Topic: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? - page 17. (Read 58230 times)

yes, since end of 90s when Putin started his climb to power and restoration of empire. every tyranny blows up at some point.

USA might blow up too but there is smaller chance of that happening. people in USA are actually enjoying a better country by most standards, economy of USA is huge and military power is unmatched by combined power of next couple countries on the list. those are not signs of "this country will fail any time soon". yes people can hate how USA is getting involved in all kinds of conflicts but do you see USA annexing territories or setting up puppet governments anywhere? difference between USA intervention and Russia intervention is that USA eventually leaves.

Russia on the other hand has practically destroyed it's economy by dutch disease making 70% of budget come from selling oil and gas. Things Russia is producing cannot compete on any market outside of Russia. It is increasingly becoming a police state where you can't even gather to protest against anything. Any opposition is being squashed and opposing media being taken over or closed or banned. And now you have russia fueling terrorism war in eastern part of ukraine, russian weapons are being found in possession of HAMAS and open support of tyrannical regimes like Assad's. I urge you to just go through american billionaires and russian billionaires and compare how did they amassed their fortunes - this is the real difference between USA politics and Russia politics.

For how long have you been frozen?

Such talks (about Russia "blowing up sooner or later") were on the agenda in the 90s. But as time passes, it becomes more interesting if the USA is not gonna blow up any time soon...

more likely the West just considers russia a monkey with grenade and tries to isolate it so that it can't do much damage when it blows up. and it will blow up sooner or later.

I don't think they would be useless, but they would likely be less effective as Russia likely has more advanced missiles then rogue states would likely have. These shields are also largely untested in real world situations making it hard to know how effective they are in any situation.

So we are led to believe.

But strategically it would make a lot of sense to convince everyone that a cold war has started, Russia against the West. Russia and West both developing nukes and other systems, the whole world saying (hoho they're gonna kill eachother if they fight).

But of course as a joined force (Russia & West) they would be formidable.

Interestingly the Ukraine is atop the Black Sea, beneath which lies the middle east. What a perfect ruse to amass a large force just north of the Black Sea.

Of course this is all crazy conjecture, but crazy will probably "win" the global game.

The end stages of the global game will probably involve much double crossing and such, a very chaotic and risky game if you ask me, unless of course your safely controlling the game from a deep underground bunker, then it's great fun! like a multiplayer computer game!(sarcasm).

The anti-missile shield may indeed be useless against the Russian ICBMs, but does anyone believe the NATO chief even if he says the utmost truth? Maybe, he is just not telling the whole truth?

I remember reading a NATO explanation that the missile shield is intended to intercept any future ballistic missile attacks by rogue states such as Iran. The NATO chief himself has said that the shield is useless against the Russian ICBMs.

It is not a secret at all. There are "planned" surveillance flights (which the other side gives its consent to) and "unplanned" ones (which the other side apparently doesn't give). So you guess which one was that you refer to...

There is only one issue, this so-called anti-missile shield simply won't work because at the current level of technology it's impossible to intercept even old soviet ICBM. Soviet missiles were made taking into account the possibility of such a system installation by suggested enemy, russian missiles have some additional technologies to make it even more difficult.

It's all nothing more than scam... Another attempt to steal some taxpayers money and get a place to deploy some middle-range missiles.

Russia's real enemy is to the east, not some hiccups from the west.

Nazis are gone. West always maintained a defensive attitude in regards to russia. No one is dreaming of lebraunsbum. If anything, west is suspicious as hell of russian motives and is trying to keep tabs on its movements by surrounding it with anti-russian aligned nations as proxy, like a trip wire. However, it has always been the aim of the west to maintain a very wary defensive posture. No one is dreaming about conquering russia. Russia is for russians.

However, the real key point is that no western politician or general is dreaming about goose step marching their armies down the red square. Even the post ww 2 plan to offensively strike and destroy USSR was 'operation unthinkable' - russians must understand that their behavior is antagonizing the wrong entity and driving away a potential partner that can do much to help them build up defense of their nation and secure their borders.

Russia must understand that its priorities have always lied to the east and the threats emerging from the middle east along the caucasian regions.

Paranoia is all well and good, but russia is making a very big mistake by antagonizing the west. Neither side has much to gain from such a confrontation.

Historically, with the exception of nazism, the threats which caused most misery on russian people have always been from the eastern direction.

Russian are honorable people with a deep history, one that has taken much damage while they soaked up the bulk of the invasion and aggression against the western world. Their paranoia and aggression is completely understandable if you just take one glance at their history.

However, their current nationalistic and antagonizing stance is counter productive, as is the west's constant attempts to belittle a potential partner, the attitude triggered by overwhelming degree of antagonism from the russian government. Russia has the potential to be the greatest partner and ally the west can have, both for their ability to fight and withstand hardships.

Day will soon come when priorities will align temporarily.

Can you post a source on this? I don't think this is 100% true. There was a situation a few weeks ago when a US surveillance plane was caught by Russian radar and had to move quickly out of Russian airspace and actually went into Turkey's airspace (IIRC) without their permission (due to it was an emergency).

They are driving Russia in a corner, the stupidest thing they could possibly do, but that is the USA, they want to show off...

USA sends to Norway a large batch or military hardware, including M1A1 tanks. The shipment is done by seas. USA stated a goal of building a large NATO base right on the Russian border:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/268404

Not sure about cargo planes, but according to the Treaty on Open Skies, Russia has the right to perform unarmed aerial surveillance flights over the entire territory of the USA (just like the latter can fly over the territory of the former)...

Russia was referring to NATO and the West as "partners" until recently, even when NATO was behaving anything by as a partner, rebuffing repeated requests from Russia to participate in the European shield program (as one example). Russia had open sky for NATO/US warplanes flying from Afghanistan. Can you imagine USA allowing Russian military transport planes to fly over its territory?
Putin and Lavrov are acting based on the signals from the outside forces - you cannot repeatedly try to be friends with someone who insists on slapping you across the face.

old times:

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=29294#.U-SnN_l_ut8

From an another article:

Yeah, there had been rumors of some intense hand fighting in a Turkish hotel between the Russian and Ukrainian tourists there, and the French tourists sided with the Russians and beat up the Ukrainians along with the German and English tourists who got on the Ukrainians' side.

NATO officially stops cooperation with Russia (as if cooperation ever really existed):
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1367135?utm_medium=rss20

This time, French might yet end up being on the friends-side. In 1945 USSR could have done without such "friends" as US and UK.