Topic: Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? - page 17. (Read 17895 times)
January 13, 2017, 07:58:23 AM
How many are the muslim population in the world. There are millions of them and not even 50% are bad people. Its the same with americans how many are the population but you cannot tell that that all Americans are murderers just because thousands of them massacred the American Indians. My point is do not generalize everything. The truth remains the same, we are all humans, and as humans there are good and bad people and that applies to all.
January 13, 2017, 01:01:55 AM
That's interesting. Yeah, perhaps you're right. It's happening but not on CNN. If true, that would be so unfortunate. I think it would be a HUGE story. It would be such a benefit to the world, uniting the world against these people who pervert this religion.
I haven't seen any outcry from the religion...if you have, share it with me.
Yeah that's because immams/muslims denouncing acts of terrorism don't make a good news story.
There has been many protests by muslims agianst the despicable terrorism that ISIS and other inflict on the world, but it doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of most mainstream news outlets. Do little digging and you'll find that it does happen, and quite regularly.
I've personally seen a group of well over a thousand muslims protesting in the street against this sort of hatred, and I don't even live in a very big city.
I haven't seen any outcry from the religion...if you have, share it with me.
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We NEVER hear an Imam denouncing the acts and reaffirming to the world that the religion is one of peace. That fact is one to be explored and discussed further.
We NEVER hear an Imam denouncing the acts and reaffirming to the world that the religion is one of peace. That fact is one to be explored and discussed further.
Yeah that's because immams/muslims denouncing acts of terrorism don't make a good news story.
There has been many protests by muslims agianst the despicable terrorism that ISIS and other inflict on the world, but it doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of most mainstream news outlets. Do little digging and you'll find that it does happen, and quite regularly.
I've personally seen a group of well over a thousand muslims protesting in the street against this sort of hatred, and I don't even live in a very big city.
This is just one story from a week ago: https://www.rt.com/news/372610-afghanistan-thousands-protest-isis/
10 minutes of googling will find many more sources of similar protests. Again, fuck the terrorists for their cowardly acts, but don't think that all muslims are bad people that agree with the killing of innocent people.
January 13, 2017, 12:28:40 AM
The thread "Kill Muslims" was started by a Muslim with a provocative title.
The thread "Hate Muslims" was started by a Muslim with a provocative title.
Then people can reply "Oh my gosh NO!" to these straw man arguments.
I am tired of the manipulation and lying.
Islam owns the entire concept and practice of suicide bombing.
Islam owns over 95% of the terrorist activities.
Discuss.
The thread "Hate Muslims" was started by a Muslim with a provocative title.
Then people can reply "Oh my gosh NO!" to these straw man arguments.
I am tired of the manipulation and lying.
Islam owns the entire concept and practice of suicide bombing.
Islam owns over 95% of the terrorist activities.
Discuss.
Wow! that percentage of terrorist is very high >.< now i believe in you dude.. I don't have an idea that they practice suicide bombing damn.. that's very savage then that terrorist activity why are they doing that? recently people are living peacefully more than they do then they want to start war from other countries how stupid they are to be a terrorist they don't even have the technologies to fight with the highly equip countries and for the record Islam is just a weak they really know how to trigger a country if they want war they will go and make war not terrorist one's country that just weak and stupid they think they are strong but i know they will be consume by some country that had enough of the terrorism i wish to end them all with one strike! sorry for the bad english and manners have a good day to you
January 13, 2017, 12:22:38 AM
That's interesting. Yeah, perhaps you're right. It's happening but not on CNN. If true, that would be so unfortunate. I think it would be a HUGE story. It would be such a benefit to the world, uniting the world against these people who pervert this religion.
I haven't seen any outcry from the religion...if you have, share it with me.
Yeah that's because immams/muslims denouncing acts of terrorism don't make a good news story.
There has been many protests by muslims agianst the despicable terrorism that ISIS and other inflict on the world, but it doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of most mainstream news outlets. Do little digging and you'll find that it does happen, and quite regularly.
I've personally seen a group of well over a thousand muslims protesting in the street against this sort of hatred, and I don't even live in a very big city.
I haven't seen any outcry from the religion...if you have, share it with me.
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We NEVER hear an Imam denouncing the acts and reaffirming to the world that the religion is one of peace. That fact is one to be explored and discussed further.
We NEVER hear an Imam denouncing the acts and reaffirming to the world that the religion is one of peace. That fact is one to be explored and discussed further.
Yeah that's because immams/muslims denouncing acts of terrorism don't make a good news story.
There has been many protests by muslims agianst the despicable terrorism that ISIS and other inflict on the world, but it doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of most mainstream news outlets. Do little digging and you'll find that it does happen, and quite regularly.
I've personally seen a group of well over a thousand muslims protesting in the street against this sort of hatred, and I don't even live in a very big city.
January 13, 2017, 12:19:40 AM
There are 3 Islams:
1. The one the Muslim people live in their everyday lives;
2. The one the Muslim clerics try to explain to the Muslim people (but they can't, because it is too convoluted);
3. The real one, the one that ISIS practices.
1. The one the Muslim people live in their everyday lives;
2. The one the Muslim clerics try to explain to the Muslim people (but they can't, because it is too convoluted);
3. The real one, the one that ISIS practices.
#1 is complex. Because the daily life of a Muslim differs from country to country. The daily life of a Muslim in Sudan is different from that in Saudi Arabia or Qatar. But there are certain forces which unify them, such as hatred for the infidels, fear of females.etc.
January 12, 2017, 10:28:43 PM
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Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
Almost none of what you wrote is relevant to the situation today. Islam owns suicide bomber whackjobs, period. There's no rationalizing about how somehow that's the fault of "the west." It's not. It's what they do. They blow themselves up, often with NO clear purpose or goal. Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
It's really quite laughable that you'd try to shrug it off. Or blame it on things that have zero relation to it.
You misunderstand, I'm not shrugging it off by any means. I think it's a despicable and cowardly ideology, and I'm not trying to put the blame on anyone. I'm merely stating that certain actions by the west (specifically the USA) may well have contributed to the radical Islamic uprising that we see today.
My point was also that it is a common misconception that radical islamic attacks, especially suicide bombings are some sort of medieval ideology.
Suicide bombings are a very new phenomenon, I think the first instance where we see these types of attacks en masse, are in the 1980s during the alliance of Hafez al-Assad and Ruhollah Khomeini (who was the leader of Iran after the Shah was overthrown in the revolution). They used this new form of suicide attacks to force American troops from Lebanon.
And it is important to note how advanced the Islamic world was in the "Golden Age" (between the 8th and 13th centuries), because it shows that it isn't necessarily the muslim religion or the teachings of the Quran that are the driving force behind the radicalism we see today. At this period in history the Islamic world was seeking knowledge, and developing and translating mathematics, philosophy and science in general. This is in stark contrast to the attitudes we see today from the radical islamists.
It's no-ones fault (apart from the actual terrorists) that this is happening, per se, I just think it's short sighted to put it all down to "the Quran is bad and teaches muslims to kill infidels" (which is what many people believe).
Again, I'm not blaming anyone or shrugging anything off - I'm just commenting that it is an extremely complicated situation that has many factors which may or may not have caused it, and to just blame "Islam" seems naive. I think all religion is bullshit, for the record.
January 12, 2017, 09:48:19 PM
No, Islam terrorism was around before. How about the 400+ terrorist bombings that Yassir Arafat was involved in?
arafat was trying to reclaim a bit of land that had been taken from his people unjustly. he had have more in common with eta/ira than the current crop of muslim terrorists who kill indiscriminately. give the palestinians their land and they'll go away.Really?
Over a dozen times people tried to negotiate a settlement, every time he backed out. He was responsible for over 400 terrorist acts.
Who says this is true? "give the xyz their land and they'll go away."
Maybe it is, maybe it is not.
January 12, 2017, 02:58:38 PM
No, Islam terrorism was around before. How about the 400+ terrorist bombings that Yassir Arafat was involved in?
arafat was trying to reclaim a bit of land that had been taken from his people unjustly. he had have more in common with eta/ira than the current crop of muslim terrorists who kill indiscriminately. give the palestinians their land and they'll go away.You think the "ISIS freedom fighters" in France or Germany will stop if you wipe Israel off the map and make one Palestine Arab state? This would only embolden them.
The problem is more complex than Israel taking some rocky desert land.
The colonialism and the formation of Israel are scapegoats. The root cause is the Islam's 6th-century ideology of conquest.
Even if Israel is gone, and Americans remove all of its military from "Arab lands" (whatever that means), Arabs will still complain that there is no Sharia Law where Muslims live around the world.
If you don't see it, you are brainwashed.
January 12, 2017, 04:32:03 PM
There are 3 Islams:
1. The one the Muslim people live in their everyday lives;
2. The one the Muslim clerics try to explain to the Muslim people (but they can't, because it is too convoluted);
3. The real one, the one that ISIS practices.
1. The one the Muslim people live in their everyday lives;
2. The one the Muslim clerics try to explain to the Muslim people (but they can't, because it is too convoluted);
3. The real one, the one that ISIS practices.
January 12, 2017, 04:28:24 PM
When India and Pakistan where partition it was the muslims that caused all the trouble. Gangs would attack hindu villages with swords and axes killing everyone. These people have been a problem for a very long time. I think its time to get rid of this threat once and for all.
January 12, 2017, 01:41:27 PM
Don't you love it how Spendulus talks and talks and talks until he gets cornered by facts, dates and history?
And then suddenly he stops talking and answer only to other people and question xD
I tried to discuss with him loooooong time ago.
Then I understood it's completely useless. You can't discuss with a fanatic and that's exactly what Spendulus is, a fanatic who will never change any of his opinions even when confronted to reality and facts
And then suddenly he stops talking and answer only to other people and question xD
I tried to discuss with him loooooong time ago.
Then I understood it's completely useless. You can't discuss with a fanatic and that's exactly what Spendulus is, a fanatic who will never change any of his opinions even when confronted to reality and facts
January 12, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
No, Islam terrorism was around before. How about the 400+ terrorist bombings that Yassir Arafat was involved in?
arafat was trying to reclaim a bit of land that had been taken from his people unjustly. he had have more in common with eta/ira than the current crop of muslim terrorists who kill indiscriminately. give the palestinians their land and they'll go away. January 12, 2017, 10:22:49 AM
Very normal when a lot of people think so. BECAUSE in an age now, the media generally only preach ABOUT violence, bombings, massacres committed by people in the name of Islam. As terror in paris, Belgium etc. But where the media when Muslim countries are slaughtered, destroyed, massacres of civilians everywhere? They seem to close their eyes and ears. Now Syria is in a state that was devastated, but the world seemed not to care.
No, Islam terrorism was around before. How about the 400+ terrorist bombings that Yassir Arafat was involved in?My opinion is that Islam terror acts are explicitly intended to attract media attention. So they are USING THE MEDIA, therefore don't "blame it on the media" that these get reported.
You confuse cause and effect, don't you?
January 12, 2017, 08:58:54 AM
Very normal when a lot of people think so. BECAUSE in an age now, the media generally only preach ABOUT violence, bombings, massacres committed by people in the name of Islam. As terror in paris, Belgium etc. But where the media when Muslim countries are slaughtered, destroyed, massacres of civilians everywhere? They seem to close their eyes and ears. Now Syria is in a state that was devastated, but the world seemed not to care.
January 12, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
There are muslim that don't have belief on other people they had own business where they want is war because there are getting paid too to create war to make money muslim are the number enemy of all countries where they want to kill people who don't believe in what they figting for.
January 12, 2017, 08:12:47 AM
And of course USA patronage of Alquaida is in no way linked to the destabilisation of the whole Middle East or the rise of Islamic extremism! Must be because they're just barbarians! XD
I just love how you chose to forget major facts.
Terrorism is the results of our agressions.
It doesn't mean we can't continue attacking them and invading them of course. War is.part of human history. If you want to make it fair enough. But don't act like you didn't attack first.
US marines are terrorists. Don't forget that. But don't worry, so are French pilots
I just love how you chose to forget major facts.
Terrorism is the results of our agressions.
It doesn't mean we can't continue attacking them and invading them of course. War is.part of human history. If you want to make it fair enough. But don't act like you didn't attack first.
US marines are terrorists. Don't forget that. But don't worry, so are French pilots
January 12, 2017, 08:06:58 AM
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Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
Almost none of what you wrote is relevant to the situation today. Islam owns suicide bomber whackjobs, period. There's no rationalizing about how somehow that's the fault of "the west." It's not. It's what they do. They blow themselves up, often with NO clear purpose or goal. Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
It's really quite laughable that you'd try to shrug it off. Or blame it on things that have zero relation to it.
Sure.
Let's ignore the part where West detroyed entire developed civilizations. Not like it is linked in any way woth Islam extremism.
Ever heard of Iran? 40 years ago they were educated and developped in depth, they had no or nearly no extremism.
Then West decided to take control of this zone and use the country for their own interest. Now it's the the center of one of the major centre of terrorism.
But of course, it's just a coincidence. There is NO WAY that destruction of schools and institutions is linked whatsoever with rise of extremism.
Basically primitive 6th century medieval warlords with a cleric's robe.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure!
Not like the USA had ANYTHING to do with that!
What? USA providing weapons to Irak and Sadam hussen (officialy, I'm not talking about conspiracy theories here) in order to destabilize and isolate Iran. Not like they actively took part in the destruction of Iran. Nor like their implication led to the destruction of peace, institutions and diplomacy.
Iran was in a complicated situation with a popular revolution. And just when they were starting to get their shit together, USA gave weapon, training and money to Alquaida to attack them. Leading to the only possible answer from them: getting nationalist as fuck .
But no, USA DID THAT FOR FREEDOM OF.COURSE! NOT FOR OIL
January 12, 2017, 07:57:02 AM
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Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
Almost none of what you wrote is relevant to the situation today. Islam owns suicide bomber whackjobs, period. There's no rationalizing about how somehow that's the fault of "the west." It's not. It's what they do. They blow themselves up, often with NO clear purpose or goal. Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
It's really quite laughable that you'd try to shrug it off. Or blame it on things that have zero relation to it.
Sure.
Let's ignore the part where West detroyed entire developed civilizations. Not like it is linked in any way woth Islam extremism.
Ever heard of Iran? 40 years ago they were educated and developped in depth, they had no or nearly no extremism.
Then West decided to take control of this zone and use the country for their own interest. Now it's the the center of one of the major centre of terrorism.
But of course, it's just a coincidence. There is NO WAY that destruction of schools and institutions is linked whatsoever with rise of extremism.
Basically primitive 6th century medieval warlords with a cleric's robe.
January 12, 2017, 07:55:10 AM
Christians NO LONGER burn people alive?
Christians did much worse than what some Muslims are doing currently. But Islam is a religion 600 years younger than Catholicism.
Wanna know what we were doing 600 years ago?
That's right. Spanish inquisition.
So don't act like they're more barbaric than we have ever been k?
The bulk of the human race has kind of moved on and advanced over the last 600 years, just waiting on one religous group to catch up to the rest of us.
Seems like you are justiftying current attrocities by pointing out events from hundreds of years ago.
Or maybe I'm the only one trying to answer the thread question?
The question is about Islam RELIGION being a religion of hate and violence. All I'm saying is that Islam isn't mature enough compared to a religion which is 600 years older! If you want to talk about Muslims then that's a DIFFERENT subject! Islam and Muslims are not the same thing, so don't try to make me say what I didn't say.
And I would add that human race evolved yeah, but some parts of the world were a bit too busy with our armies bombing the shit out of them last decades, so they no longer have any kind of education because they no longer have the buildings to teach anything... And humans without education are not far from the middle age people.
So what? now religions are like wine? They are all fucked up, except some were smart enough to adjust to the changing times or lose membership.
Islam is rigid as it was written by a guy nicknamed Allah in the 6th or 7th century, the guy called himself God. And he put it down: "To all motherfuckers out there, do not try to change my shit. blah,blah...".
So Muslims are stuck. They cannot just ignore some quotes without ignoring the rest of these scribblings.
Of course not.
You think that the bible you can read today is the same as 600 years ago? And you think christians interpreat it the same way?
Do you realize that the Bible also states how you should kill a woman who cheated on her husband? It's juste that after 2000 years they stopped doing it. But even 100 years ago, thanks to christians, post european countries were treating homosexuality like a disease that must be erased. So don't start stating that Christianity is peaceful but Islam is violent. They're both violent as fuck, but Christianity has the luck to developp itself for 600 more years.
January 12, 2017, 07:51:44 AM
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Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
Almost none of what you wrote is relevant to the situation today. Islam owns suicide bomber whackjobs, period. There's no rationalizing about how somehow that's the fault of "the west." It's not. It's what they do. They blow themselves up, often with NO clear purpose or goal. Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)
And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.
An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. ......
It's really quite laughable that you'd try to shrug it off. Or blame it on things that have zero relation to it.
Sure.
Let's ignore the part where West detroyed entire developed civilizations. Not like it is linked in any way woth Islam extremism.
Ever heard of Iran? 40 years ago they were educated and developped in depth, they had no or nearly no extremism.
Then West decided to take control of this zone and use the country for their own interest. Now it's the the center of one of the major centre of terrorism.
But of course, it's just a coincidence. There is NO WAY that destruction of schools and institutions is linked whatsoever with rise of extremism.
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