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Quote from: vok-wok_hok on August 07, 2017, 03:43:57 AM

I consider the taxation of theft, because in our country all residents pay taxes, but the state does nothing to improve life, but rather puts very tough conditions for survival and many leave the country.

This is true.
I live in Germany and as soon as I finish university I am leaving this country since I refuse to pay 40-60% of my income to the government. They completely waste the majority of the money too, it's quite a pathetic sight and I won't be supporting this nonsense.

I do believe that taxation is theft, but I would be fine with it if the money went to sensible uses and/or if citizens had a direct word on how their money gets used.

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I consider the taxation of theft, because in our country all residents pay taxes, but the state does nothing to improve life, but rather puts very tough conditions for survival and many leave the country.

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I am starting a poll on this thread.

Anyone who believes that we are owed the money of those that do not believe taxation is theft respond with the words "taxation is theft".

If you do not agree, type "I support the thread tax".

When the poll is tallied, those that do not believe taxation is theft will owe the rest of us money.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

i guess not, it is not a theft. Taxation is what happens when a person or a group of people decide that they will take a portion of your wealth or income, on terms decided solely by them. You are expected to remit funds in, as and when desired. If you do not comply, they will take it from your bank account, or have title to your property legally conveyed to them

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There are many kind of taxes in the world and taxes are the most important we all pay taxes when we are buying something because it so called business and you can make changes without the money of people you can't upgrade the city without budget we are in new technology.

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Quote from: dimatu on August 07, 2017, 12:51:02 AM

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Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

It depends, do I have a choice whether or not I rent? Is it voluntary?

If a woman is raped, would you tell her she should just go to a country with no men if she doesn't want to be raped?

Rape is a crime, taxation is not. And yes you have the choice to pay it or go to another country just as u have the choice to rent a different house.

The only difference between rape and sex is consent.
The only difference between theft and making a purchase is consent.

So...in the days where the king required each bride to have sex with him first on the honeymoon, you would not consider that rape? Because it was legal?

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Quote from: Elwar on August 07, 2017, 12:44:07 AM

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Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

It depends, do I have a choice whether or not I rent? Is it voluntary?

If a woman is raped, would you tell her she should just go to a country with no men if she doesn't want to be raped?

Rape is a crime, taxation is not. And yes you have the choice to pay it or go to another country just as u have the choice to rent a different house.

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Quote from: dimatu on August 07, 2017, 12:39:22 AM

Quote from: Elwar on August 07, 2017, 12:33:55 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2017, 12:27:44 AM

Quote from: pyedpyper on August 04, 2017, 04:38:18 PM

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

It depends, do I have a choice whether or not I rent? Is it voluntary?

If a woman is raped, would you tell her she should just go to a country with no men if she doesn't want to be raped?

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Quote from: Elwar on August 07, 2017, 12:33:55 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2017, 12:27:44 AM

Quote from: pyedpyper on August 04, 2017, 04:38:18 PM

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2017, 12:27:44 AM

Quote from: pyedpyper on August 04, 2017, 04:38:18 PM

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

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Quote from: pyedpyper on August 04, 2017, 04:38:18 PM

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much as that in Russia.

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Quote from: pyedpyper on August 04, 2017, 04:38:18 PM

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

Without taxes, the state cannot exist!

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Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Did you go to school?

Do you use the roads?

Did you ever visit the hospital? (unless you're from USA)

Then don't act like you haven't consented to taxation, you're using the benefits built and made from taxes
You must pay your taxes if you're going to use these services
It would be selfish to avoid it, and it could also get you to jail

Yes, I agree with your opinion, the many benefits of such taxes as you have said, taxes are a source of funds for the government, where tax funds are used to build the country as well as build supporting infrastructure so that the country progresses and its economy grows.
Maybe tax can be categorized theft if the application of taxes on the community in wrong use by unscrupulous government, the tax is in corruption for personal gain.

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In the current situation. Most of us are having a problem about taxes, and it is also one of the biggest problems in the country.. Looking back from the past years, we could say that the purpose of tax when it is used correctly is to develop a well organized country and economy, but as speaking also most people there in the position are making fun of that tax we paid. Not all but maybe few of them.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Tax is the government's way to earn money to fund the project's that would improve the community. The problem is the government officials are using it for their own. They're stealing the people's money which is supposed to be used in government projects.

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Now ask the court where the plaintiff should stand up and point out the danger or damage you did to him, and prove you are doing the damage now and do not accuse anyone.

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Quote from: johnextman852 on August 04, 2017, 12:54:50 AM

It's not theft. Government collect tax to use it for the people

Is it voluntary?

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It's not theft. Government collect tax to use it for the people

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