Topic: Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? - page 18. (Read 17908 times)

Wikipedia get's its insight on the Islam religion from the Koran...the single book that outlines the tenants of the religion. I agree with you that actions speak more loudly than words on a page...so terrorist act after terrorist act shifts our perception of how people live out the religion.

One thing that has constantly annoyed and concerned me - why hasn't a high ranking member of the Islam religion (an Imam from Saudi Arabia or another devout Islam country) spoken out against terrorist acts...immediately after they happen? When there is a terrorist act the first thing we hear from a Muslim person is credit (from ISIS/Daesh, etc.)

We NEVER hear an Imam denouncing the acts and reaffirming to the world that the religion is one of peace. That fact is one to be explored and discussed further.

bolded above, right.  The EVIDENCE does not show that Islamic violence is a focused punch back on "the West."  It is tactics used whenever, whereever, for whatever, often without a reason even well stated.

Sure seems like Islam is full of a lot of hate, doesn't it?

Almost none of what you wrote is relevant to the situation today.  Islam owns suicide bomber whackjobs, period.  There's no rationalizing about how somehow that's the fault of "the west."  It's not.  It's what they do.  They blow themselves up, often with NO clear purpose or goal. 

It's really quite laughable that you'd try to shrug it off.  Or blame it on things that have zero relation to it.

Muslims are people. People naturally understand that peace is what makes things work. This is why most of them are weak Muslims. The Koran says that Muslims should convert others to Islam, and after a time of attempted conversion, if they won't convert, to kill them. Most Muslims won't do this. They are weak Muslims.

ISIS is following the Koran - perhaps a little too zealously. But they are following it way more than your average Muslim.

The masses of Muslims in the world are generally Muslim in name, only. And, one has to be pretty dumb to become a simple Muslim.

These are parts of the reason that Islam, with well over a billion people who supposedly are Muslim, can't get together to conquer the world. They aren't even intelligent enough to see that they are not following their religion according to their holy book. But they are naturally intelligent enough to see that peace is the only answer to life.

Koran violence - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)

And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.

An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. One example would be the Islamic Revolution in Iran, where the USA overthrew the Shah and allowed a government run by the Shia muslim Ayatollah Khomeini to gain power. This leader held far more strict rules on social discipline, and turned Iran into a far more authoritarian country than it was before the revolution.

The Civil War in Syria was also responsible, and certain countries supporting Al-Assad (the current Al-Assad's father), for geopolitical gain.

Not to mention that earlier, in the aftermath of WW1, many western politicians decided to draw arbitrary borders on a map to separate certain Middle Eastern cultures/countries, and ended up putting people that didn't get on in the same country all of a sudden, causing civil wars.

The Western support of Saddam Hussein (and the sale of arms to him to win his civil war), and then later his demise when he became useless to the USA and Britain. The list goes on.

And it's worth mentioning that a few hundred years ago, the Islamic world were actually at the forefront of science and medicine, while the rest of the world were throwing "witches" in lakes and seeing whether they floated or not.

There has always been individuals ready to battle for their religion, question is are they actually doing it for their religion or just using religion as an excuse for barbaric behaviour?

It's a very complicated situation.

well atleast we can be happy that it is just some terrorist per year wearing a bomb suit or kidnapping a truck.

imagine the mudslimes would have a real army with stealthbombers, tanks, rocketships, ballistic missiles etc. pp. and would atleast go to war once every decade to not have their economy collapse 


Dont throw with rocks if you are sitting in a glasshouse.


PS: Russia doesnt have to hide in the shadow either.

   There isnt much to discuss here, all religions are the same! People do bad things in the name of religion, not just now, its like that since the beginning of the world. In most cases people intentionally "misinterpret"* religion in order to use it as a justification for the bad things they do.
   I think muslims are just more extremist in that, their laws about girls, about alcohol and drugs, they are like from medieval century. I dont know how they live under such laws, personally I could never become one of them and live in that kind of communities. Freedom for all!

His post is not ignored.  I had limited time at that moment.  But you misunderstood what I was calling a strawman argument.

It is the titles of the 2 prior threads with titles "Kill Muslims" and "Do you hate muslims."

These titles are strawman arguments. 

Plus they are disgusting titles.   Honestly I don't even want to discuss anything in a thread entitled "Kill Muslims."

In 2016 there were 2475 Islamic attacks in 61 countries, in which 21238 people were killed and 26677 injured.

So its not just the nasty US or EU the muslims arent happy in, its a Global problem.


If this is the case then we need to finish the job once and for all, them or us right?

Of course. But that means you should keep in mind when talking about how "they make bombings and shootings" and else, that we're doing far worse to them and we've been doing this for freaking decades.
So let's not all start acting like little virgins who get unfairly attacked while they were completely innocent.
We attacked first. We destroyed entire nations without reason. We killed dozens of thousands of civilians.
How do you want them to deal with us in any way but with hate, violence and revenge of desire?

The news only reports news that is newsworthy. One set of rare events gets more coverage than another that is more common.
For example, bad weather, which happens relatively rarely, always gets disproportionate coverage compared with good weather coverage.

I'm not saying it right, I'm just saying that's the way it works.

Or maybe I'm the only one trying to answer the thread question?

The question is about Islam RELIGION being a religion of hate and violence. All I'm saying is that Islam isn't mature enough compared to a religion which is 600 years older! If you want to talk about Muslims then that's a DIFFERENT subject! Islam and Muslims are not the same thing, so don't try to make me say what I didn't say.

And I would add that human race evolved yeah, but some parts of the world were a bit too busy with our armies bombing the shit out of them last decades, so they no longer have any kind of education because they no longer have the buildings to teach anything... And humans without education are not far from the middle age people.

The bulk of the human race has kind of moved on and advanced over the last 600 years,  just waiting on one religous group to catch up to the rest of us.

Seems like you are justiftying current attrocities by pointing out events from hundreds of years ago.

You talking about how we are currently and for the last 20 years if not more, bombing shooting and destroying entire Muslim nations around the world but the media don't say a word about it?

And you wonder why they're coming to kill some of us?

Are you even aware that we killed more Muslims in just the last month of Syrian war than they did with all terrorist attacks on Western World in the last 5 years?

Christians NO LONGER burn people alive?
Christians did much worse than what some Muslims are doing currently. But Islam is a religion 600 years younger than Catholicism.
Wanna know what we were doing 600 years ago?
That's right. Spanish inquisition.
So don't act like they're more barbaric than we have ever been k?

Oh you're the one always talking about logical fallacies no?
Ok let's go.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
Clearly he says that if you question the Islam religion you should begin by studying the Islam holy book. You're misleading everyone by answering about studying Islamic people behaviour while it was neither your question nor his arguments. You're basically answering another question than the thread you started is about while considering another answer than the one he stated, congrats that's a combo strawman.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
Congrats another combo.
You're both trying to answer while making an monstrous generalization saying that you observe the behavior of Islamics which is false, you observe the anecdotic events given out by the media. Not like you took into account the behaviour of all Islamics did you?

Oh and I won't even talk about you chose to ignore 80% of his post of course xD

Fooled? Are you suggesting all these bombings, shootings and lorry rampages have been fabricated by the media?

So no more fairly stories = a big reduction in suicide bombers + murderers.

All religion needs erasing from this planet.

A big big no! You were fooled by news and all media reports out there. But I beleive that muslims are good friends but worst enemies. Some terrorist bombing done by muslims is because of their leaders will and self interests. Some leaders use its power to urge a person from doing it because they told them that they will be with allah after doing it.

Are you saying that a ideology created before cars, trucks, firearms, and gunpowder might possibly have problems once there were car bombs and machine guns?