Japanese man gambled away a huge Covid-19 relief funds mistakenly sent to him

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on July 11, 2022, 03:25:37 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 15, 2022, 12:11:40 AM

It's not yours in the first place, then why you should gamble that money? And I heard countless stories like this and it didn't end well with the person because this is like stealing. I know that it's the bank's fault or whoever it is, but the fact that it is not your money and for sure you know that. And then totally gamble it? This man should be jail for years and pay it.

People like to have fun on others money - like many boys want to get entertainment on their gf money and many girls want to get entertained on their bf money.
People are materialis and they want to get as much money as they could. This lust for money is a disturbing trait and one should try to get rid of it. The sooner the better.

They use other people's money because they won't be so sad about losing it when it runs out. They can still gamble with other money but if it is their money, they will be sad about the loss. It was the bank's fault that it had already sent the money into someone else's account but in this case, the person receiving it still received the error because he had used it for gambling. Hopefully, there will be no more cases of wrong delivery to other people's accounts in the future, so there will be no similar cases to what he experienced.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 11, 2022, 04:23:48 PM

I think the sender is also at fault with this, since he started the mess in the first place. I would say he never take extra careful in doing the transaction knowing its certainly a very important one. So both the receiver and the sender have to be given proper sanctions. However, the gambler itself should also know when to spend or when not since the money is not his own possession. But since he chose to gambled everything, then he should be responsible to pay for that. I just hope he'd be able to get back on his normal life and not to be judged easily by others.

of course both get legal sanctions according to the jurisdiction of the Japanese state. as you said, the bank's negligence mistakenly transferred the covid aid funds to the customer and it was only discovered after two weeks. it was a fatal omission that caused the incident to occur. the bank must be held accountable in court, however the man is guilty, using money that does not belong to him and deliberately used for gambling. this is where the mistake that makes him get legal sanctions even though he is willing to replace the money he has used. I think this will be a valuable lesson for the man.

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Quote from: len01 on July 11, 2022, 02:44:31 PM

the gambler was indeed at fault because he had used money that was not meant for him. but on the other hand the sender also has a little mistake sending large amounts of money but is not careful in writing the address to be sent.

Both of them have the fault. Think both of them that are responsible for their own mistakes.

Quote from: len01 on July 11, 2022, 02:44:31 PM

in the end the gambler also admitted his mistake and intended to return the money he had used to gamble.
so the gambler is not completely wrong

It's still not rare to see people admitting that they're wrong and if it's about to be returned, that's a good call for his actions for being responsible. That won't make him lose something but that will show how he's willing to cooperate because the money wasn't him. Lessons are for both of them and they'll be better and won't do mistakes again that are the same with this incident.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 11, 2022, 04:23:48 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 12:03:34 PM

We all see this situation differently, but I really feel sorry for the guy. The idea is that he was hurt because of someone else's mistake. Yes, he's also partly to blame for spending someone else's money, but if it wasn't for the transfer, he wouldn't be in trouble. I sincerely wish him to sort out these problems as soon as possible and get back to a normal life without these crazy debts and jail.

I think the sender is also at fault with this, since he started the mess in the first place. I would say he never take extra careful in doing the transaction knowing its certainly a very important one. So both the receiver and the sender have to be given proper sanctions. However, the gambler itself should also know when to spend or when not since the money is not his own possession. But since he chose to gambled everything, then he should be responsible to pay for that. I just hope he'd be able to get back on his normal life and not to be judged easily by others.

Both parties or sides does have their own fault but it would be majority on that reciever who would get much attention and pointing on fingers since its not really that right on spending up money which
isnt yours and that just which it would really be your fault if spending and gambling out those money since you've put up into your mind that it wasnt your mistake but theirs but after spending those
funds and on the time that they would really be suing you out then what you would gonna do? You would just say you have gambled all of those funds and its not your fault?
Thats no how reality works and even if its just accident then you would really be still need to face up consequences and thats for sure.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 12:03:34 PM

We all see this situation differently, but I really feel sorry for the guy. The idea is that he was hurt because of someone else's mistake. Yes, he's also partly to blame for spending someone else's money, but if it wasn't for the transfer, he wouldn't be in trouble. I sincerely wish him to sort out these problems as soon as possible and get back to a normal life without these crazy debts and jail.

I think the sender is also at fault with this, since he started the mess in the first place. I would say he never take extra careful in doing the transaction knowing its certainly a very important one. So both the receiver and the sender have to be given proper sanctions. However, the gambler itself should also know when to spend or when not since the money is not his own possession. But since he chose to gambled everything, then he should be responsible to pay for that. I just hope he'd be able to get back on his normal life and not to be judged easily by others.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 15, 2022, 12:11:40 AM

It's not yours in the first place, then why you should gamble that money? And I heard countless stories like this and it didn't end well with the person because this is like stealing. I know that it's the bank's fault or whoever it is, but the fact that it is not your money and for sure you know that. And then totally gamble it? This man should be jail for years and pay it.

People like to have fun on others money - like many boys want to get entertainment on their gf money and many girls want to get entertained on their bf money.
People are materialis and they want to get as much money as they could. This lust for money is a disturbing trait and one should try to get rid of it. The sooner the better.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on July 11, 2022, 01:27:55 PM

In the first place is it his money?, why won't he be at fault ,If he was a good citizen the rightful thing he should have done is to return the money, the money that was sent wrongly to his account, he went futher and used the money for gambling. maybe he was aiming at winning a jackpot and then pay back the money. So in all and sundry he's at fault and not the sender.

the gambler was indeed at fault because he had used money that was not meant for him. but on the other hand the sender also has a little mistake sending large amounts of money but is not careful in writing the address to be sent.
in the end the gambler also admitted his mistake and intended to return the money he had used to gamble.
so the gambler is not completely wrong

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But why didn't it happen to the person when the bank had the power to withdraw it sooner?

this was one of the things that I kept thinking about in this scandal I also sometimes check up if there has been an update to this case to know whether there was foul play, but I can't still find any. It's really weird that it took them 2 weeks before they contacted the guy. but then again, some bank branches process a lot of transactions in one day that they might not have noticed the error when it happened.

Something that might have slight discrepancy with the process, it's true that bank can check it out right away as they have

the info regarding to every transactions they process from day to day operation, it's weird that it takes 2 weeks before they

noticed and it's enough time already for the person who have gambling issue to consume all the money, it's a long span of time

to lose your money if you have gambling addiction issue.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on July 11, 2022, 01:27:55 PM

In the first place is it his money?, why won't he be at fault ,If he was a good citizen the rightful thing he should have done is to return the money, the money that was sent wrongly to his account, he went futher and used the money for gambling. maybe he was aiming at winning a jackpot and then pay back the money. So in all and sundry he's at fault and not the sender.

I think he is not story for using up this fund. He became greedy and would have wanted to double his before he would distribute among the people.
When you get funds/money you get the idea what other person is up to .. People become blind when they get others people money and they keep running when they have to return the money.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

In the first place is it his money?, why won't he be at fault ,If he was a good citizen the rightful thing he should have done is to return the money, the money that was sent wrongly to his account, he went futher and used the money for gambling. maybe he was aiming at winning a jackpot and then pay back the money. So in all and sundry he's at fault and not the sender.

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I believe there is a shared fault between the bank (or those responsible for the money wiring) and the man who gambled all the money away, mostly the man, since he had the moral and civil responsability of returning those funds to the bank.

I assume he thought that since the bank would figure it out eventually, he could use the money to gamble, earn millions more (enough to return to the bank and keep a good percentage to himself).

It is also curious the fact the casino did not find his deposits to be suspicious, since this is a important quantity of money in a relatively short period of time. Unfortunately, even if the casino froze his deposits he would have found another place to gamble the money away...

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So who should be blamed in the bank's side? I'm pretty sure that they are looking in their side who would take the blame so that the bank won't be heavily blamed and it will result in a human error. About the man who gambled the funds, I'm sure he's now getting dumped in the prison and who knows that man is already living in hell because the government is putting pressure on the warden (some instances these will happen).

that man did make a big mistake but he actually didn't commit a major crime, from the story that happened that it was a pure mistake from the bank. Psychologically those who are not very honest will immediately use the opportunities available to become rich overnight. he will definitely be in prison for a few years but if he wisely keeps the money, when he gets out of prison he will be able to safely enjoy the money.

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Quote from: agustina2 on June 27, 2022, 06:49:40 PM

He enjoyed using the money disregarding what will be the consequences of it. That guy should learn his lesson.

Indeed. Its a huge amount accidentally sent to his bank account, he's aware its not his money but still use it to gamble as if its his own. Instead of coordinating to the bank he gambled it away.

Now, even he return the money, it doesnt mean he's a good guy. Its his responsibility and he should face the consequence of his action.

He must have been careful, As he is not the owner of this assets. This money should never be spent on gambling. It certainly proves that the man did these things only for his personal interest so he was a fraud, He didn't control his greediness.

The sad thing right here is that the funds was too important just to get it wasted in gambling activities, that same funds is aiming to help people in a village in Japan but sadly it was mistakenly sent to a selfish and heartless man. He could have done good deeds by just calling his bank he received a huge amount of money from nowhere, he could've also received a reward if he chose to take the right path.

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Quote from: lienfaye on June 27, 2022, 08:02:37 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on June 27, 2022, 06:49:40 PM

He enjoyed using the money disregarding what will be the consequences of it. That guy should learn his lesson.

Indeed. Its a huge amount accidentally sent to his bank account, he's aware its not his money but still use it to gamble as if its his own. Instead of coordinating to the bank he gambled it away.

Now, even he return the money, it doesnt mean he's a good guy. Its his responsibility and he should face the consequence of his action.

He must have been careful, As he is not the owner of this assets. This money should never be spent on gambling. It certainly proves that the man did these things only for his personal interest so he was a fraud, He didn't control his greediness.

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Quote from: Falconer on July 08, 2022, 01:42:00 PM

But why didn't it happen to the person when the bank had the power to withdraw it sooner?

this was one of the things that I kept thinking about in this scandal I also sometimes check up if there has been an update to this case to know whether there was foul play, but I can't still find any. It's really weird that it took them 2 weeks before they contacted the guy. but then again, some bank branches process a lot of transactions in one day that they might not have noticed the error when it happened.

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The man should be blame for his mistakes, the money was too much to think of using to play a bet, someone who is reasonable would it is very risky to use such amount of money to play gamble, it is under probability to predict to win the money back.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 07, 2022, 05:12:36 AM

This is the essence of the problem. It doesn't matter whether he gambled it away or bought pornography or some shady stocks with the whole amount. He shouldn't be touching the money, in the first place.

What he was thinking was: "I'll win some extra through gambling and then will return the funds". Ethics aside, it's like borrowing money for gambling. No one should ever do that.

This is most likely what passed through his mind, if he had spend that money in something like clothes or shoes then we could say that he was irresponsible by touching money that he knew did not belong to him, however most likely when he saw that money hitting his account he thought of it as an opportunity from which he could benefit and used that money as seed capital for his gambling activities so he could multiply that money, unfortunately for him it did not worked out and now he needs to give that money back.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

In my country, if the bank makes a wrong transfer then whoever the beneficiary will be contacted by the bank to ask for the money back if the beneficiary has withdrawn it from his bank account. In some cases the bank can immediately withdraw the money back from the beneficiary's account, I've had this happen. But why didn't it happen to the person when the bank had the power to withdraw it sooner?

In the first case, the bank and its employees are guilty of sending to the wrong account. Second, the recipient may not use the money if it does not belong to him. In my opinion, the money should be returned, but in this case the bank must also understand the financial condition of the ill-fated man. But how stupid the man was, he just didn't know where to spend that much money to be of use to his life.

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We all see this situation differently, but I really feel sorry for the guy. The idea is that he was hurt because of someone else's mistake. Yes, he's also partly to blame for spending someone else's money, but if it wasn't for the transfer, he wouldn't be in trouble. I sincerely wish him to sort out these problems as soon as possible and get back to a normal life without these crazy debts and jail.

You wont really be making yourself to put into trouble if you hadnt just make use of those funds which isnt yours.Its not really that ethical of been using those funds which is understandable that it was just an accident and it is really just right that you wont really be spending those funds which it isnt yours because if you dont expect something like that where big money comes into your account then its just normal
that you would be thinking that it is someone else money and is it right really right for you to gambler those funds just because they had mistakenly sent it out into your account?
Of course not and now you would really be experiencing the consequences of the actions that you had made out.

Of all the numerous ways he could have made some profit for himself he chose gambling which is a high probability option for a fund that was mistakenly sent to his account which shows high level of irresponsibility. If the story was that he invested in crypto and the market crashed it would have been considerable. At list chances are if the market turns bullish again he will make some profit both for himself and pay back without stress.

What makes you think that the bank and the government will consider it? That fund was already allocated to help the people in that town and I don't think that they have the luxury to wait for the market to recover again before they can get some help because that said fund is needed to be distributed at the allocated time.
Whatever the reason is, it is still inappropriate to waste that allocated fund especially if it doesn't belong to him in the first place.

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That is also possible, right? But I don't think he forgot the risks entailed with it and now he should be jailed for the money that was spent in gambling activities. He should just ask the bank directly about the money that was mistakenly sent to his account rather than just throwing his life because of what the did. It's also unfortunate for that bank teller who made the mistake and I believe he/she was already jobless now.

I'm sure he knows that risk and due to his gambling problem he take that risk and gamble all the money till he losses everything,

In terms of the teller, Not sure if he/she should be sanctions since he just processing the transfer and it's the senders mistake

both sides are the liable with this and not the bank, my personal take though. Bank serves as medium for transaction and

tellers are just processing the request between sender and receiver.

So who should be blamed in the bank's side? I'm pretty sure that they are looking in their side who would take the blame so that the bank won't be heavily blamed and it will result in a human error. About the man who gambled the funds, I'm sure he's now getting dumped in the prison and who knows that man is already living in hell because the government is putting pressure on the warden (some instances these will happen).

In this thing, the money cannot process without human confirmation and for sure it is already fired due to having this kind of mistake if this will become a large fund at the same time to the man who gambles there's still a case for him even though he is the one responsible for having the funds to lose but still he has an option to use the funds or to hold because it cames from unknown sources, also now transactions now easily trace with the bank because all of the give our KYC for the verification so they can easily trance it.

Yes, that's for sure! There would be someone in the bank who would take the blame and that's the person who made the mistake, that was the root of the problem why the funds have gone wasted and of course the receiving party will also take the blame because how can he possibly get to gamble all that money that it isn't his in the first place. I also don't think that he doesn't know the technology nowadays, if he gambled it then he should fly across another country so that he can be off the grid but he didn't.

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