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Quote from: Buttercup123 on August 03, 2017, 10:05:44 PM

Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 08:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

It's not a theft on my personal opinion for which it returns regularly to every person. Government use our collected taxes to build and repair infrastructure that we need. Tax is also use to every project of the government. The collected tax is thrown to different fields, research, armory (army), donations (donated to disasters survivors), education, infrastructure (includes roads, bridges and repairs), and lending (public lending of money with little income). So to the Government must use it well maximize the collection of tax. It's like our money will be back by means of the government's services to us. One good example, our money will be back by means of government securing our safety.

So sad that you believe that only government can do these things. Even sadder that their propaganda has worked so well.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 08:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

It's not a theft on my personal opinion for which it returns regularly to every person. Government use our collected taxes to build and repair infrastructure that we need. Tax is also use to every project of the government. The collected tax is thrown to different fields, research, armory (army), donations (donated to disasters survivors), education, infrastructure (includes roads, bridges and repairs), and lending (public lending of money with little income). So to the Government must use it well maximize the collection of tax. It's like our money will be back by means of the government's services to us. One good example, our money will be back by means of government securing our safety.

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A quick survey that should help.

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Quote from: eagleman on August 03, 2017, 07:06:42 PM

Corrupt politicians that are having salary from the tax. I hate those people.
People are giving them salary and it's like a legit way of theft. It's a theft for me.

Bribes and commissions form the lion's share of the revenue for the politicians. Their proper salary, which is sourced from the tax money is only a small fraction of their overall annual revenues.

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Quote from: killgald on August 03, 2017, 08:27:01 PM

Quote from: eagleman on August 03, 2017, 07:06:42 PM

Corrupt politicians that are having salary from the tax. I hate those people.
People are giving them salary and it's like a legit way of theft. It's a theft for me.

It depends they can´t take all the money of taxes for themself, with that they pay the maintance of a country someone wacht them to not theft.

Interesting. If someone takes your money on the street without your consent, would you say that is theft? Or would it depend?

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Quote from: eagleman on August 03, 2017, 07:06:42 PM

Corrupt politicians that are having salary from the tax. I hate those people.
People are giving them salary and it's like a legit way of theft. It's a theft for me.

It depends they can´t take all the money of taxes for themself, with that they pay the maintance of a country someone wacht them to not theft.

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Corrupt politicians that are having salary from the tax. I hate those people.
People are giving them salary and it's like a legit way of theft. It's a theft for me.

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Quote from: Uvuvwevwevwe Osas on August 01, 2017, 05:47:49 AM

No taxation isn't theft. Build your own country or kingdom if you think it's theft. tax is the blood of a country to operate.

Interesting theory, I do not believe I have ever heard that before. Care to elaborate?

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No taxation isn't theft. Build your own country or kingdom if you think it's theft. tax is the blood of a country to operate.

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Quote from: Babylon on August 01, 2017, 03:44:13 AM

Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 08:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

In my country, politicians are accused to use taxes for their own good. Some government projects are over priced and of not good quality. So, I think that it all depends on the politician. If they are using the taxes properly and for good reasons, I think it would be worth paying the tax. Politicians shouldn't steal people's money and put it to waste.

Politicians do not depend. They are all thieves, without exception. It's human nature and probably cannot be blamed for it. If we were in their place and had the opportunity to become millionaires most likely acted in the same way. All depends on the people who vote for thieves and don't control them then.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 08:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

In my country, politicians are accused to use taxes for their own good. Some government projects are over priced and of not good quality. So, I think that it all depends on the politician. If they are using the taxes properly and for good reasons, I think it would be worth paying the tax. Politicians shouldn't steal people's money and put it to waste.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 31, 2017, 09:30:13 PM

Quote from: Rigorous on July 31, 2017, 09:23:35 AM

Taxation is theft. Revoke your citizenship, move to unclaimed territory and start your own nation. You are independent and in control!

PS Try to stay out of war.

A lot of people are doing that already, right? Last year (2016) thousands of Americans renounced their passports and moved to countries such as Dominica and Antigua. The number is going to be higher for this year.

Sounds like a silent invasion has been going on lately.
Okay. Let them go anywhere and spend lots of money on where they will be going.
They can spend lots of money and live like kings or princesses in that place because they return no taxes to any government.
After all, what is money if you ain't gonna be spending it?

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Quote from: Rigorous on July 31, 2017, 09:23:35 AM

Taxation is theft. Revoke your citizenship, move to unclaimed territory and start your own nation. You are independent and in control!

PS Try to stay out of war.

A lot of people are doing that already, right? Last year (2016) thousands of Americans renounced their passports and moved to countries such as Dominica and Antigua. The number is going to be higher for this year.

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Quote from: Ivan16 on July 31, 2017, 02:48:44 PM

Taxation is not theft if country investment money in the right places,example schools or national defense,to make economy and country stronger.But we have many states especially in Africa where governments put money from taxation in you buckets and make our citizens poorly.

Quote from: Elwar on July 29, 2017, 05:22:58 AM

Later actions alter past actions.

If you have sex with a girl without her consent it is not rape if you later bring her flowers and offer to take her to a fancy dinner.

Just like taking money from someone without their consent is not theft if later you spend the money well.

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Quote from: warwar on December 28, 2016, 09:52:34 PM

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 08:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

but look, if it's done right, tax can help improve the country and it's cities. Imagine if everyone is paying their taxes and then you can ue that money to help upgrade the local hospital of childrens playground, rework the pawement, etc... But usually that's not the case and also, high taxes make people avoid them, like the luxury tax or income tax.

Well if we could say that all are paying taxes but the problem is the government if they are not using it for good it just they are using it for useless projects and also they are corrupt the taxes that we paid is not back to us. Tax is for improvement for the country thats the reason why we pay tax but the problem is if the government is corrupt so that is the biggest problem how do they improve the country

I do think the problem starts with the government. Taxes are supposed to be used to conduct projects that would improve the community. But government official uses it to support their selves and to get their pockets fat.

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Taxation is not theft if country investment money in the right places,example schools or national defense,to make economy and country stronger.But we have many states especially in Africa where governments put money from taxation in you buckets and make our citizens poorly.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 08:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes it is, but what we can do about it, nothing that I can think of, so the only thing you can do is to pay your taxes, but try to lower your taxable income as much as you can.

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Quote from: Rigorous on July 31, 2017, 09:23:35 AM

Taxation is theft. Revoke your citizenship, move to unclaimed territory and start your own nation. You are independent and in control!

PS Try to stay out of war.

There is no unclaimed territory left on earth. And claiming territory on Mars won't be possible for quite some time.

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Taxation is theft. Revoke your citizenship, move to unclaimed territory and start your own nation. You are independent and in control!

PS Try to stay out of war.

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Quote from: Cult on July 31, 2017, 06:54:53 AM

It is hard to opt-out from society, you'll be using public property and services everywhere you go, some people will want a free ride, but if they are using public property and services why souldn't they pay?

It is not theft, it is a fee.

Fees are voluntary.

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