Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 2. (Read 2224 times)

Taxes are theft under bad government, Dictatorship is a good form of governance under a good candidate.
I'll talk from the perspective of EU. There are very high taxes in EU but that's not very bad. In EU, you get free healthcare, which isn't definitely a perfect because of waiting lists but emergency cases are solved well and it doesn't cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with the health issue, you get it fixed for free and level of medicine is quite high here. Another and one of the biggest benefit of high taxes is free education that we get in Europe. Free and high quality education means a better quality of life for everyone. These high taxes also mean that if you lose your job, you aren't automatically homeless person, the government pays you some money for a long period of time to take care of things. Do politicians use these high taxes for their own benefits? Yes, 100%. Do some people abuse it? Yes, 100% but overall, pros outweigh cons.

Taxes are certainly "theft", or better said, robbery under threat of violence (fines, isolation from society) to please the desires of the government (a bunch of people) who will manage this money in their own way. In public, of course, it is said that this money is used for the benefit of society, but in reality, for the sake of strengthening the positions of these politicians in power, which certainly goes against the interests of society, from which taxes are "taken away". The strongest (unified government) forcibly takes resources from the weak (disunited society). These are the rules of the game that have existed for centuries. Now these rules are being imposed on the crypto industry, as soon as real money appeared there (in significant quantities). Get ready for the fact that under various "sauces" (justifications) we will be served a "dish" (taxes) with a very unpleasant taste (large tax deductions from profits from cryptocurrencies).

Taxes are certainly "theft", or better said, robbery under threat of violence (fines, isolation from society) to please the desires of the government (a bunch of people) who will manage this money in their own way. In public, of course, it is said that this money is used for the benefit of society, but in reality, for the sake of strengthening the positions of these politicians in power, which certainly goes against the interests of society, from which taxes are "taken away". The strongest (unified government) forcibly takes resources from the weak (disunited society). These are the rules of the game that have existed for centuries. Now these rules are being imposed on the crypto industry, as soon as real money appeared there (in significant quantities). Get ready for the fact that under various "sauces" (justifications) we will be served a "dish" (taxes) with a very unpleasant taste (large tax deductions from profits from cryptocurrencies).

The tax system is designed to steal from the average and make the rich richer. That's the design, which is off the book. How can someone be paying tax from the little profit that you are making from your business, and the government will not use that money to do what they promised, and you will not consider it as theft?
 
You pay tax for them to provide good security, yet you still hire others for such service because they are incompetent. Medically, we still pay for that from other aspects, not because we prefer luxury but because the medical centres are not working and the staff there are not professional. Should we still consider the tax system not to be a means to steal from the poor?

As a matter of fact taxation is not a crime neither will I consider taxation as theft. In our society today we debate a lot on taxation involving average citizens paying tax, like I will always say citizens pay tax accordingly meaning they pay what they can afford so the government can't allocate an amount beyound the business capacity etc. How the government make use of the money should not be considered firstly using this money wrongly is so bad and I'm against this, medical facilities, infrastructure should be taken care of but in a different situation citizens die because the medical center lacks the facility yet they pay their due tax sound stupid and wrong. IMO paying tax is important by so doing that the government might consider the citizens if only the leader is caring like this familiar saying two wrongs can't make a right, the most annoying part involve embarrassing business owners because they failed to pay also trying to force narrative.

Morals talking time.

Surely a matter of topic that has concerned many philosophers and intellectuals. I imagine most of (genuine) Bitcoiners be like "back-to-the-landers", libertarians, with desire to be self-sufficient. However, objectively speaking, taxation is theft. It's taking someone's property without their consent, and it is compulsory. It very much fits the definition of theft, even though you can find it slightly altered in other sources, like the Cambridge dictionary ("the crime of illegally taking something that belongs to someone else")

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The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

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My stance on this is that both "groups" bring some compelling arguments on the table, in favor of their ideology. I don't know. I think there's a place where we draw the line. For example, nowadays, I think we've crossed that line (towards more government of course). I don't think we need that much government into the markets.

I also feel really stupid when I see politicians talking about taxing gains from cryptocurrencies, with phrases like "unhosted wallets", or by attacking privacy services. They talk as if privacy invasion is a requirement, or "obligation" as per the social contract theory. I think this really crosses the line.

The government collects taxes and distributes them through infrastructure development, health, education, etc., that's how it should be, but in reality what the government does is they use the tax money for useless things and just waste money, not to mention when the economy is getting tough but the government actually increases taxes - like what happened in my country - it's quite disgusting. I agree with taxes, but sometimes I feel like I don't want to pay taxes seeing what the government does in reality.

The government collects taxes and distributes them through infrastructure development, health, education, etc., that's how it should be, but in reality what the government does is they use the tax money for useless things and just waste money, not to mention when the economy is getting tough but the government actually increases taxes - like what happened in my country - it's quite disgusting. I agree with taxes, but sometimes I feel like I don't want to pay taxes seeing what the government does in reality.

Morals talking time.

Surely a matter of topic that has concerned many philosophers and intellectuals. I imagine most of (genuine) Bitcoiners be like "back-to-the-landers", libertarians, with desire to be self-sufficient. However, objectively speaking, taxation is theft. It's taking someone's property without their consent, and it is compulsory. It very much fits the definition of theft, even though you can find it slightly altered in other sources, like the Cambridge dictionary ("the crime of illegally taking something that belongs to someone else")

(That's right dear reader, that was a clickbait!)

The question is rather: Is taxation justifiable theft? A necessary evil? Libertarians tend to argue that it's wrong regardless the intentions. Taking someone's property without their permission is unethical, no matter how good you want to do with it. Others, who support social contract theory, argue that it's necessary and should be seen as "voluntary obligation".

There is no right or wrong answer (un)fortunately. Feel free to speak out loud.

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My stance on this is that both "groups" bring some compelling arguments on the table, in favor of their ideology. I don't know. I think there's a place where we draw the line. For example, nowadays, I think we've crossed that line (towards more government of course). I don't think we need that much government into the markets.

I also feel really stupid when I see politicians talking about taxing gains from cryptocurrencies, with phrases like "unhosted wallets", or by attacking privacy services. They talk as if privacy invasion is a requirement, or "obligation" as per the social contract theory. I think this really crosses the line.

The purpose and essence of demanding for taxes is to facilitate the infrastructural, developmental and economic growth of a country. But in a case whereby the government demands taxes from the citizens without providing good jobs that's definitely classified as theft. You can't pour from an empty cup, in order for the masses to be able to pay taxes they must have a job otherwise why would they want to give to a country that gives them nothing in return. In western countries paying taxes is something that's not up for debate, it's easy for citizens to make a quick response when they are financially stable not when they are struggling to survive.

I have a opinion little bit different. Every country is forcefully getting the taxes from the public but they are not using our money for the good purposes and they are taking out money by doing different things. Rich people are not paying taxes and government always give relaxation to them and government said that they will produce jobs . Employee people always get no relief and government apply more taxes as it want . Most of the persons in the government are uneducated people who don't know how to grow the country but they used the money to get power .Power is everything in the World and by using this power they make money by doing wrong things which produce disaster in Economy of country and poor people are helpless and can't do anything against that .

Taxation is not the act of theft ina normal sense but the government has been using this means to force us to pay our taxes even when we are not getting enough basic amenities to prove that we are paying taxes. The law say, pay your taxes when due without audible restrictions. Paying tax is our obligation but why will the government use tax payers money for reckless things that don't really bring values to the people. Many are still diverting tax payments because they fell like the money is not being used for something tangible or they felt like it's not their duties. There are still countries that don't pay tax or maybe they pay less why majority of the European countries pay heavy taxes.

This situation really varies on the status of the country where you are since if to many bad things happened there and politicians is not trusted to handle their position since they are professional criminals then we can really assume that theft is taxation.

But if the government is using the funds they collected from our taxes and they are transparent of everything then give us good healthcare then I don't think we can call taxation is theft. Although situation really vary to each country since not all politicians look forward for the welfare of their people. Since lots of them just want to corrupt and earn lots of money from people who supports them.