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Donnie Nietes To Continue Forward, Reacts To Loss in Ioka Rematch.

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“I lost the fight on points, and I felt that Ioka did not want to try and deliver a knockout win for his fans and was just happy to win the fight on the scorecards,” Nietes told Probellum.com

“I was not able to put as much pressure on Ioka as I would have liked. I was waiting for Ioka to move in and throw his shots, so that I could hit him with my big counters, but it didn’t happen often enough.

"I was defeated but, without question, I can still fight for word titles again.”

So it seems that Nietes is looking forward to continue his boxing career. I don't know if this is a good idea, but only him can answer that. As far as his performance, it seems that Father time has really catch up with the former champion though.

Yes, he is still looking forward to have some fights and if he really that dedicated then it has to happen this year because time is really on his side. I know that he could still do some of it but his words will not sum up on how he moved during the rematch, it just that Ioka has learned that is why the Japanese fighter doesn't throw some punch to have some exchange because Ioka definitely knows that Nietes could still give some good punch.
We will see if Probellum can match someone to the former champion.

Yes, its probably the Ioka has really adjusted and knows how to play Nietes this time, He knows that Nietes will be countering him all night, so what did he do? just one-two punch then go out of the target range of Nietes. And if Donnie tries to go be the aggressive, then Ioka will just turtle up. Anyhow, let's see what will be the next move by this team and his handlers. He says he wanted to continue to fight then so be it.

Aside from that, Ioka also made some more experience after the 1st encounter they had which gave more advantage to Ioka and this time, Ioka is more confident and much smarter just like what we saw recently. If we look on Nietes and Ioka's recent record, the latter did more fights and all those fights has ended on his favor unlike Nietes who only managed to win 1 fight and 1 draw.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 15, 2022, 12:08:23 PM

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Donnie Nietes To Continue Forward, Reacts To Loss in Ioka Rematch.

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“I lost the fight on points, and I felt that Ioka did not want to try and deliver a knockout win for his fans and was just happy to win the fight on the scorecards,” Nietes told Probellum.com

“I was not able to put as much pressure on Ioka as I would have liked. I was waiting for Ioka to move in and throw his shots, so that I could hit him with my big counters, but it didn’t happen often enough.

"I was defeated but, without question, I can still fight for word titles again.”

From Nietes' reaction, it looks like Ioka is the wiser boxer. And he failed to adjust when his expectations did not happen. But kudos to him for accepting the result.

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So it seems that Nietes is looking forward to continue his boxing career. I don't know if this is a good idea, but only him can answer that. As far as his performance, it seems that Father time has really catch up with the former champion though.

Yes, he can still fight, anyone can fight but the question is, can he compete against the prime boxer in his weight class? His performance indeed tells that it would be hard for him to get another title.

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Donnie Nietes To Continue Forward, Reacts To Loss in Ioka Rematch.

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“I lost the fight on points, and I felt that Ioka did not want to try and deliver a knockout win for his fans and was just happy to win the fight on the scorecards,” Nietes told Probellum.com

“I was not able to put as much pressure on Ioka as I would have liked. I was waiting for Ioka to move in and throw his shots, so that I could hit him with my big counters, but it didn’t happen often enough.

"I was defeated but, without question, I can still fight for word titles again.”

So it seems that Nietes is looking forward to continue his boxing career. I don't know if this is a good idea, but only him can answer that. As far as his performance, it seems that Father time has really catch up with the former champion though.

Yes, he is still looking forward to have some fights and if he really that dedicated then it has to happen this year because time is really on his side. I know that he could still do some of it but his words will not sum up on how he moved during the rematch, it just that Ioka has learned that is why the Japanese fighter doesn't throw some punch to have some exchange because Ioka definitely knows that Nietes could still give some good punch.
We will see if Probellum can match someone to the former champion.

Yes, its probably the Ioka has really adjusted and knows how to play Nietes this time, He knows that Nietes will be countering him all night, so what did he do? just one-two punch then go out of the target range of Nietes. And if Donnie tries to go be the aggressive, then Ioka will just turtle up. Anyhow, let's see what will be the next move by this team and his handlers. He says he wanted to continue to fight then so be it.

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I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

He needs to fight the same way with a calm and confident strategy. He knows and understands that aggressiveness can bring his opponent down. He will wait for that kind of mistake that Ioka will attempt. I still believe that even in his age, he still has that capability to stand still and make sure that he will have to accomplish and try winning this fight again.

I also think about bias judging if the fight will show close. Nietes needs to consider it and not to allow that to happen.

What happens is that Ioka has a lot of experience, he knows what to do at the right time, he also knows himself very well as he is, his body, his abilities and how far he can go, he will not overexert himself because he knows he would not achieve anything, he just perhaps an injury, and that is not pleasant at all, I think Nietes knows that, for me the fight will be more complicated on Nietes' part, because for me the only way I can win is if I read all of Ioka's movements, And that is something that is very difficult, even for Ioka with the experience he has, I see it difficult for Nietes, the experience is sometimes an additional factor that plays against.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 15, 2022, 12:08:23 PM

Before the OP lock the thread:

Donnie Nietes To Continue Forward, Reacts To Loss in Ioka Rematch.

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“I lost the fight on points, and I felt that Ioka did not want to try and deliver a knockout win for his fans and was just happy to win the fight on the scorecards,” Nietes told Probellum.com

“I was not able to put as much pressure on Ioka as I would have liked. I was waiting for Ioka to move in and throw his shots, so that I could hit him with my big counters, but it didn’t happen often enough.

"I was defeated but, without question, I can still fight for word titles again.”

So it seems that Nietes is looking forward to continue his boxing career. I don't know if this is a good idea, but only him can answer that. As far as his performance, it seems that Father time has really catch up with the former champion though.

Yes, he is still looking forward to have some fights and if he really that dedicated then it has to happen this year because time is really on his side. I know that he could still do some of it but his words will not sum up on how he moved during the rematch, it just that Ioka has learned that is why the Japanese fighter doesn't throw some punch to have some exchange because Ioka definitely knows that Nietes could still give some good punch.
We will see if Probellum can match someone to the former champion.

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Before the OP lock the thread:

Donnie Nietes To Continue Forward, Reacts To Loss in Ioka Rematch.

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“I lost the fight on points, and I felt that Ioka did not want to try and deliver a knockout win for his fans and was just happy to win the fight on the scorecards,” Nietes told Probellum.com

“I was not able to put as much pressure on Ioka as I would have liked. I was waiting for Ioka to move in and throw his shots, so that I could hit him with my big counters, but it didn’t happen often enough.

"I was defeated but, without question, I can still fight for word titles again.”

So it seems that Nietes is looking forward to continue his boxing career. I don't know if this is a good idea, but only him can answer that. As far as his performance, it seems that Father time has really catch up with the former champion though.

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I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

I don't know about this but I like to believe that Nietes would not lose in this fight if he is not old, at his age now, I think Ioka will bounce back and beat him. Losing a split decision means the fight is very competitive, so now Kazuto Ioka has the edge due to his age and he is more active than Nietes I think.

Yes. I also think that prime Nietes will beat a prime Ioka. Both are the same 4 division champions and are future Hall of Famers. They nearly have the same styles too. They're both smart, technical, patient, and armed with excellent jabs. I just believe that prime Nietes is just slightly better.

Back to reality. Ioka has a clear edge in this coming rematch. I don't think Nietes has the power to knockout Ioka and his age makes the mission becoming nearly impossible.

Yes, no doubt! Nietes will indeed beat badly Ioka if they were both seating at the peak of their respective prime, Nietes wouldn't be the longest champion if he's not that strong enough to defend the belt every time had a fight. But that is all in the past because if we look closely at the situation now, lots have already changed and we can already say that Nietes is on the wrong side in this fight because Ioka is much younger and definitely have more edge to win in this rematch.

But his journey now has ended, not officially though but the way he fought tells us that he is already aging. Nietes is not an aggressive fighter, he is more of a technical fighter but we can see that his power is not strong enough to hurt Ioka in this fight.

There's no official statement yet that he will retire from boxing, but most likely, he would retire soon if not this year. He still have a good record but that is only a record to keep because we already saw his limitation and he could not beat the young fighters anymore.

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I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

I don't know about this but I like to believe that Nietes would not lose in this fight if he is not old, at his age now, I think Ioka will bounce back and beat him. Losing a split decision means the fight is very competitive, so now Kazuto Ioka has the edge due to his age and he is more active than Nietes I think.

Yes. I also think that prime Nietes will beat a prime Ioka. Both are the same 4 division champions and are future Hall of Famers. They nearly have the same styles too. They're both smart, technical, patient, and armed with excellent jabs. I just believe that prime Nietes is just slightly better.

Back to reality. Ioka has a clear edge in this coming rematch. I don't think Nietes has the power to knockout Ioka and his age makes the mission becoming nearly impossible.

Yes, no doubt! Nietes will indeed beat badly Ioka if they were both seating at the peak of their respective prime, Nietes wouldn't be the longest champion if he's not that strong enough to defend the belt every time had a fight. But that is all in the past because if we look closely at the situation now, lots have already changed and we can already say that Nietes is on the wrong side in this fight because Ioka is much younger and definitely have more edge to win in this rematch.

But his journey now has ended, not officially though but the way he fought tells us that he is already aging. Nietes is not an aggressive fighter, he is more of a technical fighter but we can see that his power is not strong enough to hurt Ioka in this fight.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 11, 2022, 10:00:19 AM

Quote from: mirakal on July 11, 2022, 07:37:36 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on July 11, 2022, 07:17:53 AM

I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

I don't know about this but I like to believe that Nietes would not lose in this fight if he is not old, at his age now, I think Ioka will bounce back and beat him. Losing a split decision means the fight is very competitive, so now Kazuto Ioka has the edge due to his age and he is more active than Nietes I think.

Yes. I also think that prime Nietes will beat a prime Ioka. Both are the same 4 division champions and are future Hall of Famers. They nearly have the same styles too. They're both smart, technical, patient, and armed with excellent jabs. I just believe that prime Nietes is just slightly better.

Back to reality. Ioka has a clear edge in this coming rematch. I don't think Nietes has the power to knockout Ioka and his age makes the mission becoming nearly impossible.

Yes, no doubt! Nietes will indeed beat badly Ioka if they were both seating at the peak of their respective prime, Nietes wouldn't be the longest champion if he's not that strong enough to defend the belt every time had a fight. But that is all in the past because if we look closely at the situation now, lots have already changed and we can already say that Nietes is on the wrong side in this fight because Ioka is much younger and definitely have more edge to win in this rematch.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 14, 2022, 07:48:07 AM

I think Casimero is now the best fighter in the Philippines, if only his title was not stripped, he could fight Inoue and we will see how far Inoue could go against him. I believe that Casimero will become a champion soon, and we will have a Filipino champion to follow again.

I'm not sure about that. He is having a problem maintaining his shape and weight, NOT ONCE but TWICE.

He is given enough time to work on that but still, he failed to deliver it successfully prior to the rescheduled date of his title defense against Butler. If he doesn't have that condition, I will agree that Casimero might be the strongest and currently the best fighter in the Philippines.

Naoya Inoue is a big thing and he won't be called a monster for no reason. He is 100% always in shape every time he fights. Casimero will just be a punching bag for Inoue if the former can't do something about his weight problems. Inoue is much quicker than Casimero while having a destructive punch at the same time.

Off-topic now and OP can now lock this thread.

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Boxing fighters is like wrestling fighters there's no difference between boxing fighters..

I disagree with that, Boxing and wrestling as a sport are completely different in the sense that Boxing is real competition while wrestling is scripted or just like an acting job to entertain people. It's not a real competition compared to boxing where we have a world champions.

There is a wrestling competition. Don't misunderstand WWE as a competitive sport. WWE is just an entertainment program that is why it is scripted. But wrestling is actually a sport. you can find its history here[1]

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Wrestling probably originated in hand-to-hand combat, and in particular as a sportive form of combat substituting the submission of a contestant for his death. Works of art from 3000 bce depict belt wrestling in Babylonia and Egypt, and the Sumerian Gilgamesh epic has a description of such wrestling.

If you are confused, wrestling is also an Olympic sports event. You can check this site[2] for more information.

So basically what dataispower stated is true, both sports, boxing and wrestling is greatly affected by age just like what happen in the recent fight of Nietes.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/sports/wrestling
[2] https://www.nbcolympics.com/wrestling

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I think Casimero will rise more to fame but his arrogance is what he's proud of when he goes into that boxing ring. If we compare it to Nietes and Pacquiao that's totally the opposite. I think if Nietes lost this match, he'd be happily wants to retire with contention.

He should be more careful on his career now and by the way he speak. If he's aiming to be of the same greatness with these great boxers during his time, he really need to humble down and also avoid talking too much but showing more his strength during the fight. Although he's really got something to boast for.

Tough loss but still proud of what he did there in the ring, he's still a champion in our hearts as a Filipino. Ioka was just a beast and still in his prime.

I don't know if he's that careful but just can't get enough on that arrogance, historically that doesn't end well for who have done it in the past. Still love those boxers that aren't arrogant yet won't back out when they're stepping that ring, they're the respectable professionals.

Yeah, those boxers that have a humble heart, they're likely to get more fans and love from the people. But if that's how they talk to their opponents, maybe there's something else.
We don't know them yet personally and I think that they're different in real lives when you deal with them face to face and that would make us think differently.

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Quote from: Maslate on July 14, 2022, 11:11:35 AM

Quote from: dataispower on July 14, 2022, 07:54:19 AM

Boxing fighters is like wrestling fighters there's no difference between boxing fighters..

I disagree with that, Boxing and wrestling as a sport are completely different in the sense that Boxing is real competition while wrestling is scripted or just like an acting job to entertain people. It's not a real competition compared to boxing where we have a world champions.

Yes, they're completely different.

They could be both athletes but the sports itself are entirely not the same so how could you say that there's no difference between them? Boxing is more crucial while in wrestling, if it's the typical sport and entertainment that we watch, then you know that there's the acting thing on it.

In boxing, you really see those knockouts for real and with long trainings before the match, that's how they put dedication on it.

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Quote from: Jating on July 14, 2022, 02:22:03 PM

While Donaire to a young monster and then Magsayo fell short because his talent seems to be raw.

As for Nietes, same case with Donaire, old and aging champion that wanted to bring back the time. But Ioka was the better fighter. He is at his prime and Nietes has no answer when the bell rings. And there was no controversy, as he lost badly, but during his prime, he is one of the PH best.

Both Nietes and Donaire are fighters who continue to try their best to bring the glory of our country they are both aging and even they think that they can still fight and can still win, against the younger and in prime fighters it really a tough one to survive, good thing for Nietes he stand still and did manage to exchange some punches,

unlike with Donaire, the young monster is up into business. Inoue didn't give him enough space to recover.

that monster really makes sure that he won't be suffered by any solid combination of Donaire the way he was from the first time they've met.

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Quote from: Jating on July 14, 2022, 02:22:03 PM

Well, that's boxing though, sometimes you lose, in the case of Casimero, he lost his belt on the weighing scale. While Donaire to a young monster and then Magsayo fell short because his talent seems to be raw.

As for Nietes, same case with Donaire, old and aging champion that wanted to bring back the time. But Ioka was the better fighter. He is at his prime and Nietes has no answer when the bell rings. And there was no controversy, as he lost badly, but during his prime, he is one of the PH best.

So another great Filipino boxer needs to hang his gloves permanently again. It was obvious that age does affect Nietes fight. I have seen his previous fight and I was like, this wasn't Nietes years ago. So I thought that his opponent will win this time and it does.

Quote from: mirakal on July 14, 2022, 05:04:49 PM

Casimero could've gotten far if not because of his weight issues and we could see how would Casimero and Inoue perform when these two classic boxers share a ring but we didn't got the chance because Casimero was stripped even before he got a chance to step foot on the ring.

I blame this incident on Casimiro's camp. They are responsible for the boxer's diet. They should have known better. If only Casimo has not been stripped of the title, I so love to see how he will fare against Inuoe but it looks like it is wishful thinking now.

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Casimero and Ancajas are now the bright prospects of bringing glory to the PH in the world of boxing.

I think Casimero is now the best fighter in the Philippines, if only his title was not stripped, he could fight Inoue and we will see how far Inoue could go against him. I believe that Casimero will become a champion soon, and we will have a Filipino champion to follow again.

Filipino boxers are so unlucky this year.

Casimero
Magsayo
Donaire.

They all lose their title this year.

Well, that's boxing though, sometimes you lose, in the case of Casimero, he lost his belt on the weighing scale. While Donaire to a young monster and then Magsayo fell short because his talent seems to be raw.

As for Nietes, same case with Donaire, old and aging champion that wanted to bring back the time. But Ioka was the better fighter. He is at his prime and Nietes has no answer when the bell rings. And there was no controversy, as he lost badly, but during his prime, he is one of the PH best.

Casimero could've gotten far if not because of his weight issues and we could see how would Casimero and Inoue perform when these two classic boxers share a ring but we didn't got the chance because Casimero was stripped even before he got a chance to step foot on the ring.
The thing is that Casimero's enemy is his own self because his weight disables and brings obstruction to his past few fights.
I'm afraid that his only choice is to step up to the next division and that he needs to make a decision this year too because time is not on his side as he's not getting any younger.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 14, 2022, 07:48:07 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 14, 2022, 06:23:53 AM

Casimero and Ancajas are now the bright prospects of bringing glory to the PH in the world of boxing.

I think Casimero is now the best fighter in the Philippines, if only his title was not stripped, he could fight Inoue and we will see how far Inoue could go against him. I believe that Casimero will become a champion soon, and we will have a Filipino champion to follow again.

Filipino boxers are so unlucky this year.

Casimero
Magsayo
Donaire.

They all lose their title this year.

Well, that's boxing though, sometimes you lose, in the case of Casimero, he lost his belt on the weighing scale. While Donaire to a young monster and then Magsayo fell short because his talent seems to be raw.

As for Nietes, same case with Donaire, old and aging champion that wanted to bring back the time. But Ioka was the better fighter. He is at his prime and Nietes has no answer when the bell rings. And there was no controversy, as he lost badly, but during his prime, he is one of the PH best.

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Quote from: dataispower on July 14, 2022, 07:54:19 AM

Boxing fighters is like wrestling fighters there's no difference between boxing fighters..

I disagree with that, Boxing and wrestling as a sport are completely different in the sense that Boxing is real competition while wrestling is scripted or just like an acting job to entertain people. It's not a real competition compared to boxing where we have a world champions.

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Quote from: tabas on July 13, 2022, 05:20:55 PM

Well, that's a lose for Nietes there.

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I think Casimero will rise more to fame but his arrogance is what he's proud of when he goes into that boxing ring. If we compare it to Nietes and Pacquiao that's totally the opposite. I think if Nietes lost this match, he'd be happily wants to retire with contention.

He should be more careful on his career now and by the way he speak. If he's aiming to be of the same greatness with these great boxers during his time, he really need to humble down and also avoid talking too much but showing more his strength during the fight. Although he's really got something to boast for.

although from my own understanding of boxing gambling I understand that some of the noise and statement they all that before but is to scare their counterpart or their opponents away because they feel like that making much speech will bring or make some of people who they will feature it him will be afraid to fight him. Boxing fighters is like wrestling fighters there's no difference between boxing fighters and terrestrial fighters both make such statements before fight and that trigger their anger and happiness of their fans but that is not the end points of the fight, the end point is who win and where is the money going to or belong to.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 14, 2022, 06:23:53 AM

Casimero and Ancajas are now the bright prospects of bringing glory to the PH in the world of boxing.

I think Casimero is now the best fighter in the Philippines, if only his title was not stripped, he could fight Inoue and we will see how far Inoue could go against him. I believe that Casimero will become a champion soon, and we will have a Filipino champion to follow again.

Filipino boxers are so unlucky this year.

Casimero
Magsayo
Donaire.

They all lose their title this year.

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