Topic: Is taxation theft? (Read 1765 times)

This situation really varies on the status of the country where you are since if to many bad things happened there and politicians is not trusted to handle their position since they are professional criminals then we can really assume that theft is taxation.

But if the government is using the funds they collected from our taxes and they are transparent of everything then give us good healthcare then I don't think we can call taxation is theft. Although situation really vary to each country since not all politicians look forward for the welfare of their people. Since lots of them just want to corrupt and earn lots of money from people who supports them.

First of all,we need to understand what thief/stealing means. Thief/stealing means "To Take without right or permission.Every country have  laws and order of doing things and whatever is not prohibited by law cannot be seen as stealing. Taxation is not illegal or prohibited by any Country law rather it is the right/duty of the government to collect money from all citizens for public services. Public services like building schools,roads,provide stable electricity and security to betterment the lives of the citizens.

Government doesn't need  permission to impose tax on her citizens it is their right as it is been back by law. Infact it your right as a citizen to pay your taxes and it is illegal if you refuse because it is so unlawful not to pay tax

Thinking that Taxation is a thief means you either don't understand/comprehend what tax are.

So Taxation is not thief,it is those that have refuse to pay their taxes are the real thieves.

Morals talking time.

Surely a matter of topic that has concerned many philosophers and intellectuals. I imagine most of (genuine) Bitcoiners be like "back-to-the-landers", libertarians, with desire to be self-sufficient. However, objectively speaking, taxation is theft. It's taking someone's property without their consent, and it is compulsory. It very much fits the definition of theft, even though you can find it slightly altered in other sources, like the Cambridge dictionary ("the crime of illegally taking something that belongs to someone else")

(That's right dear reader, that was a clickbait!)

The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

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My stance on this is that both "groups" bring some compelling arguments on the table, in favor of their ideology. I don't know. I think there's a place where we draw the line. For example, nowadays, I think we've crossed that line (towards more government of course). I don't think we need that much government into the markets.

I also feel really stupid when I see politicians talking about taxing gains from cryptocurrencies, with phrases like "unhosted wallets", or by attacking privacy services. They talk as if privacy invasion is a requirement, or "obligation" as per the social contract theory. I think this really crosses the line.

The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

The ones that are been payed, how many are actually used to build the society? This is currently what the United state citizens are fighting because the taxes they paid are been used to fund Ukraine and Russia war and many unhealthy things that doesn't benefits their economy. If indeed taxation is been handled as the way states and federal makes money through state are been deploy accurately back to the society, there is going to be a too standard states across many countries but they don't

Let's see it this way that without us paying tax, we might not get the society we dream of living. Let's assume that if the taxes are not taken then how do we expect the government to provides social amenities? Since evebody want's to live in a conducive environment, and for us to achieve that, we agreed that we will contribute to the in the form of tax from the government. So I don't see tax as theft, rather as willing contribution. because we are aware that this is our part to get an improved standard of living. So I don't see tax as theft.

Let's see it this way that without us paying tax, we might not get the society we dream of living. Let's assume that if the taxes are not taken then how do we expect the government to provides social amenities? Since evebody want's to live in a conducive environment, and for us to achieve that, we agreed that we will contribute to the in the form of tax from the government. So I don't see tax as theft, rather as willing contribution. because we are aware that this is our part to get an improved standard of living. So I don't see tax as theft.

Taxes will not be said to be open theft if the tax results are returned for the benefit of the community, economic development, infrastructure development and others for state development, but the tax will be considered as theft if the government is to enrich themselves.

I agree to that, taxes should be with understanding between the two parties but in most cases I think it's not cause what the government do is make decisions that they can't carry on anytime soon leaving the masses in dilusion and be left with paying up taxes on specific basis, meanwhile the reasons why the taxes are allocated are not being exercised which is bad and with this I think it's theft on the higher notes cause what's to be done with the tax allocations are not done and in most cases taxes are not being notified to the users .

The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

In every advanced country the government demand for taxes to develop the country or give back something meaningful to it's citizens. In a country like Nigeria I would say taxation is actually theft because the government are not doing anything meaningful with the resources they are getting from people. If people are paying taxes there should be good roads and proper medical facilities In the country. This is also part of the money that those in power embezzle. Paying taxes is actually a good thing that every business or organization should be involved in.

All that you might consider the greatest and most prosperous countries in the world have accepted the simple reality that taxes are necessary. In order for a country to stay independent and free to make it's own choices, it requires a military that can project power - these militaries, as long as they are properly controlled, require funding from the central government which is partly funded by taxes. In order to do many things, like customs checks, food healthchecks and countless other hidden benefits, you require some form of taxation and enforcement because it takes very little time for disorder to set in, where business owners will undermine rules for their own personal benefit if they can get away with it, to the detriment of everyone else.

Morals talking time.

Surely a matter of topic that has concerned many philosophers and intellectuals. I imagine most of (genuine) Bitcoiners be like "back-to-the-landers", libertarians, with desire to be self-sufficient. However, objectively speaking, taxation is theft. It's taking someone's property without their consent, and it is compulsory. It very much fits the definition of theft, even though you can find it slightly altered in other sources, like the Cambridge dictionary ("the crime of illegally taking something that belongs to someone else")

(That's right dear reader, that was a clickbait!)

The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

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My stance on this is that both "groups" bring some compelling arguments on the table, in favor of their ideology. I don't know. I think there's a place where we draw the line. For example, nowadays, I think we've crossed that line (towards more government of course). I don't think we need that much government into the markets.

I also feel really stupid when I see politicians talking about taxing gains from cryptocurrencies, with phrases like "unhosted wallets", or by attacking privacy services. They talk as if privacy invasion is a requirement, or "obligation" as per the social contract theory. I think this really crosses the line.

We would not call it theft because their is no country thay they don't pay tax it's a means of generating revenue and the government needs it to run the affairs of of the country and the government makes good money from taxes, this something that everyone is aware of that the government must tax so it's not somthing to even argue about, just that the reason for taxation is for making the life's of their people okay, they are now doing it to enrich them selfs, and people are facing more challenges because the tax was supposed to be paid and made everything easy. And that is one of the reasons that people think tax is theft because they are not even doing the right thing with the money.

A lot of people are disappointed in the government because of the nature of mismanagement of funds and they even spend money on things that are not important and claim they spend a huge amount of money deceiving their selfs thinking they are deceiving people because people are watching them and the moment people will get tired that is when people will take action on the government.

I agree to that, taxes should be with understanding between the two parties but in most cases I think it's not cause what the government do is make decisions that they can't carry on anytime soon leaving the masses in dilusion and be left with paying up taxes on specific basis, meanwhile the reasons why the taxes are allocated are not being exercised which is bad and with this I think it's theft on the higher notes cause what's to be done with the tax allocations are not done and in most cases taxes are not being notified to the users .