Topic: Kazuto Ioka vs Donnie Nietes II - page 3. (Read 1308 times)

How about Ioka vs Chocolatito? There is a good and interesting article by by Cliff Rold:


https://www.boxingscene.com/timing-right-chocolatito-ioka--167629

What do you guys think of this fight? Yeah, maybe two old warriors but I guess it's not too late to see this two in the ring? Or even those guys mentioned in the article?

We can understand that because Nietes is already old, I think his career in boxing is already over, he should have already retired and enjoyed his life after boxing.
His performance has a big decline compared to his past performances, so it's time to stop boxing professionally.


I like to see this one, I guess think Ancajas can easily beat Ioka.

IMO, Ioka is not that good in terms of skill, he won yesterday's fight because of Nietes' declined performance-wise.

Ioka is very beatable and if the rematch took place months after the first fight, the result could have been the same as the first fight.

In fairness to Ioka, he deserved that win because of his aggressiveness and being relentless in throwing anything he has last night  .

Looking forward to the match between Ancajas and Ioka, this could be exciting because we all know how skillful Ancajas is and for sure he would bounce back from that unexpected defeat.

Casimero and Ancajas are now the bright prospects of bringing glory to the PH in the world of boxing.

Really tough times for Ph professional boxing. Because last year was its golden age in amateur boxing and in overall sports in general achieving gold, silver, and bronze medals in the Olympics.

I think Donaire, Pacman, and Nietes are done simply because they are too old to compete in this hurting sport. I am banking on former world champions, Casimero, Tapales, Ancajas, Cuarto and Taduran in order. They are experienced at the world level and were former champions, especially Casimero already a 3 division champion. Taduran and Cuarto are very talented in their division but if they keep on fighting in enemy territories then they will be easily exploited by bad officiating.

I don't have much confidence in Magsayo because he's too raw. In all his last fights in the US, he actually struggled against cherry-picked opponents. Thanks to his punching power, he barely escaped defeats although still wild with no proper setups. He also became a world champion because Russell Jr.'s other hand was injured plus his long inactivity. Magsayo's punching power nearly saved him again from Vargas but came up short due to his lack of boxing technique he failed to capitalize on some moments where Vargas was visibly hurt. I really hope that he can execute Freddie Roach's game plan in his next fight.

As for Nietes. Hope he retires and enjoys the fruits of his hard labor. And for Ioka. I want to see him unify the belts. The division is filled with very good names like El Gallo, Chocolatito, the new kid in town Bam Rodriguez, and Ancajas.  

Nietes did his best but the Japanese is really superior and he did improved a lot during their last fight. And with that huge gap in the score, it was a total disaster for a come backing Nietes, he should have remain semi-retired. Anyhow, the future still looks bright for Filipino boxing, maybe there could be one that they will discover again and maybe be the next Manny, or Ahas or Filipino Flash that will carry the flag for them. The've been successful though in the Olympic boxing and winning medals so I guess it could be a consolidation for a disaster 2022.

Yeah, it seems this is a bad omen year for Philippine boxing as one by one the champions have been defeated and there are 0 Filipinos who hold a belt now.

Jerwin Ancajas as well if I'm not mistaken lost his belt this year.

Anyhow, I have no doubt that there will be a set of boxers that will follow Pacquiao, Nietes and Donaire again.

Agreed!
Clearly a 1 sided fight. Ioka came up well prepared and studied the tape from the 1st fight. That's the reason why Nietes had a very limited moves and he is less aggressive.
Now, this could be an indicator for him to hang his gloves. Though he could still have 1 or 2 more fight to try and win some more fights, but I think he's done enough and clearly father time is calling him.
Time to rest, he's already cemented his legacy as one of the best Filipino boxer.

Tough loss but still proud of what he did there in the ring, he's still a champion in our hearts as a Filipino. Ioka was just a beast and still in his prime.

I don't know if he's that careful but just can't get enough on that arrogance, historically that doesn't end well for who have done it in the past. Still love those boxers that aren't arrogant yet won't back out when they're stepping that ring, they're the respectable professionals.

The scores are very gap. The fight was clearly dominated by the Japanese fighter. Nietes really struggles but can't believe he still remains standing to the last round even though Ioka is aggressively trying and attempting to take him down at any cost.

Ioka is the clear winner and congrats to him. Big respect.

Nietes doesn't have to think too much of this loss. He did his best and will remember in PH boxing history.

Tough year for Philippine boxing. The chance of getting another world title now vanished.

Now what, we don't have any possible match for the title match right? Our boxers should now line up again for the title shot.

Nonito Donaire, who loses the WBC bantamweight doesn't have any chance now for the title
Rene Mark Cuarto, who loses the IBF minimumweight title has to be lined up again
John Riel Casimero, who loses his WBO bantamweight title by default because of weight issues, the future is not clear
Mark Magsayo, who loses the WBC featherweight might not get a rematch for the title and have to line up too
Donnie Nietes, who loses recently, might hang his gloves now

Did I miss someone?

When will PH have again another world titleholder? That's the question.

I just knew that Ioka will end by unanimous decision the fight was close in the early then the middle and the latter rounds Ioka dominate the fight if you're a challenger and you're fighting in the champion's territory you have to dominate the fight just like what Haney did against Kambosos, but I'm still proud of Nietes he did not go down without a fight, but his glory days are over and he will be in the list of great Filipino champion.

there are fighters who are very stubborn and don't like to retire while they are still invincible or at least have a very small number of defeats, in this case for example it would have been much more advantageous if Nietes had retired and not fought, now he lost , and lost to a younger fighter who attacked him throughout the fight, that is, Nietes lost in a convincing way, this has to serve as an example for him that his age is no longer enough to keep fighting. the body gets tired with age, the movements become slower and then the person gets tired faster

The thing is, Casimero has to start from scratch, because he didn't lose his belt inside the ring, instead he can't make the weight for his fight. So his handlers might fight it hard for him if even the organization that he hold the belt, WBO will not give him a change to fight the champion.

So you can't blame if he can't get a decent fight the soonest because of bad decision this year. He can get a fight maybe next year but it will be to some unknown fighter first and then build his way up.

Yeah, I didn't finished the fight because it's clearly that the Japanese is dominating the fight from the very beginning.

Scores of 120-108, 118-110 and 117-111 were in favor of Ioka. Nietes counter was not enough, as the Japanese was the aggressor. So Ioka has avenge his lost and it seems that Nietes age has shown in this fight and better be hanging the gloves for good.

Casimero is still in the prime of his career, and he is the next best hope of Philippine boxing, his promoters should set him up for a title shot if the Inoue will not push through, its better for Casimero to make a bid in a higher weight category, he did mention that he is having a hard time losing weight, the biggest proof is his preparation for the Butler fight.

Casimero has fought and beaten some of the tough champions in his campaign like Tete, and he is always dangerous his promoters and his team should focus on motivating him to focus on his career.

I dont have any doubts on casimero in terms of capability or the way he fights which i could say that he had really having that potential on next to MP but its true that his arrogance
and shitty things that had been done on this career is never been appealing on boxing fans or even into his fellow countrymen. For Nietes then its not really bad on considering
on having a retirement after this match.He's already 40 whether he would win or lose this one then not really bad to consider on making up such decision but
if we do speak about on whose gonna win this one then i would still choose Nietes over Ioka.

Well, that's a lose for Nietes there.

He should be more careful on his career now and by the way he speak. If he's aiming to be of the same greatness with these great boxers during his time, he really need to humble down and also avoid talking too much but showing more his strength during the fight. Although he's really got something to boast for.

I think Casimero will rise more to fame but his arrogance is what he's proud of when he goes into that boxing ring. If we compare it to Nietes and Pacquiao that's totally the opposite. I think if Nietes lost this match, he'd be happily wants to retire with contention.

Nietes is already 40 years old he should retire he has done a lot in Philippine boxing its time for him to enjoy his retirement, this is one of the times that no Pinoy boxing world champion, but still Pinoys are great boxers and will always contention to
 any weight category I'm sure many new boxers will rise, its not the end of Pinoy boxing after Pacquiao retires, right now the Philippine's big ace is none other than Casimero, I hope he takes up the challenge to put another Pinoy boxing world champion again and takes his career seriously.

Not a good year, and maybe its time now to look for a younger boxer and challenge the world boxing again. Nietes still did a great job though, we saw him still fighting despite of the big lead of Ioka. Filipino boxer should not be demotivated, they should rise again. This might be the last fight of Nietes according to the rumors, but hopefully not true.