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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

Right from the start for me i think everything is manipulated, we know how big whales manipulate the price but we can't recognize every minute. Most of the whales attacks any other whales in the market in short they both want to manipulate the price like for example putting a big wall in selling or buying to push the price uo or down it is a kind of manipulation and when they think the order can be eaten they will remove the wall simply called manipulation or dictating the price to go in either direction.

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Quote from: inanilujimi on November 09, 2019, 06:41:47 AM

how can a market as large as crypto be manipulated ??
people just speculate and guess where the market is going, doesn't mean that someone can manipulate this market, for me it is not possible to manipulate the market as you wish.

No I market cap is not too large and it's really easy to manipulate the price, if you don't think that the market cannot be manipulated then what's driving this fluctuations wherein all of a sudden we see pump or dump as its not possible with the normal transactions which we make. I would suggest you to check the sell orders of big exchanges just after dump and you will understand the concept.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

There are many theories on this and yours is just one of this, and every coin has theories on what could be the reason why the coin is going down or going up, every coin has whales behind them and manipulators, but the best indication besides these whales and manipulators are the news and ongoing development of the coin or project, in the case of Bitcoin I consider this as some traders going for exit profit, but there's no doubt Bitcoin will go up because of the halving..

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Trust me, the marketcap is just way too small where whales/institutions/rich players could likely push the market with just a minor amount

Look at those Pump and Dump
a 200+ BTC instant dump could crash few hundred in certain exchanges where it also trigger a domino effect to all exchange

So yes, the current marketcap is now too small where it can be easily violate and manipulate

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how can a market as large as crypto be manipulated ??
people just speculate and guess where the market is going, doesn't mean that someone can manipulate this market, for me it is not possible to manipulate the market as you wish.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

Yeah i think because the whales want to buy bitcoin with lower price before they pump it. So, if they failed to make the market to a bull run, at least they can take profits for selling with higher price before. But this is in a short term. And associated with BTC halving i'm sure the whales are ready with their own strategies and it might be surpriced us in the future. So be ready for any strategies that whales will make and be ready with any market condition.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

Why do you think the market is being manipulated? Only the price went down to $300-$400 and this is the usual normal state of the BTC. Also, the price is always pumped up to any price, and the price can not be pumped without stopping. It needs to stop somewhere and regather power. Do not be afraid of this fall, this is just a small price fall, prepare for the next pump.

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There is no particular signal for the manipulation and there is also no signal for the market to come bullish again. We cant control those whales and we dont even know their buying and selling patern for us to say that they are manipulating the market.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

What you have been mentioned in your first paragraph is something that happened before, there have been some bitcoin futures contract and bakkt. After that, the trend in the market has drastically changed to a different way like when bitcoin can hold the upper value and then it gets a downtrend.

It's not a downfall before the pump. The market has already changed into the way that put the usability at the top of everything to create FOMO. I'm not sure about that when you are seeing how litecoin was going back again to the bottom after the hype of halving has brought litecoin to the top. That is not how the market works today. Why were the whales pumping it in the past due to the bakkt? If the whales can get cheap bitcoin at that time.

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This no manipulation. There is nothing manipulated in today's decline in prices. There was probably a few big Bitcoin investors who are dumping their coins. That is is very normal. Sometimes, one dumps, another time one buys causing a pump. This manipulation theory has been passing around as if everything that is happening within crypto is an act of one person or two who is like a god in controlling and manipulating everything.

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talking whether manipulation in the market is intentional or not, in my opinion it is possible and impossible, we as one of the traders for example can only predict and guess, measure the charts from time to time and then conclude. My experience in seeing the movement of BTC from year to year is like that, but as an exception for 2018 it can be said that in 2015-2016 it is very unpredictable because the price of people predicts that for the end of the year BTC will rise and before rising BTC will decrease in price , but what happened in that year BTC even decreased, just like in 2018, well recently in 2019 the BTC began to creep up. Maybe it can be concluded that the price cycle of the BTC is not even per year but every two years. And of course these events are usually marked by events such as halving or others. For Altcoins I think altcoin is waiting and following how BTC moves. If BTC is indeed confused and always asks who owns BTC to be able to move the price revolution in the market, while Altcoins can clearly be held by investors, communities or others, so altcoin or tokens do follow how BTC takes action from time to time.

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Quote from: Pelunize12 on November 08, 2019, 05:51:53 PM

the market is always like that, manipulated by whales. that's the power of whales. but let it be, without whale we cant see any asset to grow

The point is how smart we follow the whale. if we are smart enough then we can get profit. if we do opposite, ofc we will lose

so, learn and play like a whale plays. it isnt easy but it can be learned

To do this requires a lot of experience in investing and is not always fortunate to earn high profits from this market. Whales may have a very important role in the market but most are the ones who want to manipulate and they will sell all when the profit is high. For whales, they only see this market as a tool to make money so the risk of investment can absolutely happen at any time.

I think any financial market is risky and can either help an investor to make a profit or cause that investor to lose all his assets.

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Quote from: jossiel on November 08, 2019, 06:07:21 PM

We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.

I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.

I supported what you said but the reason why some people believed the market to be manipulated is because of the volatility in nature of crypto market. Meanwhile, there's always a reason behind every trend posed by the market and current trend was slightly market correction which usually occur every Q4 of the year which is not block halving year. However, we have a situation where the whales are the one behind the market status.

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We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.

I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.

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the market is always like that, manipulated by whales. that's the power of whales. but let it be, without whale we cant see any asset to grow

The point is how smart we follow the whale. if we are smart enough then we can get profit. if we do opposite, ofc we will lose

so, learn and play like a whale plays. it isnt easy but it can be learned

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The market is indeed being manipulated and it can't be helped. It is because of leverage trading. The larger the move, the larger the profits. Traders don't profit in a stable market. These whales push the price where there are many stops so that they get triggered adding more selling or buying depending where they want the price to go.

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if you think that bitcoin market being manipulated i think it's impossible because you need larger capital so you can manipulate the bitcoin price
but it's different if you choose other altcoins that just released it's easy to manipulate their prices as long you had enough capital

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We feel bad in every bitcoin and good altcoins price decline but this is not the right time to mood off! Wise people were waiting for the price down, so they can buy cheap and fill their bags before the halving. It's almost confirmed, at least history says that after every Bitcoin halving, the price went a new all-time high zone. So, if the market is being manipulated now, then that is a blessing for everyone if you get the point here! I agree with you that this decline is the last price drop before it goes to the moon!

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

Seriously, nothing is wrong with the crypto market because the market momentum in terms of demand and supply have proof market not strengthen. Mind you, if you can back the historical record of the market when we're approaching halving year the market usually experience a lot of manipulation.
Meanwhile, I will advice you not to expect much from the market this year Q4 and next year Q1.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 12:24:27 PM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

I have the same thought with you. Their manipulation strategy is really good. They are trying to buy bitcoins cheaply now. try to create fake buying forces to cheat traders and then continue to manipulate to get more bitcoins.
when the halving event is coming, when the price of bitcoin peaks, they will put all their money to Short order and sell bitcoin out of the market to execute the order.
That is my opinion and is also considered a good opportunity to buy bitcoin now.

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