Just about every market I have seen was being manipulated at some point in the crypto world. You'll see guys place a several thousand dollar sell order at a certain price on a coin that doesn't get a whole lot of action just to lower the price down a bit and fill more of his buy orders. Then, once the buy orders are filled, you'll see that sell order disappear without anyone even buying them. It's pretty obvious what's going on in those cases. Not much you can do about it except place a buy order near that guys and do what he's doing. Just do what the manipulators are doing and you should end up doing just fine.
The wash trading is the perfect example of how the crypto whales control the order books for making more money, it is annoying to fight with automated trading bots. These trading bots place fake sell orders which increases the pressure on the other sellers and these sellers go to sell their crypto holdings to available buy orders which are created by the same person. Later the whales end their activity with more tokens just for using the emotions of other traders. 
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Well, no one will be able to really ascertain if the market is being manipulated or not, anything can be responsible for the movement of bitcoin value, it could be real organic movement and could be real manipulation.
It could be that someone that holds large amount of coin have seen that it is the right time for him to remove his investment with the gain on it while some could decide to stay longer, so many things can be responsible for it, and I think that this time around, the value of bitcoin is just moving the way it should, small pump and corresponding correction, and this is what usually make majority of the traders around to really enter into trade at dip time and then exit the trade at the pump time, so all we should do also is just to study the market and know that every dip is a blessing.
It could be that someone that holds large amount of coin have seen that it is the right time for him to remove his investment with the gain on it while some could decide to stay longer, so many things can be responsible for it, and I think that this time around, the value of bitcoin is just moving the way it should, small pump and corresponding correction, and this is what usually make majority of the traders around to really enter into trade at dip time and then exit the trade at the pump time, so all we should do also is just to study the market and know that every dip is a blessing.
Exactly what I meant to say that once the market started to act strange it is either the whales or a normal movement of the market. The only manipulator we have are those whales who can do whatever they want in the market. We small fishes had to follow them in order to take that profit that we want.
We don't have to follow them, you know. We can just choose to remain on the sidelines and then enter the market whenever we are comfortable, regardless of whale action or not.
In fact, it is when small fishes follow that whales can repeatedly do what they do, cause they see that it works every single time. Maybe if it stopped working they'll find less incentive in doing what they do.
how can we stop them?they have been here for long,they even bagged tons of money yet they are here continuing what is the drill ,and people are becoming victims over and over again. 
Exactly what I meant to say that once the market started to act strange it is either the whales or a normal movement of the market. The only manipulator we have are those whales who can do whatever they want in the market. We small fishes had to follow them in order to take that profit that we want.
We don't have to follow them, you know. We can just choose to remain on the sidelines and then enter the market whenever we are comfortable, regardless of whale action or not.
In fact, it is when small fishes follow that whales can repeatedly do what they do, cause they see that it works every single time. Maybe if it stopped working they'll find less incentive in doing what they do.
its always been manipulated mate,specially when there are some news coming out and they will have a chance to manage the manipulation.
this has been happening for long years now though there are no proof but its an obvious scenario and theres nothing to think more.so dont just think that its only from recent but for many times already.
this has been happening for long years now though there are no proof but its an obvious scenario and theres nothing to think more.so dont just think that its only from recent but for many times already.
Indeed manipulation has not yet proven, but I do believed that whales had a huge contribution why btc price surges and declined abruptly.
Most traders who've been holding for so long, can determine the way it should and how the market goes in fairly. Most of the movement prevails through the recurring pattern, which can be seen as you're monitoring closely with the recent changes. We eventually see the usual circumstances that always tend to occur from the past, that has now happening all over again.
but sometimes even Old timer fails in analyzing which way and when the pattern will occur,in some occasions these old traders also become a victim of trapping from the manipulators
Just about every market I have seen was being manipulated at some point in the crypto world. You'll see guys place a several thousand dollar sell order at a certain price on a coin that doesn't get a whole lot of action just to lower the price down a bit and fill more of his buy orders. Then, once the buy orders are filled, you'll see that sell order disappear without anyone even buying them. It's pretty obvious what's going on in those cases. Not much you can do about it except place a buy order near that guys and do what he's doing. Just do what the manipulators are doing and you should end up doing just fine.
If it is too obvious, you will know for sure since it's just a two way to know it. One is right and one is wrong, if you see that there is no news/article then suddenly the market acted it's own way then that is too obvious, right? Everything here can be seen through statistics and data, you don't need someone to tell it to you. The free resources are telling it to you already.
I don't think news or articles affect much in crypto, rather it's only effective for stocks or forex. The reason is that crypto isn't affected by the economics or whatever business or bilateral partnership. The only manipulators in crypto are whales which can be considered as stakeholders. It's easy to indentify that they exist once a market becomes volatile for no reason.That is what everyone should understand because we should always follow the market conditions, once the price of coins, increasing whales will manipulate and we should always follow them in order to make a profit. Whales will always manipulate the market to make a huge profit for them.
If it is too obvious, you will know for sure since it's just a two way to know it. One is right and one is wrong, if you see that there is no news/article then suddenly the market acted it's own way then that is too obvious, right? Everything here can be seen through statistics and data, you don't need someone to tell it to you. The free resources are telling it to you already.
I don't think news or articles affect much in crypto, rather it's only effective for stocks or forex. The reason is that crypto isn't affected by the economics or whatever business or bilateral partnership. The only manipulators in crypto are whales which can be considered as stakeholders. It's easy to indentify that they exist once a market becomes volatile for no reason.
Everyone is free to think about the current market conditions, therefore my of the opinion that the current market is
manipulated. Those who manipulate the market must necessarily have a very large capital, that's why I accuse whales as
the culprit. Because whales have a very large capital to manipulate prices in the market. We can see almost this year
bearish market conditions, both bitcoin and altcoins have fallen very deep several times. For me this is an effort whales
make investors panic and sell crypto at cheap prices, and according to the plan whales can buy crypto at cheap prices.
So from that approaching halving BTC in 2020 prices slowly go up, because whales are starting to manipulate prices again.
In order to happen FOMO in 2020, so that after halving whales can sell at high prices.
manipulated. Those who manipulate the market must necessarily have a very large capital, that's why I accuse whales as
the culprit. Because whales have a very large capital to manipulate prices in the market. We can see almost this year
bearish market conditions, both bitcoin and altcoins have fallen very deep several times. For me this is an effort whales
make investors panic and sell crypto at cheap prices, and according to the plan whales can buy crypto at cheap prices.
So from that approaching halving BTC in 2020 prices slowly go up, because whales are starting to manipulate prices again.
In order to happen FOMO in 2020, so that after halving whales can sell at high prices.
I think the market looks stable, bitcoin doesn't fall too far, so it's safe now. maybe this is just a small rally, so don't worry. it's too fast to think the market is manipulated just because of this. halving is still too long, maybe about 6 months. so there's no way the hype started this fast.
it may not been manipulated now but the issue here is the manipulation that has been happening in this market.for how many times that when some issue arise market automatically move from pumping and sometimes dumping.
anyway market is now stabilizing and hopefully will grow in december
It's still manipulated. look at how a lot of exchange sites are writing fake volumes about their daily volume and that will definitely give impacts to the token or coins too.
The manipulation is happening anytime right now.
If it is too obvious, you will know for sure since it's just a two way to know it. One is right and one is wrong, if you see that there is no news/article then suddenly the market acted it's own way then that is too obvious, right? Everything here can be seen through statistics and data, you don't need someone to tell it to you. The free resources are telling it to you already.
I don't think news or articles affect much in crypto, rather it's only effective for stocks or forex. The reason is that crypto isn't affected by the economics or whatever business or bilateral partnership. The only manipulators in crypto are whales which can be considered as stakeholders. It's easy to indentify that they exist once a market becomes volatile for no reason.
If it is too obvious, you will know for sure since it's just a two way to know it. One is right and one is wrong, if you see that there is no news/article then suddenly the market acted it's own way then that is too obvious, right? Everything here can be seen through statistics and data, you don't need someone to tell it to you. The free resources are telling it to you already.
every time the market is always manipulated, so we don't need to worry about this. and for the purpose of manipulation it is only for profit. so don't be surprised if prices suddenly go up and down in just a short time.
These manipulators or whales might be nameless now for their security purposes. But like how volatility happens it tends to become due. from the people who sells they're huge holding for some reason or for their reason that they want to lower the value of certain coin to achieve price they wanted. But I believe that it will be hard if he's only one so maybe an organisation behind them, but these can all be from judgement no proof provided since there's no specific name or details.
Exactly my point, no details, no names, no data, nothing.You are suggesting that wealthy players, whales are manipulators? I think it's not fair. For me it is the question of; is the market being speculative in nature? And I say yes to such question. However calling those players with pejorative names is somewhat counterproductive. First of all it spreads black PR about crypto holders, second thing will be that its also slander bitcoin and it's cause.
There is also a case of those mythical manipulators hurting themself, on purpose and deliberately by those speculations that they make... kinda nonsense
For something to be manipulated, it requires a manipulator.
Can we point in general direction of such person or persons? Organisations maybe? States? Yes/no?
There are even no vague conspiracy theories about it. Why it's so hard to acknowledge, that this experiment is really running free?
For the fist time in post 14th century world, we have something that resembles real, free market. Maybe this is how it just looks?
Just like that, volatile, rough around the edges, full of traps and crooks and so unpredictable that most choose to believe in a mastermind behind it all rather than convoluted, extremely complicated, dependencies rich mechanics.
Despite this, if someone believes that a manipulator is there, please post who that might be and justify it.
These manipulators or whales might be nameless now for their security purposes. But like how volatility happens it tends to become due. from the people who sells they're huge holding for some reason or for their reason that they want to lower the value of certain coin to achieve price they wanted. But I believe that it will be hard if he's only one so maybe an organisation behind them, but these can all be from judgement no proof provided since there's no specific name or details. Can we point in general direction of such person or persons? Organisations maybe? States? Yes/no?
There are even no vague conspiracy theories about it. Why it's so hard to acknowledge, that this experiment is really running free?
For the fist time in post 14th century world, we have something that resembles real, free market. Maybe this is how it just looks?
Just like that, volatile, rough around the edges, full of traps and crooks and so unpredictable that most choose to believe in a mastermind behind it all rather than convoluted, extremely complicated, dependencies rich mechanics.
Despite this, if someone believes that a manipulator is there, please post who that might be and justify it.
Yes definitely! and for sure as usual its being manipulated by some greedy investors again, because in fact they are the common reason even before wherein why after the pump in bitcoin and several altcoin there's a sudden fall afterwards . But so far the recent decline it's not even bad in my view because bitcoin still standing at 9k and keep showing strong support. So as of now lets hope whales didn't interrupt. Because you know it can causes massive declined wherein for sure bitcoin will go back again to the bottom without knowing. .
No, it not every down trend occasion that occur in the market are through manipulation because the last 2months of the Q4 are holiday (Halloween, Christmas etc) time and people usually sell some portion of their holding or use their crypto to buy some stuff for the family.We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.
I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.
I supported what you said but the reason why some people believed the market to be manipulated is because of the volatility in nature of crypto market. Meanwhile, there's always a reason behind every trend posed by the market and current trend was slightly market correction which usually occur every Q4 of the year which is not block halving year. However, we have a situation where the whales are the one behind the market status.I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.
For something to be manipulated, it requires a manipulator.
Can we point in general direction of such person or persons? Organisations maybe? States? Yes/no?
There are even no vague conspiracy theories about it. Why it's so hard to acknowledge, that this experiment is really running free?
For the fist time in post 14th century world, we have something that resembles real, free market. Maybe this is how it just looks?
Just like that, volatile, rough around the edges, full of traps and crooks and so unpredictable that most choose to believe in a mastermind behind it all rather than convoluted, extremely complicated, dependencies rich mechanics.
Despite this, if someone believes that a manipulator is there, please post who that might be and justify it.
Can we point in general direction of such person or persons? Organisations maybe? States? Yes/no?
There are even no vague conspiracy theories about it. Why it's so hard to acknowledge, that this experiment is really running free?
For the fist time in post 14th century world, we have something that resembles real, free market. Maybe this is how it just looks?
Just like that, volatile, rough around the edges, full of traps and crooks and so unpredictable that most choose to believe in a mastermind behind it all rather than convoluted, extremely complicated, dependencies rich mechanics.
Despite this, if someone believes that a manipulator is there, please post who that might be and justify it.
I think the market looks stable, bitcoin doesn't fall too far, so it's safe now. maybe this is just a small rally, so don't worry. it's too fast to think the market is manipulated just because of this. halving is still too long, maybe about 6 months. so there's no way the hype started this fast.
it may not been manipulated now but the issue here is the manipulation that has been happening in this market.for how many times that when some issue arise market automatically move from pumping and sometimes dumping.
anyway market is now stabilizing and hopefully will grow in december
it might happen, I think, there is no crypto market that is not manipulated. all crypto markets are still manipulated. those whales can always make pumps and dumps on the market. yes, maybe now is the last decline before all markets have growth and create new high price levels. may all be over soon.
Not only the crypto market even the conventional market is being manipulated by people or groups or organizations. it is because someone has the power and authority to control the market, as long as it is invented by humans. manipulation will always exist. just follow the flow of the market if you do not want to get drowned, we are a tiny ship in the middle of the ocean. Yes, every market can be a subject of manipulations. We can't do a lot about it, we are don't have power to do anything. What
we can do is to try to follow big players and to try to stay alive.
I'm here for long-term holding, manipulations don't affect my position too much. I believe this market will continue to grow with
time, and when it grows enough it will be harder to manipulate with it, it's my opinion.
its always been manipulated mate,specially when there are some news coming out and they will have a chance to manage the manipulation.
this has been happening for long years now though there are no proof but its an obvious scenario and theres nothing to think more.so dont just think that its only from recent but for many times already.
this has been happening for long years now though there are no proof but its an obvious scenario and theres nothing to think more.so dont just think that its only from recent but for many times already.
Indeed manipulation has not yet proven, but I do believed that whales had a huge contribution why btc price surges and declined abruptly. Most traders who've been holding for so long, can determine the way it should and how the market goes in fairly. Most of the movement prevails through the recurring pattern, which can be seen as you're monitoring closely with the recent changes. We eventually see the usual circumstances that always tend to occur from the past, that has now happening all over again.
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