Is the market currently being manipulated? - page 9.

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Quote from: crossabdd on November 09, 2019, 08:45:34 PM

it might happen, I think, there is no crypto market that is not manipulated. all crypto markets are still manipulated. those whales can always make pumps and dumps on the market. yes, maybe now is the last decline before all markets have growth and create new high price levels. may all be over soon.

Not only the crypto market even the conventional market is being manipulated by people or groups or organizations. it is because someone has the power and authority to control the market, as long as it is invented by humans. manipulation will always exist. just follow the flow of the market if you do not want to get drowned, we are a tiny ship in the middle of the ocean.

Yes, every market can be a subject of manipulations. We can't do a lot about it, we are don't have power to do anything. What
we can do is to try to follow big players and to try to stay alive.
I'm here for long-term holding, manipulations don't affect my position too much. I believe this market will continue to grow with
time, and when it grows enough it will be harder to manipulate with it, it's my opinion.

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Quote from: crossabdd on November 09, 2019, 08:45:34 PM

it might happen, I think, there is no crypto market that is not manipulated. all crypto markets are still manipulated. those whales can always make pumps and dumps on the market. yes, maybe now is the last decline before all markets have growth and create new high price levels. may all be over soon.

Not only the crypto market even the conventional market is being manipulated by people or groups or organizations. it is because someone has the power and authority to control the market, as long as it is invented by humans. manipulation will always exist. just follow the flow of the market if you do not want to get drowned, we are a tiny ship in the middle of the ocean.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on November 09, 2019, 08:50:32 PM

Yes definitely! and for sure as usual its being manipulated by some greedy investors again, because in fact they are the common reason even before wherein why after the pump in bitcoin and several altcoin there's a sudden fall afterwards . But so far the recent decline it's not even bad in my view because bitcoin still standing at 9k and keep showing strong support. So as of now lets hope whales didn't interrupt. Because you know it can causes massive declined wherein for sure bitcoin will go back again to the bottom without knowing. .

This market has been manipulated for a long time and they can control the value of Bitcoin at any time. If you look at the volatility of this market, you can be sure of that because both the uptrend and the downward trend are all unexpected and unpredictable. I think if you take advantage of that crash, you will be able to buy lots of cheap coins and can sell as soon as the market recovers.

I often wait for the market drop because it is a very good opportunity for everyone but need to be more careful because whales are the ones who control this market.

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Imagine there are lots of addresses that currently holding a huge number of btc once it was moved in the market it will really affect the price but when if it is only moved without buying or trading then there is no sense of manipulation if it is for the sake of trading then there is a manipulation. Since the halving is near let us expect that those whales will be doing something to accumulate more coins in the market.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 11:24:27 AM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

It's also a pretty good conspiracy theory. I quite like your idea because it makes sense for market manipulations.
Now often sharks will try to push the price of bitcoin down so they can buy more and prepare for big pump in the future.
So we can follow the sharks by buying bitcoin now and hold until halving.

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Quote from: boltz on November 09, 2019, 06:12:23 PM

Everything look normal , like it always do so yes , markets are always manipulated but this shouldn't be an impediment for us to stay away and not investing into cryptocurrencies especially now , when the accumulate zone kicked in. Look at the volume in the last month at altcoins and you will see that most of them are into accumulation period and a lot of money are being trow into them with the purpose at some point this year some of them will rise.

It's a matter of how good will you do your research and how you will anticipate the next market movement, It's tough to say if the project is accumulating or really fading and dying naturally. Most of those coins falls and unable to cope up since heavy dumped take place and nobody
wanted to reinvest and hold. You need to check every possibilities before taking your money inside investment.

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its always been manipulated mate,specially when there are some news coming out and they will have a chance to manage the manipulation.

this has been happening for long years now though there are no proof but its an obvious scenario and theres nothing to think more.so dont just think that its only from recent but for many times already.

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Yes definitely! and for sure as usual its being manipulated by some greedy investors again, because in fact they are the common reason even before wherein why after the pump in bitcoin and several altcoin there's a sudden fall afterwards . But so far the recent decline it's not even bad in my view because bitcoin still standing at 9k and keep showing strong support. So as of now lets hope whales didn't interrupt. Because you know it can causes massive declined wherein for sure bitcoin will go back again to the bottom without knowing. .

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it might happen, I think, there is no crypto market that is not manipulated. all crypto markets are still manipulated. those whales can always make pumps and dumps on the market. yes, maybe now is the last decline before all markets have growth and create new high price levels. may all be over soon.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 09, 2019, 12:41:29 PM

I knew from the beginning the market had been manipulated, but that was not the question. I want to know, what is the purpose of manipulation that exists today. is this related to halving bitcoin or not? if not, then what is their purpose in manipulating the market other than to get profits when halving bitcoin later.

For whales, they only see this market as a tool to make money so profit is always their top priority. In fact, this market has been manipulated for the past few years and no one can predict what they will do next because everything in the crypto market is very risky. In my opinion, it is best to learn carefully before investing because Bitcoin can also make you lose money.

I think this manipulation will only make the market worse as the current downtrend has not ended and we will face another bear market in the next few years. This is something no one expects but if they continue to speculate on the market, future of crypto will be very bad.

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Everything look normal , like it always do so yes , markets are always manipulated but this shouldn't be an impediment for us to stay away and not investing into cryptocurrencies especially now , when the accumulate zone kicked in. Look at the volume in the last month at altcoins and you will see that most of them are into accumulation period and a lot of money are being trow into them with the purpose at some point this year some of them will rise.

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Quote from: ronaldo40 on November 08, 2019, 04:01:13 PM

if you think that bitcoin market being manipulated i think it's impossible because you need larger capital so you can manipulate the bitcoin price
but it's different if you choose other altcoins that just released it's easy to manipulate their prices as long you had enough capital

It's far from impossible. Check the bitcoin holders top 100 list, the wealth is highly focused to few people, they can easily manipulate markets. Even though the buy and sell walls seem like they need large capital, it's peanuts for some of the players. And they are pseudonymous so we don't even know who they are. Same goes to all altcoins,

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Quote from: cryptothreads on November 08, 2019, 08:01:55 PM

Quote from: Pelunize12 on November 08, 2019, 04:51:53 PM

the market is always like that, manipulated by whales. that's the power of whales. but let it be, without whale we cant see any asset to grow

The point is how smart we follow the whale. if we are smart enough then we can get profit. if we do opposite, ofc we will lose

so, learn and play like a whale plays. it isnt easy but it can be learned

To do this requires a lot of experience in investing and is not always fortunate to earn high profits from this market. Whales may have a very important role in the market but most are the ones who want to manipulate and they will sell all when the profit is high. For whales, they only see this market as a tool to make money so the risk of investment can absolutely happen at any time.

I think any financial market is risky and can either help an investor to make a profit or cause that investor to lose all his assets.

of course it is not easy, because investing and trading are serious business. we have to spend much time and understand how the business works

and we have to learn from our experience, market often tells us something new. if we cant learn from the mistake, then we would fail

but, let it flow. just learning and never give up on the market. you'll understand how market works in the future and follow whales

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Quote from: posi on November 08, 2019, 06:10:05 PM

Quote from: jossiel on November 08, 2019, 05:07:21 PM

We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.

I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.

I supported what you said but the reason why some people believed the market to be manipulated is because of the volatility in nature of crypto market. Meanwhile, there's always a reason behind every trend posed by the market and current trend was slightly market correction which usually occur every Q4 of the year which is not block halving year. However, we have a situation where the whales are the one behind the market status.

Yep, it's always the whales that has it behind the market but about the manipulation we don't really have an idea about the actual scene. I used to believe that it's been manipulated but no proof for that and just all the reports that it is.

Quote from: Adriano2010 on November 09, 2019, 01:31:16 PM

In my opinion now market is manipulated in proportion of 65%, by whales, by bad news, by interest groups, and sometimes by people from governments even if not directly.

The bad news do really pull the prices down but when we see some a bit of good news, we don't see the opposite of it.

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In my opinion now market is manipulated in proportion of 65%, by whales, by bad news, by interest groups, and sometimes by people from governments even if not directly.

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Quote from: Doell on November 09, 2019, 11:27:46 AM

your thoughts are not wrong we are undergoing correction but it is unlikely to fall deeper so $8,000 is the lowest price possible for later ,so be ready to see the pump later before the end of this month

yes, maybe this is indeed a market manipulation to welcome the update bitcoin for halving in the next year. the pump will occur, but not in the short term. later this month is also not necessarily good for the pump. the market is still in a bad state and it will be like this until the pump will actually start running.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 11:24:27 AM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

Less then 5% price declines are just normal daily behaviour of cryptocurrencies. Tomorrow they will gain those 5% back. Problem would be if coins would lose 5% every day.

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I knew from the beginning the market had been manipulated, but that was not the question. I want to know, what is the purpose of manipulation that exists today. is this related to halving bitcoin or not? if not, then what is their purpose in manipulating the market other than to get profits when halving bitcoin later.

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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 11:24:27 AM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

If you think about that, maybe some other people possibly think about that too. If me, when i have same opinion with the OP about market is manipulated, maybe after i make sure it is really happen, i will very confident with my investment. For me, maybe believe with our analysis is good, and what should we do is how we make profit with it. If market manipulated, so what should we do is look for right moment when price dumped. And then buy some when that time really come.

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your thoughts are not wrong we are undergoing correction but it is unlikely to fall deeper so $8,000 is the lowest price possible for later ,so be ready to see the pump later before the end of this month

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