Kazuto Ioka vs Donnie Nietes II - page 6.

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Quote from: virasisog on July 07, 2022, 10:13:49 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on July 06, 2022, 06:45:15 AM

In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.

It seems like this year isn't for Filipinos but it's a good thing that there are still champions who are raising their flag. Nietes has been one of the strongest boxers in the Philippines and despite his age, I guess he would create a strong impact on the ring before he retires. He's still eager to win back the belt after being inactive. I guess he will be a big challenge for loka again.

We will expect that he will try his best to win this fight, Not sure about his speed as even legendary Pacman admits that only the mind can do things, but the body is no longer synching with what he wanted to do, cramps and other signs of aging might trigger while inside the ring, Young Ioka will be fighting in front of his home crowd which gives him more confidence to attack, It's Nietes strategy to hold on his ground and fight back solidly, he's not a KO orchestrator but he got the patience that might still give him the upper hand.

Let see if how he will execute and try to throw more score punches and avoid losing his feet and be knocked down by Ioka.

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Quote from: aioc on July 07, 2022, 09:13:13 AM

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This is a rematch between two 4-division champions, WBO champion Kazuto Ioka defending against its former holder and nemesis, Donnie Nietes. The first match happened more 3 years ago in Macau for then vacant WBO super flyweight strap. Though Donnie Nietes won clearly, the scorecards made it a split decision. Donnie Nietes then became inactive and many thought he was actually retired because he was already 37 years old that time. The WBO decided to declare the belt vacant. Kazuto Ioka managed to win the belt and is holding it strong with 4 successful defenses.

The difference in this rematch is that 33-year old Ioka is now the defending champion. Nietes is now 40 years of age. And Ioka will defend his belt in his home turf in Japan.

Kazuto Ioka win-loss record: 28-2-15 KOs
Donnie Niete's win-loss record: 43-1-23 KOs

Both fighters want to prove something here Ioka that he is the new real champion and he wants to prove it by taking it away from Nietes, and Nietes to prove that he still has it, the first match is controversial this fight is to resolve who wins in their first match, there's also a possibility of a trilogy, depending on who will win and the quality of fight that they are going to give to the boxing community.

Old but gold in their age now it's nice to see a fight between these two old veteran fighters, as we all know that kazuto Loka will defend his belt against the Filipino boxer Donnie Ahad Neites a watch for the vacant position from their division. as I fell in this fight it's a big advantage for Loka as he has a belt that he needs to protect with. But in the side of Donnie has nietes he want to be a winner of this fight and claim the belt.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 06, 2022, 06:45:15 AM

In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.

It seems like this year isn't for Filipinos but it's a good thing that there are still champions who are raising their flag. Nietes has been one of the strongest boxers in the Philippines and despite his age, I guess he would create a strong impact on the ring before he retires. He's still eager to win back the belt after being inactive. I guess he will be a big challenge for loka again.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 02, 2022, 03:55:05 AM

This is a rematch between two 4-division champions, WBO champion Kazuto Ioka defending against its former holder and nemesis, Donnie Nietes. The first match happened more 3 years ago in Macau for then vacant WBO super flyweight strap. Though Donnie Nietes won clearly, the scorecards made it a split decision. Donnie Nietes then became inactive and many thought he was actually retired because he was already 37 years old that time. The WBO decided to declare the belt vacant. Kazuto Ioka managed to win the belt and is holding it strong with 4 successful defenses.

The difference in this rematch is that 33-year old Ioka is now the defending champion. Nietes is now 40 years of age. And Ioka will defend his belt in his home turf in Japan.

Kazuto Ioka win-loss record: 28-2-15 KOs
Donnie Nietes win-loss record: 43-1-23 KOs

Both fighters want to prove something here Ioka that he is the new real champion and he wants to prove it by taking it away from Nietes, and Nietes to prove that he still has it, the first match is controversial this fight is to resolve who really wins in their first match, there's also a possibility of a trilogy, depending on who will win and the quality of fight that they are going to give to the boxing community.

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Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

Nothing to be ashamed if he hang his gloves if he losses this one. Yes, that record alone is hard to break and that could stand still as the record for Filipino boxers for a long time.

I'm not sure if we can call it trust, but we believed that he may have his last performance and after this one, he may have to evaluate, with him and his family if he wanted to continue or not.

a champ in 4 division is not easy to achieved. though his technique is impressive, most of his fights are boring specially when it ends in decisions. he is named "ahas" because he used to move sideways to be behind his opponent. we don't see him doing this anymore. his age must have been a reason which the rematch may likely end differently this time against the younger Kazuto. i watched the previous fight, looks very even.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 05, 2022, 01:06:19 AM

Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

Nothing to be ashamed if he hang his gloves if he losses this one. Yes, that record alone is hard to break and that could stand still as the record for Filipino boxers for a long time.

I'm not sure if we can call it trust, but we believed that he may have his last performance and after this one, he may have to evaluate, with him and his family if he wanted to continue or not.

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Quote from: harizen on July 06, 2022, 06:50:42 PM

Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Good decision to retire if Nietes will lose this one. After all his boxing career will be cemented on PH history and possibly, a future Hall of Famer. I even think he's already done in boxing after being not active in the ring for long. Don't know what came up to his mind and decided to return and his comeback was impressive as that was all a win for him.

If Nietes will lose here, I don't think that's because of age but Ioka just improved over time. The feeling of getting revenge also plays a big role as that will boost their determination to win especially since Ioka is in Japan and that's good timing to get that revenge.

About just a week to go, we will now see them clashing at each other.

Yes, he has cemented his legacy already, the longest Filipino champion and he could also be a future HOF. If he loses then there is nothing to proved, he had done everything. Maybe he could be a good trainer because he has been there.

And hopefully, he has save enough money for his family. He didn't get that huge amount as compare to his compatriot, Pacquiao and Donaire. So it will be good if he has manage his finances well as he is nearing his retirement.

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Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Good decision to retire if Nietes will lose this one. After all his boxing career will be cemented on PH history and possibly, a future Hall of Famer. I even think he's already done in boxing after being not active in the ring for long. Don't know what came up to his mind and decided to return and his comeback was impressive as that was all a win for him.

If Nietes will lose here, I don't think that's because of age but Ioka just improved over time. The feeling of getting revenge also plays a big role as that will boost their determination to win especially since Ioka is in Japan and that's good timing to get that revenge.

About just a week to go, we will now see them clashing at each other.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on July 03, 2022, 05:53:01 PM

Even if Ioka has the home court advantage, I don't think that will be big factor on this match.
Japanese have good reputation when it comes to honesty, so I don't worry about being cheated here.

That thing should not always be associated with cheating. Why are you involving the cheating right away?

That's not the issue but obviously, playing in the home arena will give a boost of confidence to the home boxer and somehow distracts the visiting opponent. You also have to remember that Ioka successfully defends his title multiple times before this match against Nietes making him a much-improved boxer, especially in front of his fellow countrymen.

Aside from that, it's a big factor too since Nietes is now catching the father time. If only Nietes is still in his prime, I might not consider the homecourt as an advantage to Ioka as for a prime boxer, they can manage the distraction even if the crowd is against them.

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Quote from: Jating on July 06, 2022, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on July 06, 2022, 06:45:15 AM

In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.

True, we all know that it's going to be very tough for Nietes. Maybe he has that in mind, to keep at least one Filipino champion if he wins against the Japanese.

The thing is that he has beaten Ioka before and that might be a good reason for him even at age 40 to think that he can still do it and get the title back. So we will see, the old dogs of Filipino boxing is now retired (Pacquiao, Donaire), and he is the only one remaining.

Or the opposite may happen, Ioka will get his "revenge" over Nietes.
But in any case, we hope to see a toe-to-toe fight and not a runaway one.
Filipinos are known inside the boxing ring, so let's see if Nietes can give such honor to his fellow Filipinos.
And that's right, Magsayo is also one of the Filipino boxers to watch out for, now that Pacquiao or Donaire is out.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 06, 2022, 06:45:15 AM

In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.

True, we all know that it's going to be very tough for Nietes. Maybe he has that in mind, to keep at least one Filipino champion if he wins against the Japanese.

The thing is that he has beaten Ioka before and that might be a good reason for him even at age 40 to think that he can still do it and get the title back. So we will see, the old dogs of Filipino boxing is now retired (Pacquiao, Donaire), and he is the only one remaining.

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I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

There's no reason to be anxious because Nietes may not knock Ioka out (Nietes also don't have pretty KO ratio) but it's already safe to say that he will give his best when it comes to landing solid punches that will give him pretty scores compared to Ioka. The latter is much younger but their gap is not that far and this is a rematch so Nietes already know Ioka's sleeve and what he could bring this time. Nietes have also prepared well considering his age but his still rip without traces that he's already 40 years old.

7 years age gap considering that Ioka is 33 years old which i could say that it does have some effect though but we know that Nietes had beaten him up on their first fight but somewhat does have
that split decision but still a win and that was on year 2018 which is 4 years ago. Did Ioka made out some changes? For sure he must but Nietes should really be still careful because he's not young
anymore even though he do give out solid punches but not that powerful. They would be surely fighting in terms of points? I dont see any knockouts on here and would still assume
out that it would be most likely in the same on their first fight.

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Quote from: ultrloa on July 04, 2022, 05:36:35 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on July 03, 2022, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 03:51:56 PM

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

There's no reason to be anxious because Nietes may not knock Ioka out (Nietes also don't have pretty KO ratio) but it's already safe to say that he will give his best when it comes to landing solid punches that will give him pretty scores compared to Ioka. The latter is much younger but their gap is not that far and this is a rematch so Nietes already know Ioka's sleeve and what he could bring this time. Nietes have also prepared well considering his age but his still rip without traces that he's already 40 years old.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 06, 2022, 03:26:31 PM

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Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 05, 2022, 01:06:19 AM

Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 06, 2022, 06:45:15 AM

In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.

I bet Nietes is already confident enough because I know he wanted to win because this rematch may be his last fight before he decides to hang-up his gloves, Nietes can still afford to dance in the ring and with Kazuto Ioka as his foe, and I seriously think that Nietes can still do good as he knows what's the strength and weaknesses of Ioka. Both of them have probably played and watched various types about their old fight.

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In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.

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Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

I still trust him, he might be old but he is very consistent, so there's no reason to fear that we might lose our bet here, besides, if in case he lose, I'm sure it will be a hard fought and Ioka will not easily win.

Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

We don't know his plan, but if he will retire, that's okay because he has already brought honor to our country by winning fights and becoming a world champion. Also, if he wins, he can still think of retirement because at age 40, I think he should start enjoying his life already after boxing.

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Quote from: Reatim on July 05, 2022, 12:46:18 AM

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

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it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

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