Topic: Kazuto Ioka vs Donnie Nietes II - page 5. (Read 1308 times)

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

And in that lost, Angky was over the limit, so it's not a fair fight.

Anyhow, his names should have been cemented in Filipino boxing already, and so with the other great boxers of his generation. And this winning this fight will be something extra for the great Nietes.

For the boxing fans in the whole world, of course Donnie Nietes does not really ring a bell into their ears but for the boxing fans in the Philippines, I'm certain that Nietes is well supported and not a sort of an underrated boxer. And he will be viewed as a champion with the likes of Donaire and Pacquiao, it's just Pacquiao was really on different league, no one could argue that.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 08, 2022, 04:06:27 AM

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

I think the reason why he isn't as popular as Manny and Nonito is the quality of his opponent. Boxing popularity isn't about boxing statistics only. Donaire and Pacquiao face tough opponents not to say many of them are quite popular too. I think we can blame Nietes promoter for that.

Anyway, it looks like another legendary Filipino boxer is about to hang his gloves, it sad to think that there isn't much younger boxer that can continue our legendary boxers legacy. It feels like our boxing sports continue to decline after the era of Pacquiao , Donaire, Nietez.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

Brian Villoria's fame easily decline, I guess his most famous wins is just a fluke though. Looking at his statistics, all his winnings are coming from not-so-good stats boxers, and his losses is when he met a quality one.

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I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

There's no reason to be anxious because Nietes may not knock Ioka out (Nietes also don't have pretty KO ratio) but it's already safe to say that he will give his best when it comes to landing solid punches that will give him pretty scores compared to Ioka. The latter is much younger but their gap is not that far and this is a rematch so Nietes already know Ioka's sleeve and what he could bring this time. Nietes have also prepared well considering his age but his still rip without traces that he's already 40 years old.

7 years age gap considering that Ioka is 33 years old which i could say that it does have some effect though but we know that Nietes had beaten him up on their first fight but somewhat does have
that split decision but still a win and that was on year 2018 which is 4 years ago. Did Ioka made out some changes? For sure he must but Nietes should really be still careful because he's not young
anymore even though he do give out solid punches but not that powerful. They would be surely fighting in terms of points? I dont see any knockouts on here and would still assume
out that it would be most likely in the same on their first fight.

Well, if Ioka managed to have some changes for improvement then I'm also sure that Nietes have also done some improvement for himself. It's been almost 4 years since these two boxers have faced in the same ring, this could be a revenge for Ioka to settle the score if he can pull a win and this could also be for Nietes to settle a 2-0 bout. Nevertheless, both of them will come prepared on the day of their fight and it will be a toe-toe-toe fight for sure.

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it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

And in that lost, Angky was over the limit, so it's not a fair fight.

Anyhow, his names should have been cemented in Filipino boxing already, and so with the other great boxers of his generation. And this winning this fight will be something extra for the great Nietes.

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He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

Whenever you do make yourself or plans to be popular then you should really strive to be more better on the current reigning via getting more belts on different divisions which MP do able to attain o reach on thats why its not surprising that boxing fans would really able to recognize such achievement specially into its fellow country mean which been proud of.I do agree that he's somewhat that unlucky that he had been fighting or building up his career on the time these two are being recognized.It would really be surely cover you up or you wont really be getting any attention
or does have less compared into those two but in overall career performance and numbers then just like what others said that it wasnt really a bad run if ever he would decide
to retire.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 05, 2022, 01:09:01 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

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it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

I still trust him, he might be old but he is very consistent, so there's no reason to fear that we might lose our bet here, besides, if in case he lose, I'm sure it will be a hard fought and Ioka will not easily win.