political operations of there own nation and they call it secretes.

Secretes breath forth lies! Every human keeps a secrete and lies once in a while. What could be your reason for this? It might seem right but, a lie is a lie and it would hurt still, no matter what it's meant to cover.
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May 17, 2022, 02:33:39 AM
#27
Lying only exists if something's that's spoken of is demonstrably untrue with intent.

I think that probably the most common lie is where one person knows the truth, and then lies to hide that truth. In many instances the truth is known only to that person, and it can be extremely difficult or impossible for others to determine whether or not they are lying. I flip a coin, and tell you it landed heads... how can you know if this is true?
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May 15, 2022, 09:59:12 AM
#26
One of the most amazing books I've ever read, Atlas Shrugged, talks about this and addresses, through Ayn Rand's objectivist perspective, a point that completely changed my view of the issue.

Rand says - through her realistic fiction characters - that for her, lying is submitting your perspective to someone else's, it's as if you recognize that the other person's vision is better or should be a substitute for yours, so you lie to adapt to it, which is to falsify reality, which never bears good fruit.

In the same vein, there is the perspective that when lying, you will always need to be careful in presenting your perspective, it will always require care and new lies and it is extremely counter-productive on a mental level.

Today I understand that there is no reason to falsify reality and that we all need to learn to deal with reality as it is. Of course, this does not mitigate the risk of differences in perspectives on reality, but at least everyone will be dealing with the same inputs.
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May 15, 2022, 07:35:33 AM
#25
Telling a fib today is considered harmless and most people seem to lie so quickly and are very good at it too. We all know lying isn't good anyway it's being looked at but we all indulge in it and very frequently too. And today, it is considered harmless and a little white lie; almost innocent lol.
Can we as humans ever stop telling lies?

Lying has always been an integral part of social interactions, not just for humans, but for animals as well (from butterfly larva pretending to be of ant origin just so they could take care of it, to wolves learning how to move their eybrows and become dogs to play on humans emotions for food). So no, we can't stop telling lies because it is an integral part if social interactions as well as a defence mechanism (facial expressions that are diferent from ones true feelings). I have to dissagre with Kant when he says that there are no conceivable circumstances in which lying is morally acceptable.
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May 15, 2022, 04:28:19 AM
#24
Lying is not supposed to be part of the human nature, but human nature and the life of human being is so wicked and evil that you can't live a free life with them if you don't lie to them.I'm not justifying lies,but with what is happening in the society today,it is only those whom have determined to be lieing that can make money.Lie is used to cover the sins that one has committed.It is only those that have chosen the path of God that lives without lies.Only those who have the fear of God in them  that does not lie.But it is good when we live without lieing,and it is moral to live without it.

The factor's of lie's is the way of getting something that doesn't belong for you, people enjoy lie's and mostly people who is jobless and willing to to win what does not belong to the. Humans nature is not about lies and is not something we can stand and say it is good to tell somebody untrue to benefit from the person, some religion skip that, and they don't bring such policy to board
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May 13, 2022, 02:46:32 PM
#23
Lying is not supposed to be part of the human nature, but human nature and the life of human being is so wicked and evil that you can't live a free life with them if you don't lie to them.I'm not justifying lies,but with what is happening in the society today,it is only those whom have determined to be lieing that can make money.Lie is used to cover the sins that one has committed.It is only those that have chosen the path of God that lives without lies.Only those who have the fear of God in them  that does not lie.But it is good when we live without lieing,and it is moral to live without it.
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May 11, 2022, 07:43:36 AM
#22
Lying only exists if something's that's spoken of is demonstrably untrue with intent. In fact, a lot of peoples' lies aren't actually lies. They're mistakes from being uninformed thus there isn't any intent to say something that's false. Ignorance is human nature more than anything.

Lying is part of a politician's nature, though  Grin
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May 11, 2022, 04:21:22 AM
#21
A habitual liar did get elected into the WH.
He successfully spat out over 30,000 "untruth" and misleading information and had people gobble them up. Information that could be easily verified too. He's probably skilled in the art of lying to continuously fool people over and over enriching himself in the process.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

Yeah, I've shared that link myself a few times. The number is quite astonishing, and I do think this is a big part of his success, the speed with which one lie is replaced by the next. Our modern 24-hour news culture is a big part of this as well, everything is 'breaking news', up-to-the-minute... and whenever Trump said something outrageous, it wasn't like everyone could sit back and assess it over the next day, it just got buried five minutes later by the next lie... and there was no time to focus on that one either, because the next one had already appeared, etc. The fact that he was able to keep this up almost without a break is quite a skill in itself.
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May 10, 2022, 05:26:34 PM
#20

Yeah, definitely, I was talking more about the evolutionary origin of lying and the extent to which lying is 'natural' behaviour amongst the human population.

Certainly the modern world is very different to the world we've lived in for the vast majority of our evolutionary history as a social species, and selection pressures are no longer the same. It's no doubt true that habitual lying can be rewarded much more now than it has been in the (evolutionary) past, because we live in a global society where we can interact a lot more with people we don't know*, and the stuff we can lie about is no longer easily verifiable (or necessarily verifiable at all). The guy who keeps telling his tribe "There's a lion coming! Get back to the cave!" gets found out, and kicked out of the group. The guy who says "The reason you don't have a job is all these immigrants" does not get found out so much. Who knows, one day a habitual liar might even rise to become POTUS...




* as I'm doing right now. Although I'm not lying!

A habitual liar did get elected into the WH.
He successfully spat out over 30,000 "untruth" and misleading information and had people gobble them up. Information that could be easily verified too. He's probably skilled in the art of lying to continuously fool people over and over enriching himself in the process.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
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May 10, 2022, 10:37:19 AM
#19
Diogenes of Sinope (l. c. 404-323 BCE) a Greek went around streets with a lantern in Athens. he was searching for an honest man. To his surprise he found none. But I believe I am one Grin Grin  Any ways its a place where we all want to maximize our profits. Profit of one is loss of the other, and to make profit lying become part of game. Stay honest, they will fool you, or else take the charge get smart, even if you are called a liar.
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May 10, 2022, 10:21:15 AM
#18
From an evolutionary perspective though, persistent liars will be selected against, and people with a tendency for habitual deceit will gradually be weeded out of the gene pool... this is because we have memory, and learn to distrust those who always deceive. Reciprocal altruism is a cornerstone of our success as a species, and if you always behave in an untrustworthy way, then you lose its benefits.

It can work the other way too, can't it? For example, politicians and business people tend to lie a lot but have no problem reproducing, and often hold an edge over hoi polloi. I can imagine an outcome where the species is dominated by liars. I don't think we're anywhere near that or moving significantly in that direction, and if it were to happen it would basically kill any kind of progress (Soviet Block comes to mind, where deception, corruption, and theft was rampant), but it is in theory possible.

Yeah, definitely, I was talking more about the evolutionary origin of lying and the extent to which lying is 'natural' behaviour amongst the human population.

Certainly the modern world is very different to the world we've lived in for the vast majority of our evolutionary history as a social species, and selection pressures are no longer the same. It's no doubt true that habitual lying can be rewarded much more now than it has been in the (evolutionary) past, because we live in a global society where we can interact a lot more with people we don't know*, and the stuff we can lie about is no longer easily verifiable (or necessarily verifiable at all). The guy who keeps telling his tribe "There's a lion coming! Get back to the cave!" gets found out, and kicked out of the group. The guy who says "The reason you don't have a job is all these immigrants" does not get found out so much. Who knows, one day a habitual liar might even rise to become POTUS...




* as I'm doing right now. Although I'm not lying!
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May 10, 2022, 08:49:57 AM
#17
People at default tell lies because they see it as the normal thing everyone does. But the fact that majority tell lies doesn't make it right. Sometimes situations warrant people to compromise standards by lying, they see it as an act used to save themselves of trouble and its becoming the human nature, but it's not supposed to be. Personal standards and determination not to tell lies helps a lot in staying away from lying.
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April 27, 2022, 01:21:12 PM
#16
Telling a fib today is considered harmless and most people seem to lie so quickly and are very good at it too. We all know lying isn't good anyway it's being looked at but we all indulge in it and very frequently too. And today, it is considered harmless and a little white lie; almost innocent lol.
Can we as humans ever stop telling lies?
Theirs some kind things that is not suppose to be present. Asking if lie's is part of life and which everyone knows that many people choose lies as hobby and especially scammers that gives false information to extort funds from people. Humans has already taken it as culture so since culture is demand lies and corruption can not stop except every body is comfortable of live living and we kny that is no way every body can be comfortable of live
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April 27, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
#15
Lying is a bad trait no doubt, but sometimes some person don't like the truth, that's just how they are.

Considering Africa for example, if a child did wrong and tells the truth he still gets the beating of his life, but if lying sometimes give him/her an escape the route which they take.

The Bible also say the truth will set us free, but most of the time we end up have troubles sometimes for tell the truth. I'm not saying lying is better but it is an escape route some times.
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April 26, 2022, 03:53:30 PM
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Internet often distorts these things, e.g. it may seem that there are more liars around... but in the end it's still about surround yourself with people that you can trust.

From an evolutionary perspective though, persistent liars will be selected against, and people with a tendency for habitual deceit will gradually be weeded out of the gene pool... this is because we have memory, and learn to distrust those who always deceive. Reciprocal altruism is a cornerstone of our success as a species, and if you always behave in an untrustworthy way, then you lose its benefits.

It can work the other way too, can't it? For example, politicians and business people tend to lie a lot but have no problem reproducing, and often hold an edge over hoi polloi. I can imagine an outcome where the species is dominated by liars. I don't think we're anywhere near that or moving significantly in that direction, and if it were to happen it would basically kill any kind of progress (Soviet Block comes to mind, where deception, corruption, and theft was rampant), but it is in theory possible.

People have grown so accustomed to lying in their daily lives that in spite of being an honest person, I find that most people take what I say as not being truthful. Try telling my story at a bar sometime… I’ve literally been laughed at for saying things I don’t even think are hard to believe. I imagine if I told my entire story, 999 out of a thousand people would call me a liar. Want to see this in action? I’ve been giving away Bitcoin on a weekly basis for 10+ years now and people still call my organization a Ponzi scheme and I’ve even been left negative trust for my good deeds, because the reality that I’ve been giving up so much money for so long when I didn’t have to seems too hard to believe to be true for most people so they assume it’s a lie. Funny how human nature works. People are quick to put their own immoral beliefs on others and assume that everyone is as shitty a person as they are. The sooner in life you learn this, the better.

None of the negative ratings you got are for "giving away Bitcoin" or "good deeds", and most refer to documented untrustworthy actions. E.g. collecting Bitcoin to begin your scheme under a guise of "investment" and then renaming it to some sort of charity when the abysmal ROI of said investment became obvious. Speaking of lying, you do realize that your trust ratings are public, and so are the references? Why do you lie so blatantly about something so easily visible? Rhetorical question.
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April 26, 2022, 02:09:08 PM
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People have grown so accustomed to lying in their daily lives that in spite of being an honest person, I find that most people take what I say as not being truthful. Try telling my story at a bar sometime… I’ve literally been laughed at for saying things I don’t even think are hard to believe. I imagine if I told my entire story, 999 out of a thousand people would call me a liar. Want to see this in action? I’ve been giving away Bitcoin on a weekly basis for 10+ years now and people still call my organization a Ponzi scheme and I’ve even been left negative trust for my good deeds, because the reality that I’ve been giving up so much money for so long when I didn’t have to seems too hard to believe to be true for most people so they assume it’s a lie. Funny how human nature works. People are quick to put their own immoral beliefs on others and assume that everyone is as shitty a person as they are. The sooner in life you learn this, the better.
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April 26, 2022, 09:10:53 AM
#12
Lying is an evil trait because if you used to tell lies, you will become addicted to it in an alarming way. Because the more you tell lies, the more you don't care about your stories whether it's true or not, and sometimes you tell lies stories to make people laugh, and when you find that entertaining to others, you keep doing it as if seems you don't really care about the consequences. But do you know that slandering people are far worse lies than you could ever do? Better not to be engaged with such action before it's uncontrollable.

There are some lies that are necessary for example, telling your wife about her cook was good to prevent her from being disappointed after a long day of work to preserve your relationship and live a happy life but I think that's the only valid reason you could ever lie and there are some more but I just don't know  Cheesy Grin
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April 26, 2022, 03:03:54 AM
#11
for now it's hard to leave lies because even lies can become a necessity. and hard to leave

Usually someone becomes a lie too for some reason. and not without reason.
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