Topic: Is taxation theft? (Read 2368 times)

Of course taxes paid and distribute them to the community, it will improve the welfare of the people themselves as expected and,the benefits of taxes will have a good effect, because the use of taxes is widely applied in building a country to be more advanced, but sometimes the distribution of taxes is not right, and that's what hinders it.

government CAN NEVER make good use of the taxes, becuase they are not aligned with the market, but the politcal cycle.

In many African countries, the purpose of collecting tax is not use for those things but either for the individual end or the government hand. The taxes collected directly by the government are used to build their private universities and launder them in abroad. And the individuals collected once are used for their private used.
Tax was meant for the benefits of the people in the community and the society at large but right now in Africa, tax is to suffer the people. It is because of taxation in the African continent that increase inflation rate to 400% and making the poor to suffer and as we are speaking right there is a disease outbreak (Cholera), and people are dieing every day in my locality and what is the caused. Contaminated foods and drinking water. Yet many people don't know the reason why the sickness suddenly came out in the country. The improper taxation in the country in which the people can't afford the high cost of things.

Of course taxes paid and distribute them to the community, it will improve the welfare of the people themselves as expected and,the benefits of taxes will have a good effect, because the use of taxes is widely applied in building a country to be more advanced, but sometimes the distribution of taxes is not right, and that's what hinders it.

What you have explained above is very appropriate, taxes paid by the community can be used for development and benefit many people, but if the taxes paid by the community are not used properly, of course there will be many problems faced by the community and in this case, of course those who manage it have used it for their own interests or a group of them only, but the people who have paid taxes cannot make any profit from the taxes they pay, if only they managed the results of the taxes well, of course the people who pay them will be able to enjoy the results of the taxes they pay.

Off course taxation is lawful in every state, country and economy. Tax is a form of internal revenue generating funds the state. All businesses, firms and establishments are to pay tax to the government. These taxes are to be used for implementing set targets in the state, for the development and of the state through social amenities that will be beneficial to the masses well.

The problem with taxation is the fact that after these taxes are been collected the results are not really seen in terms of works to be done in the state for the masses to see enjoy and happily pay taxes. Also another problem is the unjust taxation in virtually everything and increase in tax percentages.

Taxation is not theft, but payment for the fact that a person lives in the state and uses its institutions. Theft is unfair taxation. For example, the poorer a person is, the more of his income he gives away in taxes, and vice versa, the richer a person is, the less of his income he spends on taxes (if he pays them at all). Such a system is theft.

Taxation is necessary in any case in human society. After all, these funds are used to finance the army, health care, public sector employees, roads, various social projects, without which it would be very difficult for an ordinary person to live in society. Therefore, whether we want it or not, taxation is necessary.

But another question is whether the amount of this taxation is fair and whether these funds are distributed fairly. Here we will almost always receive a negative answer and it is unlikely that the situation will ever change. Such is human nature in this material world. Only when humanity, without wars and cataclysms, will work for a long time to improve the standard of living, then, perhaps, we will be able to say that we are in order with taxation issues. But then, most likely, the question of taxation will disappear by itself due to the uselessness of taxation itself.

The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

I will borrow your words that taxation is a necessary evil that has to be done for the state to functional exist and carry out the primary responsibility of protecting lives and properties of the citizens so tax has to be paid from the side of the citizens who are protected them and there business from external agrisors so I am of the view that taxation is not a theft.

Morals talking time.

Surely a matter of topic that has concerned many philosophers and intellectuals. I imagine most of (genuine) Bitcoiners be like "back-to-the-landers", libertarians, with desire to be self-sufficient. However, objectively speaking, taxation is theft. It's taking someone's property without their consent, and it is compulsory. It very much fits the definition of theft, even though you can find it slightly altered in other sources, like the Cambridge dictionary ("the crime of illegally taking something that belongs to someone else")

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The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

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My stance on this is that both "groups" bring some compelling arguments on the table, in favor of their ideology. I don't know. I think there's a place where we draw the line. For example, nowadays, I think we've crossed that line (towards more government of course). I don't think we need that much government into the markets.

I also feel really stupid when I see politicians talking about taxing gains from cryptocurrencies, with phrases like "unhosted wallets", or by attacking privacy services. They talk as if privacy invasion is a requirement, or "obligation" as per the social contract theory. I think this really crosses the line.

Where ever you are forced to buy, give or aquire something rather of your free will, yes that is theft.

Gov forces you to give them $$$$ or they use violence against you, so thats theft.

Is it really against your consent though? They didn't take the taxes without you knowing. Before any tax is passed or increased the public is notified. So I guess we can take the issue of theft away.

Taxation becomes wrong when it becomes extreme and when the government don't make good use of the taxes. In my opinion, taxes are like payments to the government so they'll be able to continue providing what they're supposed to provide for their citizens. Where it becomes wrong is when you pay your taxes yet don't get anything in return.

Taxing gains from cryptocurrencies is extreme to me too and I agree that it crosses the line. In that case, we can say that they're overstepping. The fact that they're in charge of the citizens of their country doesn't mean the citizens should have no power over themselves. They should have a right to privacy.

Tax is theft when it is overly implemented, it does not in any way support the poor or make life better for them.

It makes life worse for those below average. 

If the heavy tax imposed were cut out for those average and well to do people, it would have been less intimidating.

The taxes are scary, and it has turned theft in my own understanding and that is why I strive so much to get my incomes from investments and working for companies remotely, so the government does not have a direct grasp on my finances.