Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 6. (Read 1765 times)

I understand the process of making a new regulation to produce a law, this of course requires approval from the people's representatives, in the case of those we elected in yesterday's election. I'm not sure whether these people can vote to agree or not, so the impression is that this tax law is something that was agreed to by one side or another. It is the people who bear the burden where every year they have to pay taxes and report them, of course no one is happy about this.

The government never wants to know how many hours you work in a day and how many days you work in a year. What they ask from you is taxes as long as the amount of assets you earn from your job in a year meets the taxpayer's requirements. Even the smallest, every item you buy today, including cigarettes, electricity bills, WiFi bills, TV package subscriptions and many others, requires you to pay tax. Are you happy with all that?

when citizens vote they choose who manages the country whom determines how laws and policy is made
people AGREE and consent to be managed which comes with costs, people agree that some situations of life are not assured and so they agree that some representatives of the masses can organise such funds to the distribute to the services/functions that are needed which individuals cant do for themselves.

so tax is not theft when its part of the law that had been agreed to by the representatives the majority consented to

The government only informs each citizen about taxpayers, they never directly ask each individual to pay taxes.

The regulations implemented by the government seem cruel because they take other people's property without that person's consent, but that's how they work, whenever they have the opportunity they will cut it automatically without having to ask permission first. This cannot be called theft, because it is legalized in law, every good citizen must always obey every rule issued by the government, for example crypto taxation, if the government does not facilitate and supervise centralized exchanges, then you will have difficulty finding a place to convert Bitcoin into Dollar. The government will manage these taxes to build infrastructure and all public facilities. Here there is a mutually beneficial relationship, without realizing it, you will also enjoy all the facilities provided by the state from the tax money they take without your knowledge.

This one was an easy one for me, of course it is not theft, of course it is justified. The problem with the poll is that the topic name asks something else whereas the poll something else, so the answers could be mixed here I am afraid. I think the best thing to do right now would be just realizing that you are not going to end up with anything better, it is going to cost you a lot if you do not know what you are doing.

The best thing to do would be just realizing it is going to be tough, and if you know what you are doing, then you should be fine. Taxed or not, governments need that money to continue and if you do not want to pay taxes, you won't have a government and that is going to be the hardest part of it all.

but even before those events of officiating it nationally in countries, people were taxed based on their income. even the story of robinhood shows how people living in the realms of the king were taxed. and had tax collectors, so taxation was a known thing even centuries ago

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Morals talking time.

Surely a matter of topic that has concerned many philosophers and intellectuals. I imagine most of (genuine) Bitcoiners be like "back-to-the-landers", libertarians, with desire to be self-sufficient. However, objectively speaking, taxation is theft. It's taking someone's property without their consent, and it is compulsory. It very much fits the definition of theft, even though you can find it slightly altered in other sources, like the Cambridge dictionary ("the crime of illegally taking something that belongs to someone else")

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The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

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My stance on this is that both "groups" bring some compelling arguments on the table, in favor of their ideology. I don't know. I think there's a place where we draw the line. For example, nowadays, I think we've crossed that line (towards more government of course). I don't think we need that much government into the markets.

I also feel really stupid when I see politicians talking about taxing gains from cryptocurrencies, with phrases like "unhosted wallets", or by attacking privacy services. They talk as if privacy invasion is a requirement, or "obligation" as per the social contract theory. I think this really crosses the line.

FTFY

Income tax and sales tax/VAT didn't exist 100+ years ago. Look it up.

Income tax was first implemented in Great Britain by William Pitt the Younger in his budget of December 1798 to pay for weapons and equipment in preparation for the Napoleonic Wars.

Income Tax Rates, Then and Now

Tax rates tend to change—often, but not always, rising. When the federal income tax was implemented to help finance World War I in 1913, for example, the marginal tax rate was 1% on income of $0 to $20,000, 2% on income of $20,000 to $50,000, 3% on income of $50,000 to $75,000, 4% on income of $75,000 to $100,000, 5% on income of $100,000 to $250,000, 6% on income of $250,000 to $500,000, and 7% on income of $500,000 and up

That's called Robin Hood.

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I don't believe taxation is theft. When used for public welfare, it benefits everyone.

I'm talking about public goods like national security(your country having and army and intelligence), law enforcement(police and court system), etc. Infrastructure projects like roads and streets can be partially funded with a Toll system and/or vignettes, but that's more like an exception to the rule.

Everyone hates when the government is taking money from them, but what would your country look like, if there aren't any roads and highways and there's no army, police and courts, no schools and hospitals? It would look like total chaos.

But no, you're just a cog in the machine and you don't have time to do research about how a proper diet can prevent tons of diseases (heart attacks, obesity, diabetes etc). Am I right?

I'm not saying that I'm rich, just less poor-- paying taxes no longer felt like a voluntary action. Every time I pay my taxes, it feels like getting my testicles electrocuted.

We're live in a country who have laws and regulations, how you can say it's theft?

The state pays that lawyer from the taxes they collect… that’s the most basic and realistic example that explains why we still need to pay taxes probably

I can’t really decide. Part of me says “fuck all taxes” but then It is impossible to have an infrastructure, healthcare, security, education etc if the gov don’t collect taxes. There are some stuff which the private sector can’t really do well. The government has to offer an alternative at least and they can only do that if they collect taxes.

No tax means no government and I hate governments but somehow we still need them.

For some reason I can’t say “the private sector should handle everything and governments shouldn’t be offering any services”

Post services
Education
Firefighters
Healthcare
Security (police/army)
Juridical Service
Infrastructure (water, electricity, roads…)

Private companies already offer these services but they can be costly. Especially the healthcare and lawyers.

What if you are in legal trouble and you don’t have money? The state has to provide you a lawyer. They can’t say “go to prison you poor fool”

The state pays that lawyer from the taxes they collect… that’s the most basic and realistic example that explains why we still need to pay taxes probably