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legendary
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November 17, 2018, 04:47:48 PM
Actually, taxation is extortion, not theft. Theft means "the action or crime of stealing". Extortion means "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats".

I know the motto "Taxation is theft" sounds good, but it's not as accurate as "Taxation is extortion".

True story.

But most people don't know the definition of extortion.

Then there is taxation as a con game, a confidence game, in which willing suckers are induced to part with their money on false premises.

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan."
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
November 16, 2018, 10:38:59 AM
Actually, taxation is extortion, not theft. Theft means "the action or crime of stealing". Extortion means "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats".

I know the motto "Taxation is theft" sounds good, but it's not as accurate as "Taxation is extortion".

True story.

But most people don't know the definition of extortion.
copper member
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November 16, 2018, 09:47:49 AM
Actually, taxation is extortion, not theft. Theft means "the action or crime of stealing". Extortion means "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats".

I know the motto "Taxation is theft" sounds good, but it's not as accurate as "Taxation is extortion".
legendary
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Merit: 1373
November 15, 2018, 09:27:32 PM
Before government came along, people took care of each other, and the various churches organized a lot of it. It was almost 100% volunteer work. Even if a church required a tithe, anybody could quit the church. But it is very difficult to quit the government and taxation.

Cool
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_medieval_England

Monty Python - Constitutional Peasants Scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng.

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legendary
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November 15, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
Before government came along, people took care of each other, and the various churches organized a lot of it. It was almost 100% volunteer work. Even if a church required a tithe, anybody could quit the church. But it is very difficult to quit the government and taxation.

Cool
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_medieval_England

It has always happened, in some ways.
The cash will be removed soon. There will be only online transactions from cards, apple pays to google wallets, etc ..
You can buy groceries with those today.
We're very lucky to have bitcoin. This is a game changer. It will happen over time. Smiley
legendary
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November 15, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
You do not have to pay taxes because you do not have to earn taxable income.  Income that is not benefiting from public services is not taxable.   You want to benefit from public services without having to pay into it.  What you want is to live in a well-functioning society for free. 

Obamacare is a tax on being alive.

You no longer have a choice of not paying taxes by not earning income.

Yes, you do. Trump fixed that by eliminating the personal mandate.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
November 14, 2018, 02:49:28 PM
You do not have to pay taxes because you do not have to earn taxable income.  Income that is not benefiting from public services is not taxable.   You want to benefit from public services without having to pay into it.  What you want is to live in a well-functioning society for free. 

Obamacare is a tax on being alive.

You no longer have a choice of not paying taxes by not earning income.
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@cryptocommies
November 14, 2018, 03:26:55 AM
You do not have to pay taxes because you do not have to earn taxable income.  Income that is not benefiting from public services is not taxable.   You want to benefit from public services without having to pay into it.  What you want is to live in a well-functioning society for free. 
legendary
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November 13, 2018, 10:26:07 AM
Two things.

You can only give back to government if you receive something from them. That is not what taxation is about. Rather, giving back is repaying a loan. Taxation is stealing when it isn't really owed.

When you are made (forced) to do something, it is called slavery. If you are forced to be a slave for government, they call it "involuntary servitude," and the reason why they don't what people to be slaves of other people is, it would take away their power of slave-master over all.

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November 13, 2018, 09:03:41 AM
I think that taxation is a way to make you give back to the government and this varies in line with one's income. Some items are excused while tax payment is compulsory for some luxury items or goods. I consider taxation as stealing where the government deliberately misappropriated this taxpayers money.
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November 12, 2018, 02:58:16 PM
Before government came along, people took care of each other, and the various churches organized a lot of it. It was almost 100% volunteer work. Even if a church required a tithe, anybody could quit the church. But it is very difficult to quit the government and taxation.

Cool
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_medieval_England
legendary
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November 12, 2018, 12:54:02 PM
Before government came along, people took care of each other, and the various churches organized a lot of it. It was almost 100% volunteer work. Even if a church required a tithe, anybody could quit the church. But it is very difficult to quit the government and taxation.

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newbie
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November 12, 2018, 06:15:46 AM
I don't think so. I mean we expect the government to provide certain things for us. And we measure a country's well being by how well they are able to use the resources they have.

Some argue that everyone should be able to take care of themselves through their own means. But, objectively, there will always be groups that are underprivileged and regardless of how much they try, won't be able to get out of the situation they find themselves in. That's just my opinion. It's not theft, but there should be a way to measure how the money is being spent and whether it's truly helpful.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
November 11, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
legendary
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November 11, 2018, 05:33:28 PM
Do you know what the publisher said to Isaac Asimov when he turned in some of his sci-fi manuscripts? They told him that bad people weren't as innocent as he made them out to be in his stories, and that he should become more realistic.

Marx was simply a puppet of criminals who liked the sound of his work. They could push his wonderful ideals onto an unsuspecting public flock of unsuspecting sheep. And they did. Then they became extremely wealthy off the flock.

I suggest reading between the lines of Marx a little. But that isn't as important as reading all around the outside, to see what really happened when Marxism was implemented.

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@cryptocommies
November 11, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
Its almost as if your example involved some Marxist principals at work...

Marx doesn't believe in working for your capital. The state shall provide.
This is false.  I also think its pretty telling how your trip to Saigon revealed how much freedom there was.  The way you wrote that post made it look like you didn't know you were in a socialist country.  You pretty much backed yourself into an endorsement of Marxist values. 

  Were it not from many of the policies put forth by the Marxist government in Vietnam, people would be too poor to start these small businesses.  It turns out, that being able to easily afford the basics (thanks to price controls) frees people up to make the most out of other opportunities.  

Right. To say it better, Marx doesn't believe in working for YOUR capital. Marx believes in working for the State's capital. Marx believes that you and your labor belong to the State. No freedom there... which is okay if that is what you want.

Just remember. It's easy to get in, but hard to get out.

Cool
Perhaps you should actually read Marx because this quote makes it apparent that you never have.    PLEASE PLEASE read Engels or Marx before attributing baseless claims to their work.

"the executive of the modern state is nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie."


"Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another."

"Man, at last the master of his own form of social organization, becomes at the same time the lord over Nature, his own master—free."
legendary
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Merit: 1373
November 11, 2018, 04:19:10 PM
Its almost as if your example involved some Marxist principals at work...

Marx doesn't believe in working for your capital. The state shall provide.
This is false.  I also think its pretty telling how your trip to Saigon revealed how much freedom there was.  The way you wrote that post made it look like you didn't know you were in a socialist country.  You pretty much backed yourself into an endorsement of Marxist values. 

  Were it not from many of the policies put forth by the Marxist government in Vietnam, people would be too poor to start these small businesses.  It turns out, that being able to easily afford the basics (thanks to price controls) frees people up to make the most out of other opportunities.  

Right. To say it better, Marx doesn't believe in working for YOUR capital. Marx believes in working for the State's capital. Marx believes that you and your labor belong to the State. No freedom there... which is okay if that is what you want.

Just remember. It's easy to get in, but hard to get out.

Cool
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@cryptocommies
November 11, 2018, 02:46:16 PM
Its almost as if your example involved some Marxist principals at work...

Marx doesn't believe in working for your capital. The state shall provide.
This is false.  I also think its pretty telling how your trip to Saigon revealed how much freedom there was.  The way you wrote that post made it look like you didn't know you were in a socialist country.  You pretty much backed yourself into an endorsement of Marxist values. 

  Were it not from many of the policies put forth by the Marxist government in Vietnam, people would be too poor to start these small businesses.  It turns out, that being able to easily afford the basics (thanks to price controls) frees people up to make the most out of other opportunities.  
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
November 11, 2018, 05:25:47 AM
Taxation can be excessive in certain parts of the world.  I look at it as the cost of doing business in a country.  If I don’t like how I’m being taxed, I can either vote or move somewhere else. 

How does voting help?
member
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November 11, 2018, 04:11:09 AM
Taxation can be excessive in certain parts of the world.  I look at it as the cost of doing business in a country.  If I don’t like how I’m being taxed, I can either vote or move somewhere else. 
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