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legendary
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August 10, 2017, 06:10:30 AM
No more than it is theft for you to drive down a toll road and not pay the toll.

Taxation is not similar to tolls. Toll is payable by only those who use the road. But income tax is payable by everyone, regardless of whether they are using the government services or not.
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August 10, 2017, 05:36:17 AM
The purpose of taxation is for the greater good of a nation...
But we may encounter problems on the implementation of projects wherein people's money are to be used.
We cannot deny the fact that some politician will always be taking advantage of the power given to them..
These is where theft occurs, as long this kind of people exist then there can be theft on our taxes...
Cheesy
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August 09, 2017, 09:25:46 PM
No more than it is theft for you to drive down a toll road and not pay the toll. Or utilize the water system when you didn't help build it or better yet access the internet when how much did you help build those? Even the water company and telecommunication company you pay each month to use that service more than likely didn't invest in the system you're using, they simply maintain it and are regulated not to charge you an arm & a leg to do so.
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August 09, 2017, 09:23:37 PM
Taxation is theft makes sense if we have a corrupt government. It's like we are working too hard to earn the money that we paid for our taxes, but corrupt government officials are stealing our money. While we are working miserably, they enjoy the luxury of spending the people's money.

So true. Taking someone's money is not theft if the person is not corrupt. Good government makes it not theft. Great point!
Thay happens only in wrong voting of candidates in a government which only wanted to be in position to steal more than money than they earned in their position and honestly my father works in a government and sometimes he said that there are some offer coming but not direct to other branch of government offering a huge money without doing nothing which cames from the peoples tax and other expences instead of spending the money to the poor. Some of the officials are too eager to earn money than to serve people.
legendary
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August 09, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
Taxation is theft makes sense if we have a corrupt government. It's like we are working too hard to earn the money that we paid for our taxes, but corrupt government officials are stealing our money. While we are working miserably, they enjoy the luxury of spending the people's money.

So true. Taking someone's money is not theft if the person is not corrupt. Good government makes it not theft. Great point!
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August 09, 2017, 07:47:28 AM
For the view of the citizen, the first problem taxation is that they are too high. Nobody would mind getting taxed 5% (as "should" be enough when you use your common sense). But the ongoing rates are up to 50% or even more (if you stack income tax plus VAT), and that sucks big time. So much, that one wonders why the economy is even somewhat working.

In our current fiat money systems, when the interest rate is very low, taxation is necessary to take money out of circulation to keep it rare.

On result of high taxes is, that all services done by other people who pay income taxes, become expensive, because you need to pay them and their taxes, too.
The other it's either the banks (at high interest rate), or those who borrow money (at low interest rate), who make all the profit. Sponsored by those who work hard.

And since I'm into conspiracy, it's all just the governments which are out there to own you Wink

The second problem is: Usage. Do you consent on how your "elected" government uses the taxes? E.g. The wars they fight for "your convenience and security" ? And why do we still deem in necessary to keep serving masters that lie to us ?
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August 09, 2017, 07:37:20 AM
Taxation is theft makes sense if we have a corrupt government. It's like we are working too hard to earn the money that we paid for our taxes, but corrupt government officials are stealing our money. While we are working miserably, they enjoy the luxury of spending the people's money.
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August 09, 2017, 07:27:12 AM
It is not the taxation system that is wrong but the one that handle the funds accomulated by it. The government as a whole is for the people but because of greed and selfish officials its ruined abny state or country.
legendary
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August 09, 2017, 06:34:43 AM
No. It's a necessity of a civilization. A sophisticated society cannot function without taxation. People will not make voluntary donations for roads, airports, schools, etc. Simply put, without a state and taxation, there will be no polity or society. nobody but fanatics is interested in pursuing such a state of affairs, but it's nice to know that you got a home on your Politics. This place has to be good for something.

When it comes down to it. Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society.
legendary
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August 09, 2017, 06:33:44 AM
Yes, taxation is stealing. The government specifically does this to take money from people and not allow them to be free, but when people need help from the state, they remain in trouble.
It's not really stealing because you pay it. It's more like robbery or extortion.

But the question is, why would you not want to pay taxes, or dislike the fact that you pay taxes?

I know right!?!

We all love paying taxes!
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Futurov
August 09, 2017, 06:04:18 AM
No. It's a necessity of a civilization. A sophisticated society cannot function without taxation. People will not make voluntary donations for roads, airports, schools, etc. Simply put, without a state and taxation, there will be no polity or society. nobody but fanatics is interested in pursuing such a state of affairs, but it's nice to know that you got a home on your Politics. This place has to be good for something.
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August 09, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Yes, taxation is stealing. The government specifically does this to take money from people and not allow them to be free, but when people need help from the state, they remain in trouble.
It's not really stealing because you pay it. It's more like robbery or extortion.

But the question is, why would you not want to pay taxes, or dislike the fact that you pay taxes?
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August 08, 2017, 07:17:15 AM
Yes, taxation is stealing. The government specifically does this to take money from people and not allow them to be free, but when people need help from the state, they remain in trouble.
legendary
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August 08, 2017, 05:01:32 AM
Ok, you all convinced me. Seeing the same answer over and over by people with signatures must mean that it is true.

I not think tax is theft. It depend on what it spent on. It good for society.
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August 08, 2017, 02:50:37 AM
they way i see it, taxation is not theft, excess taxation is. taxation for *common good* development of infrastructure, establishing governance, laws and legislation, security - all of which are necessary precurosrs for the establishment of secure stable nation states. absent those and you're left with anarchy, disorganized chaos.
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August 08, 2017, 02:47:04 AM
The idea of taxation as theft is a viewpoint found in a number of political philosophies. Under this view, government transgresses property rights by enforcing compulsory tax collection.

On the other hand governments play a large role in allowing such property rights. It wouldn't be anywhere as efficient in a world without centralization where everyone's fending for themselves.
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August 08, 2017, 01:49:29 AM
The idea of taxation as theft is a viewpoint found in a number of political philosophies. Under this view, government transgresses property rights by enforcing compulsory tax collection.
legendary
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August 08, 2017, 12:55:02 AM
I consider the taxation of theft, because in our country all residents pay taxes, but the state does nothing to improve life, but rather puts very tough conditions for survival and many leave the country.

This is true.
I live in Germany and as soon as I finish university I am leaving this country since I refuse to pay 40-60% of my income to the government. They completely waste the majority of the money too, it's quite a pathetic sight and I won't be supporting this nonsense.

I do believe that taxation is theft, but I would be fine with it if the money went to sensible uses and/or if citizens had a direct word on how their money gets used.

The funny thing about Germany is that the government always say that they have excess money (i.e budget surplus). If you have a 60% income tax rate and 100% VAT, then obviously the government coffers would be full. And this is the reason why the government is facing no hardships in spending $50 billion a year on the immigrants (i.e rapefugees) from Syria and Iraq.
sr. member
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August 07, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
Yes, it definitely is... The government should run a business like planting trees, fruits, and veggies to sustain their operations and to pay their employee's salary. We citizens should only give donations to them, we are the ones who should decide how much to pay them according to the services that they provide. If they suck then they don't even deserve a dime... If they are doing a great job then I would give them 10% of my monthly earnings. That's how I see it should be... think about it, humans!
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August 07, 2017, 04:23:45 PM
Taxation is itself not theft but the ones who collect duty are thief.
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