Kazuto Ioka vs Donnie Nietes II - page 7.

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I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

It's really rare to see Nietes having a knockout on his opponents but in-terms of solid punches, I have no doubt that Ahas can do that job just like what he did back then on their first fight. I'm still be comfortable that he can still get a win on this rematch because if Ioka has improved then it's also safe to say that Ahas has also improved since their last face-off, and for that, I'd still bet on him to win this time.

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The only advantage of Ioka is the homecourt advantage. Nietes knows how to play with this guy. Age is not a factor.

The factor is that Ioka is active on the ring. That's his advantage over Nietes that even though he won his last year's fight, he still rested for 24 months prior to that. But I hope that Nietes last fight wakes up his usual form and does some regular training since then.

I just don't know why the fight ends up in Japan. It seems biased.

Even if Ioka has the home court advantage, I don't think that will be big factor on this match.
Japanese have good reputation when it comes to honesty, so I don't worry about being cheated here.
What they need to worry about is how they can have good training and be well-prepared for this fight.
Maybe, Japan has better conditions for this fight over the Philippines situation.

Japan's training are more advanced but we should not doubt Pilipino boxers because most of them also trained abroad and that is a big factor for their success. Nietes might not be active for quiet some time but I know he can still be a good fighter and we will see that soon. Home court can still boost your confidence and that is the advantage of Ioka here, hopefully Nietes will not be intimidated and will only focus on his goal which is to get the belt back on his belly.

I don't believe that the Philippines will be left behind when it comes to the right training, we have a lot of boxers and what makes our Filipino boxers great is their motivation to change their lives if they will become a world champions. Also, I think we have enough tools to train our boxers to become a world-class boxer, if Manny has achieve a huge success in boxing, then I think that is not impossible for others to achieve as well.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 03, 2022, 05:42:23 PM

The only advantage of Ioka is the homecourt advantage. Nietes knows how to play with this guy. Age is not a factor.

The factor is that Ioka is active on the ring. That's his advantage over Nietes that even though he won his last year's fight, he still rested for 24 months prior to that. But I hope that Nietes last fight wakes up his usual form and does some regular training since then.

I just don't know why the fight ends up in Japan. It seems biased.

Even if Ioka has the home court advantage, I don't think that will be big factor on this match.
Japanese have good reputation when it comes to honesty, so I don't worry about being cheated here.
What they need to worry about is how they can have good training and be well-prepared for this fight.
Maybe, Japan has better conditions for this fight over the Philippines situation.

Japan's training are more advanced but we should not doubt Pilipino boxers because most of them also trained abroad and that is a big factor for their success. Nietes might not be active for quiet some time but I know he can still be a good fighter and we will see that soon. Home court can still boost your confidence and that is the advantage of Ioka here, hopefully Nietes will not be intimidated and will only focus on his goal which is to get the belt back on his belly.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 03:51:56 PM

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

He needs to fight the same way with a calm and confident strategy. He knows and understands that aggressiveness can bring his opponent down. He will wait for that kind of mistake that Ioka will attempt. I still believe that even in his age, he still has that capability to stand still and make sure that he will have to accomplish and try winning this fight again.

I also think about bias judging if the fight will show close. Nietes needs to consider it and not to allow that to happen.

Ioka though might have improved since they last fought, so a lot of adjustments of Nietes during the fight. The good thing is that he is already a savvy veteran that he knows how and when to adapt. So maybe chess match in the beginning, but if Nietes see some opening, then he will go to the body and face first combo. That's how he has played and stayed in this game, first attack the body to break them down. And see how it will affect his opponents later and make that adjustment.

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Quote from: ultrloa on July 04, 2022, 05:36:35 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on July 03, 2022, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 03:51:56 PM

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

He needs to fight the same way with a calm and confident strategy. He knows and understands that aggressiveness can bring his opponent down. He will wait for that kind of mistake that Ioka will attempt. I still believe that even in his age, he still has that capability to stand still and make sure that he will have to accomplish and try winning this fight again.

I also think about bias judging if the fight will show close. Nietes needs to consider it and not to allow that to happen.

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Quote from: ultrloa on July 04, 2022, 05:36:35 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on July 03, 2022, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 03:51:56 PM

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

Nietes though is not known to be a knockout artist, even at his prime, he will put a clinical display that's why he was able to stay as the champion for a long time. It's his technical skills that will beat the opponent, by just frustrating them and maybe majority quit before the final bell because he is that good. OF course, we wanted to see a highlight knock out agains the champion. But if that is not achieved, perhaps he can win in the judges scorecard with this boxing skills.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 03, 2022, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 03:51:56 PM

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 02, 2022, 06:39:31 PM

I respect your belief but we cannot remove the fact that age greatly affects an athlete's performance. I watch his last fight and his punch recovery after he throws is very slow which leaves him open for possible counters and that is very devastating for a boxer if exploited.
I am rooting for Nietes in this fight because he is one of my favorite until he became inactive.

I didn't say that it was applied to all. I'm specifically just pointing that age factor to Nietes and not to everyone.

As you have mentioned, he seemed slow in his last fight but he still WON right? He was 39 years old at that time. It means even after resting for the ring for years, he still managed to get a win. He can still get to his shape even inactive.

Fighting against Ioka this time, he won't come from inactivity since he has already fought twice. For sure, his training is now regular since he came back in action making his body well-prepared again to fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 03:51:56 PM

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card? I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance. So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 03, 2022, 05:42:23 PM

The only advantage of Ioka is the homecourt advantage. Nietes knows how to play with this guy. Age is not a factor.

The factor is that Ioka is active on the ring. That's his advantage over Nietes that even though he won his last year's fight, he still rested for 24 months prior to that. But I hope that Nietes last fight wakes up his usual form and does some regular training since then.

I just don't know why the fight ends up in Japan. It seems biased.

Even if Ioka has the home court advantage, I don't think that will be big factor on this match.
Japanese have good reputation when it comes to honesty, so I don't worry about being cheated here.
What they need to worry about is how they can have good training and be well-prepared for this fight.
Maybe, Japan has better conditions for this fight over the Philippines situation.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 03, 2022, 05:42:23 PM

The only advantage of Ioka is the homecourt advantage. Nietes knows how to play with this guy. Age is not a factor.

The factor is that Ioka is active on the ring. That's his advantage over Nietes that even though he won his last year's fight, he still rested for 24 months prior to that. But I hope that Nietes last fight wakes up his usual form and does some regular training since then.

I just don't know why the fight ends up in Japan. It seems biased.

Filipino though love to fight in Japan, or at least love to travel and willing to fight Ioka on his home court. If if my memory serves me right, there are Japanese promoters who handles Filipino as well. So there is a connection between the two countries and Japanese are not as hostile as let's say when you fight Mexicans in their home soil or any countries in South or Central America.

Their last fight is in Macau, maybe you can call it a neutral ground.

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The only advantage of Ioka is the homecourt advantage. Nietes knows how to play with this guy. Age is not a factor.

The factor is that Ioka is active on the ring. That's his advantage over Nietes that even though he won his last year's fight, he still rested for 24 months prior to that. But I hope that Nietes last fight wakes up his usual form and does some regular training since then.

I just don't know why the fight ends up in Japan. It seems biased.

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One thing about Nietes is that when no one expected him to win but in the end, he emerged victorious lol.

Although Ioka were defeated last time, Nietes will be the underdog on their rematch because of age? I think there's something wrong with the bookies if that's the factor they are seeing. Everything is now depend on boxer's age rather than overall performance. I'm now more excited to see Nietes winning this fight, maybe much better if via TKO.

I want to see Nietes defeating Ioka infront of his Japanese countrymen. That's a big upset and that will be a great win for our PH representative.

Age in boxing is synonymous with performance, i mean 40 years old in boxing is too old and we expect the performance of that boxer to diminish if he reached that age even the great ones like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

I agree and the speed of Nietes greatly slowed down probably due to the age factor but as I watch Ioka's last fight, he isn't that fast and explosive so probably the punching and movement speed won't be the concern here. I believe this fight will depend on how well the boxers condition themselves. This might end in another unanimous decision in favor who ever lands the most volume of punches.

That is the first sigh though, when fighters lost their speed and then their punch resistance. We have seen this in Manny Pacquiao and now Nonito.

Anyhow, let's see the performance of Donnie here, the thing is this is a rematch, he has the blueprint how to beat the Japanese so he might used that same strategy and then maybe protect his chin better than the first fight.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 03, 2022, 02:56:56 PM

I agree and the speed of Nietes greatly slowed down probably due to the age factor but as I watch Ioka's last fight, he isn't that fast and explosive so probably the punching and movement speed won't be the concern here. I believe this fight will depend on how well the boxers condition themselves. This might end in another unanimous decision in favor who ever lands the most volume of punches.

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 02, 2022, 06:04:34 PM

One thing about Nietes is that when no one expected him to win but in the end, he emerged victorious lol.

Although Ioka were defeated last time, Nietes will be the underdog on their rematch because of age? I think there's something wrong with the bookies if that's the factor they are seeing. Everything is now depend on boxer's age rather than overall performance. I'm now more excited to see Nietes winning this fight, maybe much better if via TKO.

I want to see Nietes defeating Ioka infront of his Japanese countrymen. That's a big upset and that will be a great win for our PH representative.

Age in boxing is synonymous with performance, i mean 40 years old in boxing is too old and we expect the performance of that boxer to diminish if he reached that age even the great ones like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

I agree and the speed of Nietes greatly slowed down probably due to the age factor but as I watch Ioka's last fight, he isn't that fast and explosive so probably the punching and movement speed won't be the concern here. I believe this fight will depend on how well the boxers condition themselves. This might end in another unanimous decision in favor who ever lands the most volume of punches.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 02, 2022, 04:05:45 AM

So the last breed of those Filipino champions that they have right now. Donaire is already out and could retire and Donnie might be the next one. Although he was shadow by his compatriot, but he is one of those solid PH champions. Anyhow, at 40 years old, let's see, Ioka is not younger as well, but obviously less wear and tear and it will be held in his hometown, so it might be very tough for Donnie. So I would say, Ioka by split decision in a very close fight.

Not sure if Donaire or Donnie will be the first one to hang-up his gloves but I'm also thinking that this might be the latter's last fight. Considering his age, we can somehow say that he's already weary enough to have some more future fights but in this fight, I'm going with my compatriot and that's Donnie "Ahas" Nietes. This is a rematch and Donnie managed to won by a UD last 2018 at Macau, so I bet Donnie is already familiar with what could Ioka could bring.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 03, 2022, 06:02:48 AM

So this is already a rematch?

Sorry, but who wins the first fight? Honestly, I don't know that it's already a rematch, but regardless on who wins the first fight, I think I will still bet on Nietes to win. By the way, do we have the betting odds already on this fight?

It's a rematch, you can see the highlight of the first fight in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAQpCGOC0k4

In that fight, Nietes won, so let's see if Kazuto Ioka will be able to bounce back from that loss.

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So this is already a rematch?

Sorry, but who wins the first fight? Honestly, I don't know that it's already a rematch, but regardless on who wins the first fight, I think I will still bet on Nietes to win. By the way, do we have the betting odds already on this fight?

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 02, 2022, 06:51:45 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 02, 2022, 06:04:34 PM

One thing about Nietes is that when no one expected him to win but in the end, he emerged victorious lol.

Although Ioka were defeated last time, Nietes will be the underdog on their rematch because of age? I think there's something wrong with the bookies if that's the factor they are seeing. Everything is now depend on boxer's age rather than overall performance. I'm now more excited to see Nietes winning this fight, maybe much better if via TKO.

I want to see Nietes defeating Ioka infront of his Japanese countrymen. That's a big upset and that will be a great win for our PH representative.

Age in boxing is synonymous with performance, i mean 40 years old in boxing is too old and we expect the performance of that boxer to diminish if he reached that age even the great ones like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

If we see an upset, it might be because Ioka did not perform what is expected of him not because of the brilliance of Donnie Nietes, just my thought.

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Quote from: Johnyz on July 02, 2022, 04:33:59 PM

There’s a home court advantage here and a huge challenge for Nietes to get the title back to him.

Also, a reason to end it in a convincing manner.
The UD won by Nietes in their first fight was filled with doubts and now he will be up against the same opponent on his own stage and he doesn't want this to end in a UD as it may also happen to him. A TKO is a must.
The key to winning will be ending the fight as soon as possible. He is 40 and he might not have the stamina to go for long rounds. Look for a chance to throw a haymaker and finish it early.

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