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Quote from: takngantuk on November 08, 2019, 11:24:27 AM

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

There is nothing wrong in your thinking because it was your own perception regarding the matter. Well, many people do also think the same way you do whenever the price goes up a little bit but drops twice than the hype and perceive it as a manipulation in the market brought by the whales of the crypto. But as of this moment, I cannot momentarily say that there is a certain manipulation that is happening because based on the price chart, the ups and downs are on its usual state in which basically it is normal. We must not be stressed out on the all of a sudden drop in the prices after a small pump because there are lots of factors that is being considered why certain fluctuations is happening in the market.

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Quote from: rizkyalhabsy on November 29, 2019, 10:36:03 PM

the fall in prices in the market that we see is also influenced by certain countries that hold many shares

Hope you are aware that none of the countries invested in any of the crypto market but there may be funds coming from private fund house and individuals and moreover it is an open market and anyone can invest in it, so you cannot blame on a specific country for the manipulation in the market, anyone with huge funds can do so in an unregulated market as they will not be facing any fines.

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Quote from: naikturun on November 26, 2019, 12:44:15 PM

No know when there will be a pump and dump person people can only predict, and many say the ALT season will not come this year, could be true or not.
Because the crypto market is not predicted.
May be a bit of manipulation when the pump or dump arrives occur.

Market is going through a period of manipulation so volatility can occur at any time. I think altcoin is the investment that disappointed investors this year and it is best to limit investment during this time because the risk will make you lose a lot. Currently, you should only buy some valuable altcoins in this market and the best advice is to choose Ethereum, Binance, Atom, Litecoin, Bitcoin because these are the most prestigious options in investment.

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the fall in prices in the market that we see is also influenced by certain countries that hold many shares

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Quote from: Pelunize12 on November 27, 2019, 08:50:17 PM

All people in crypto trading is same to make money. and the whales wanna cheap price so can get much money if they sell in high price
it is a normal behaviour, buy low and sell high. they use their own money to 'manipulate' market to get that 'purpose'

manipulate is normal thing in financial market. accept it as part of the market structure. As retail investors, we cannot control or change how the big boys play the game.
Understanding that manipulation can work for or against you, depending on your position.

This is the same posture that I have, all markets are currently being manipulated by forces way above our control but that doesn't really matter what matters is if you can make profits in this market despite that manipulation? If you can't then you should get out of this market and probably any other market, but if you can make profits in this market despite the heavy manipulation that we see then most likely you can make profits in any market and in any circumstance.

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Quote from: cepot9 on November 25, 2019, 11:21:55 PM

It seems that the decline was caused by the FUD given by the media who wrote fake news for binance exchanges and this seemed to me like manipulation to the public to panic.

It's not a fake news as per some people have already published a proof to support that arguments. Remember also bitcoin was facing a bad news too in china.
It doesn't seem to be a manipulation. Sometimes rumour will be creating a bad trend but when the price of the crypto can rebound and then that gives crypto more hopes to gain its value again.

Yeah, I remember not too long ago after the Chinese government said they were going to accept crypto they then reversed that decision. Not really surprising given the structure of the government there. This more than likely had an impact on the dip on price we were experiencing. Keep in mind the possible consequences for going against your government in China..

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All people in crypto trading is same to make money. and the whales wanna cheap price so can get much money if they sell in high price
it is a normal behaviour, buy low and sell high. they use their own money to 'manipulate' market to get that 'purpose'

manipulate is normal thing in financial market. accept it as part of the market structure. As retail investors, we cannot control or change how the big boys play the game.
Understanding that manipulation can work for or against you, depending on your position.

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Quote from: cepot9 on November 25, 2019, 11:21:55 PM

It seems that the decline was caused by the FUD given by the media who wrote fake news for binance exchanges and this seemed to me like manipulation to the public to panic.

It's not a fake news as per some people have already published a proof to support that arguments. Remember also bitcoin was facing a bad news too in china.
It doesn't seem to be a manipulation. Sometimes rumour will be creating a bad trend but when the price of the crypto can rebound and then that gives crypto more hopes to gain its value again.

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The market is being manipulated by whales in order to 'artificially regulate' the cryprocurrency market by controlling a significant percentage of any cryptocurrency.

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No know when there will be a pump and dump person people can only predict, and many say the ALT season will not come this year, could be true or not.
Because the crypto market is not predicted.
May be a bit of manipulation when the pump or dump arrives occur.

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This is world trade. where when prices are rising. surely after that will experience a decline. just let it go as usual. if in time the price will return to normal.

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yes agree, the bitcoin market is being manipulated by the media to spread a lot of FUD to frighten weak holders, this has happened before when a lot of media spread FUD and then the bitcoin price is down, that's where the bitcoin price will start to boom ... !!

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Quote from: hahay on November 21, 2019, 02:21:49 PM

In fact the price is still getting a sharp decline and for the time being I'm sure prices will continue to fluctuate to the extreme because at least we still need time until bitcoin halving happens next year. So when there is a sharp decline at the moment I think it's just a situation that might be said to make sense if there really would be a fast pump that occurred after the decline.

The fast markets are not optimal from the investment perspective, if the crypto manipulators still arrange the pump-dump activities on the different exchanges, it is still early to talk about global adoption. I know the fact that many big financial companies and hedge funds are penalized due to the manipulation but the situation is better there compared to the volatile crypto markets.

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Quote from: alan2here on November 26, 2019, 04:24:08 AM

Quote from: _IRMAN on November 25, 2019, 11:18:10 PM

I think so, right now the market is manipulated by China, did you know that yesterday the Chinese government had wanted to adopt the blockchain and cryptocurrency, and make prices soar up, but now they change their minds and prices go back down

I think China has a huge influence on the crypto market and the recent bad news has caused a lot of investors to lose money and they are feeling more scared during this time. In my opinion, this is their manipulation plan and it is best to never trust any news in this country because it will cause you psychological problems.

I personally have been fortunate to be able to buy Bitcoin at a cheap price in the last few days and will continue to hold it until the coin returns to $10,000 before Christmas because I believe in December the market will recover.

Most of us who appreciates the downfall of bitcoin take it as a big opportunity. If you think it could return to $10k, don't expect too much that it would be quick because the trend looks too slow to rise. Most probably that price would be experienced early January of 2020.

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Quote from: _IRMAN on November 25, 2019, 11:18:10 PM

I think so, right now the market is manipulated by China, did you know that yesterday the Chinese government had wanted to adopt the blockchain and cryptocurrency, and make prices soar up, but now they change their minds and prices go back down

I think China has a huge influence on the crypto market and the recent bad news has caused a lot of investors to lose money and they are feeling more scared during this time. In my opinion, this is their manipulation plan and it is best to never trust any news in this country because it will cause you psychological problems.

I personally have been fortunate to be able to buy Bitcoin at a cheap price in the last few days and will continue to hold it until the coin returns to $10,000 before Christmas because I believe in December the market will recover.

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Quote from: cepot9 on November 25, 2019, 11:21:55 PM

It seems that the decline was caused by the FUD given by the media who wrote fake news for binance exchanges and this seemed to me like manipulation to the public to panic.

more precisely yesterday's decline was caused by fud (I'm sure of that), in fact after that the price of bitcoin immediately recovered. or it could be a sign that the bearish conditions are starting to end and will enter a bullish trend hmmm.

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It seems that the decline was caused by the FUD given by the media who wrote fake news for binance exchanges and this seemed to me like manipulation to the public to panic.

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I think so, right now the market is manipulated by China, did you know that yesterday the Chinese government had wanted to adopt the blockchain and cryptocurrency, and make prices soar up, but now they change their minds and prices go back down

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Quote from: ePesoInitiative on November 21, 2019, 07:34:37 AM

It sure looks like it. Last week of October saw Bitcoin pumped 40% in just three days. Lots of bears wiped out. And now the price is almost back to where the pump started. It sure looked bullish back then and now what happened to it?

It isn't really that complex understand what happened, most likely there were quite a few investors shorting the market using leverage and a few whales made the price to go up very rapidly and this caused a margin call on all of those traders, and the whales got a huge amount of money in return, then they stopped buying coins and they began to sell them and since no one was buying bitcoin at those levels the price had no option but to go down and go back to where it started.

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Quote from: hahay on November 21, 2019, 02:21:49 PM

In fact the price is still getting a sharp decline and for the time being I'm sure prices will continue to fluctuate to the extreme because at least we still need time until bitcoin halving happens next year. So when there is a sharp decline at the moment I think it's just a situation that might be said to make sense if there really would be a fast pump that occurred after the decline.

Bitcoin price decline leads to a long drop this year and i'm sure it won't recover this year. December will always be bad time for crypto because many people are cash out their money for holiday and black friday and it's usual thing happens in crypto every year. We have to wait until next year to price recover

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