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sr. member
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July 22, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Taxation is not theft because local tax agents say that it's your duty to pay taxes. And they are in authority so you better must obey them.

I mean disobeying somebody in an authority position is just so evil that I can't even find words on it.
legendary
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July 22, 2017, 06:49:38 PM
I do feel like tax is theft. But mostly because the amount that I get taxed is way too large and I get no saying whatsoever in how my tax money gets used. Most of it gets spent on absolute bullshit that is detrimental to society and the environment, so even if it wasn't theft, it would still be a crime to this entire planet.

We need a tax system in which every tax payer can allocate portions of their tax to different proposed projects. Think of a tax-portfolio. If garbage isn't disposed of properly, then people will reallocate parts of their tax into that area until it's fixed. If governments spend too much on a politician's private hairdresser or their pens (lolGermany/France), then people can take out some of their "politician utilities" tax allocations and shift them elsewhere.

But as is, tax is a necessary evil that is left-over from a time that we should've long moved on from.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
July 22, 2017, 06:45:04 PM
They are important for nations, but many times they abuse of them and become thefts...

Someone taking something from someone without their consent does not "become theft" depending upon how they then spend that stolen money.

The act itself is what classifies it as theft. Not actions taken afterwards.
newbie
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July 22, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
They are important for nations, but many times they abuse of them and become thefts...
legendary
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July 22, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
If your government is using for good governance then it is good to pay your tax but if your leaders are embezzling the tax payers money the I don't you should be pay tax to them. Many countries are passing through financial and unemployment difficulties today because of their leaders miss management of tax payers fund.

If your government doesn't itemize their services, and let you BUY the services that you want, and not buy the services you don't want, with a receipt showing where your money went, they are embezzling your money from you.

Taxes are not only theft. They are embezzlement.

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July 22, 2017, 01:21:05 PM
If your government is using for good governance then it is good to pay your tax but if your leaders are embezzling the tax payers money the I don't you should be pay tax to them. Many countries are passing through financial and unemployment difficulties today because of their leaders miss management of tax payers fund.
legendary
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July 22, 2017, 12:52:11 PM
Your labor is your property.

Your pay for your labor is still your property because you simply made a trade, thereby converting your property into money.

The taking of your money without your knowing, and willful volunteering of it is theft.

Money volunteered in the form that is called "taxes" is donation, not tax.

Money unwillingly given because the giving is forced on you is taxation.

The forcing makes it theft.

The twisting of language into legal form that gives Government supposed authority to steal your money in the form of taxes is fraud.

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July 22, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
Not really but people whose control the system are the real theft so sad bad truth. If resources were better distribuited the goverment will have a good reputation.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
July 18, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
Taxation isn't theft, its the cost of living in society and you definitely do have a say on your taxes because you can choose who you vote for.

legendary
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July 18, 2017, 08:38:08 AM
Taxation isn't theft, its the cost of living in society and you definitely do have a say on your taxes because you can choose who you vote for.

Choosing who to vote for doesn't determine who wins the election.

In the USA, the Electoral College determines who gets elected. The only reason they might attempt to reflect the public's desires is that there might be some flack from the public if they do it wrong. But there usually isn't.

So, once these officials get elected, they appoint all kinds of people to carry out their orders. These people hire others to carry out their orders. By the time it gets down to the the final instructions for the public, it is way different that the elected officials had in mind anyway. That's part of the reason that we have codes rather than laws to follow.

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newbie
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July 18, 2017, 08:15:34 AM
Taxation isn't theft, its the cost of living in society and you definitely do have a say on your taxes because you can choose who you vote for.
legendary
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July 18, 2017, 08:13:05 AM
Government, itself is only paperwork.

Government officials are people.

In the USA, the proper way to stop people from stealing your property is to take them to court as people, not as corporate government officials.

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legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
July 18, 2017, 06:23:35 AM
sr. member
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July 18, 2017, 02:29:56 AM
If you consent to pay, what's being theft about taxes?

Someone compared taxes with rape. So if you agree to have sex, that's not rape at all. It won't qualify an offence.
But if you don't agree, and yet you liked what's going on. How do you call that?

So when you're feeling being forced to pay taxes (you hated paying), but then you see the tax collector is beautiful and sexy woman or a handsome; so now you love to pay the tax. How do you call that?
sr. member
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July 18, 2017, 02:09:27 AM
If you feel robbed by the government, and

you hate getting taxed, it's simple, don't pay it.

And if you don't want your government to run after you, go to another country where taxes are not taken seriously.

If you hate getting raped it's simple, go some place where there are no men.

Being taxed is a feeling like getting raped for some people.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
July 17, 2017, 10:20:47 PM
Taxes can be used like silent thefts, there are many for this purpose, but they are part of the income of a country.

The government is dependent on the tax revenues. I agree with that. But what is the point in having super-high tax rates (such as 45% income tax in Germany), when you are imposing a lot of indirect taxes as well (such as VAT and GST)?

Because they can.
legendary
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July 17, 2017, 09:14:46 PM
Taxes can be used like silent thefts, there are many for this purpose, but they are part of the income of a country.

The government is dependent on the tax revenues. I agree with that. But what is the point in having super-high tax rates (such as 45% income tax in Germany), when you are imposing a lot of indirect taxes as well (such as VAT and GST)?
newbie
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July 17, 2017, 09:12:45 PM
Taxes can be used like silent thefts, there are many for this purpose, but they are part of the income of a country.
newbie
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July 17, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
as it is executed in most "civilized" countries it is not only theft but a crucial part in a system of enslavement 2.0
though im glad they dont whip us anymore
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July 17, 2017, 08:18:55 PM
For all of those people that are ok with someone taking your money as long as the money is used for "good" with only a little bit of corruption, please list your bank account login information along with your bank wire codes. I promise I will do some good with your money. You are now bound by this social contract I just created.

Also please PM me your bitcoin private keys. I promise not to steal your bitcoins. I will only tax them.
I find it funny that you are making fun of it because it's some kind of true, it is like that. If you plan to make use of your money for the better or for "Good", it's better to donate to a known charity that for sure, not use your money on evil things because I think there are a lot of charities that are frauds and cannot make due to other promises that they say.
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