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Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.

manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.

indeed it has become a natural thing if you have a lot of trading capital and you can become one of the whales so I'm sure you will also definitely manipulate price movements at the exchange and will control the movement of coin prices.

Maybe because it happen in a many times, coin that pumped usually dumped first so people think it is whales who want to buy in cheap price first before pump it. But i think price really controlled because even other people almost can predict what will happen, or maybe speculation about it is almost right.

Who can predict? maybe that's a sort of conclusion only but I didn't take out the fact that market can be manipulated and you need a big funds for that or even spread some fuds to make this dumping scheme became successful. But actually there are so many reasons contributes that and for current happening on the market it's questionable since we don't have the exact reason on why the market keeps falling even though the halving is approaching.

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Quote from: styca on December 19, 2019, 01:19:47 AM

Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.

manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.

indeed it has become a natural thing if you have a lot of trading capital and you can become one of the whales so I'm sure you will also definitely manipulate price movements at the exchange and will control the movement of coin prices.

Maybe because it happen in a many times, coin that pumped usually dumped first so people think it is whales who want to buy in cheap price first before pump it. But i think price really controlled because even other people almost can predict what will happen, or maybe speculation about it is almost right.

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Quote from: patz22 on December 19, 2019, 09:50:43 PM

Market has been manipulated and being manipulated since then. You can even see that when you are doing trading every now and then. Pump groups and all and even on margin trading. Of course, these exchanges dont want to lose a lot so manipulating it is the best thing.

I think the system of all trading markets is also like that. When they have big capital, of course, they can control the market price. especially with crypto assets that have very fast market movements. even without capital only with the will of the community with large numbers can also make the market move. we cannot avoid it, we can only be prepared for all circumstances and most importantly you should never feel panicked.

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Market has been manipulated and being manipulated since then. You can even see that when you are doing trading every now and then. Pump groups and all and even on margin trading. Of course, these exchanges dont want to lose a lot so manipulating it is the best thing.

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Quote from: plast555 on December 19, 2019, 07:33:42 PM

Yeah, the market is controlled by a whale community, that's true. You can see the details of this news in the following link.

https://beincrypto.com/bitcoin-whales-have-consolidated-their-holdings-substantially/amp/

But I'm not happy with this situation, if this situation continues to increase, it may mean that we cannot achieve decentralization. And I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto was trying to do that when he invented bitcoin.

That whales collect BTC is good. The problem is that there should be more whales on the market. As market capitalization increases, market manipulation possibilities decrease. The threat that the market will not be decentralized practically does not exist, but what is happening is actually worrying.

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Yeah, the market is controlled by a whale community, that's true. You can see the details of this news in the following link.

https://beincrypto.com/bitcoin-whales-have-consolidated-their-holdings-substantially/amp/

But I'm not happy with this situation, if this situation continues to increase, it may mean that we cannot achieve decentralization. And I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto was trying to do that when he invented bitcoin.

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In December, investors are usually more calm than in other months. Due to the fact that there is less transactions on the market, it is much easier to manipulate it. What has happened in recent days is an obvious attempt to lower the price, but fortunately it was not successful and price come back to his previous level. Let's hope that by the end of the year there will be no more such surprises and at the beginning of the year a stable rise in prices will start.

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Quote from: Landak on December 19, 2019, 04:59:03 AM

Quote from: styca on December 19, 2019, 01:19:47 AM

Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.

manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.

indeed it has become a natural thing if you have a lot of trading capital and you can become one of the whales so I'm sure you will also definitely manipulate price movements at the exchange and will control the movement of coin prices.

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Quote from: styca on December 19, 2019, 01:19:47 AM

Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.

manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.

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Quote from: hahay on December 15, 2019, 04:32:09 PM

There is nothing wrong with that thinking because after all, if we look at it from history, events like that are common, so with the presence or absence of manipulation I only believe that this is a long process for a larger pump. Stay to have a positive mindset because after all a situation of big panic will definitely occur and we must be prepared to remain consistent and be patient longer.

And do not underestimate what patience and consistence means in this world of crypto. Remember that just because the last bull run was 2 years ago does not mean it will come again very soon,,, we have seen 2 and 3 year cycles, I would not be surprised if it becomes 4 and 5 year cycles or even longer,,, are we all prepared for this?

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Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.

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There is nothing complicated in manipulating the market from a technical point of view, especially if most of the coins are concentrated in the hands of several people, we can call them whales conditionally. What goals are set by people or companies owning from 10,000 bitcoins, we can only guess, it is clear that they have already earned a comfortable life, and whether they need any kind of manipulation at all is a big question.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on December 16, 2019, 11:39:54 AM

Cryptos market is not manipulated by any whale. It is in balance between supply and demand, if there are more sellers than buyers invariably the price tends to decline or dump I believe that is price action which is affecting the cryptos market presently thus providing opportunities for for the whales to buy and accumulate. Although I had read many stories about Market manipulations which I don't agreed is real.

It's manipulated but not as always as those people said. The whales are taking the right time to manipulate the market. When you are seeing there will be so many a huge sell orders in the market and that means the whale has already started to manipulate the market. it's not happen anytime but it happens some times.

not because there are many sell orders means that is already manipulation mate,because there comes a time that investors and traders jammed in buying without intentions specially when there is a good news coming and they feel the positive outcome.

we can stand that there is manipulation but also we can be wrong at a certain time.

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Quote from: bittick on December 16, 2019, 11:50:36 PM

Quote from: gabbie2010 on December 16, 2019, 11:39:54 AM

Cryptos market is not manipulated by any whale. It is in balance between supply and demand, if there are more sellers than buyers invariably the price tends to decline or dump I believe that is price action which is affecting the cryptos market presently thus providing opportunities for for the whales to buy and accumulate. Although I had read many stories about Market manipulations which I don't agreed is real.

It's manipulated but not as always as those people said. The whales are taking the right time to manipulate the market. When you are seeing there will be so many a huge sell orders in the market and that means the whale has already started to manipulate the market. it's not happen anytime but it happens some times.

Indications that whales are moving is tough to determined as they know how traders emotions affects their decision making, Whales probably waiting for heavy flows of emotions then begin to workout and take the directions according to how they've seen to gain a lots of profits.
Market is prone being point to which directions the big bag holders wanted to bring as weak traders follows sentiments and forget about analyzing every situations.

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Quote from: cassavachips on December 16, 2019, 10:30:25 AM

It is hard for me to know that the market is really manipulated or not but indeed the truth is now bitcoin is down because of some news that gives FUD which makes many people panic or sell their bitcoin.

It is very difficult to argue that the market is not being manipulated when we are seeing the unusual way in which the market is moving, after some days in which the market was going down suddenly out of nowhere we saw a tremendous buying pressure coming from the bulls and I find very hard to believe that what we are seeing has not been orchestrated by the whales, this was nothing but an attempt to force weak hands to sell their coins and they were successful.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on December 16, 2019, 11:39:54 AM

Cryptos market is not manipulated by any whale. It is in balance between supply and demand, if there are more sellers than buyers invariably the price tends to decline or dump I believe that is price action which is affecting the cryptos market presently thus providing opportunities for for the whales to buy and accumulate. Although I had read many stories about Market manipulations which I don't agreed is real.

whale have so much money, they can easily to manipulate this asset as they want
this is low liquidity market than the others, so why you dont believe this one Roll Eyes

supply demand affects the price. but without whales, the price wont move so much
look at volality, it is very volatile that means there are any whales here

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Quote from: bittick on December 16, 2019, 11:50:36 PM

It's manipulated but not as always as those people said. The whales are taking the right time to manipulate the market. When you are seeing there will be so many a huge sell orders in the market and that means the whale has already started to manipulate the market. it's not happen anytime but it happens some times.

So if we're all smart and we know the market is being manipulated and we even know by whom, then all we need to do is time our buys and sells to follow the whales.

But since we're all smart and we still can't figure out how this happens, then yeah like you said, I don't think the manipulation is as easy as we all think. A few minutes of price control I guess, but nothing more.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on December 16, 2019, 11:39:54 AM

Cryptos market is not manipulated by any whale. It is in balance between supply and demand, if there are more sellers than buyers invariably the price tends to decline or dump I believe that is price action which is affecting the cryptos market presently thus providing opportunities for for the whales to buy and accumulate. Although I had read many stories about Market manipulations which I don't agreed is real.

It's manipulated but not as always as those people said. The whales are taking the right time to manipulate the market. When you are seeing there will be so many a huge sell orders in the market and that means the whale has already started to manipulate the market. it's not happen anytime but it happens some times.

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I will only express my personal opinion that many manipulators still have influence on the cryptocurrency market and maybe these are big whales or groups of cryptocurrency users. Over the past period, in my opinion, two very important events for the cryptocurrency market have occurred that should significantly strengthen the position of Bitcoin and Ethereum in the cryptocurrency market. First of all, it is about obtaining permission to trade Bitcoin futures and the recent update of Istanbul's hard fork Ethereum. If you look at certain charts in a particular period, the first and other news had an impact on the price of bitcoin and ethereum in the first hours of the launch post, because even the market revived noticeably, but it did not last long and the market began to show red again. It seems to me that if a user begins to show interest in cryptocurrency due to good news, then market indicators should logically last for a long time.

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Cryptos market is not manipulated by any whale. It is in balance between supply and demand, if there are more sellers than buyers invariably the price tends to decline or dump I believe that is price action which is affecting the cryptos market presently thus providing opportunities for for the whales to buy and accumulate. Although I had read many stories about Market manipulations which I don't agreed is real.

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