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Topic: ► ❎ ► LEALANA PHYSICAL LITECOINS FOR SALE - RESUMING SALES!!! - page 9. (Read 133750 times)

legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.

what happened bro ?

Decided to proceed with caution.

I suspect I may continue sales one day but until I can figure out a method that I am comfortable with and does not constitute as "Money Transmitting" I will not.

does this still apply now that they have said Bitcoin is handled more like property?

As far as I am aware my funding customer coins is still "money transmitting" although Bitcoin was declared to be property by the IRS.

Would it still be "money transmitting" if you sold unfunded coins but made the customer send the amount to be funded to a trusted third party in advance who loads the coin after a reasonable period of time.



I am tinkering with the idea of selling the coins I still have with the appropriate and genuine holograms marked with laser etching on the hologram "SELF FUNDED" as well as changing the vanity addresses to normally generated BTC addresses for the window on the hologram. Certificates would not be given here. Although I still have leatherettes and capsules for the coins itself.

Bitcoin sets could likely still be made as I still have the resources and supplies to do so should I go this route.

The idea would be that customers would purchase the coins and would fund them themselves and I would not have taken any part in any "money transmitting". Basically I would be selling the equivalent of metal circle gift "cards" with a hologram covering the password to said funds to be loaded at some later date by the user.

The agreement to this would be that users would understand the risks of allowing myself to have access to the only copy of the private key. This would be the same terms and conditions only that I would not be funding the coins as I have in the past with user funds paid prior to shipment.

I may consider an option (no promises) to sell coins with no holograms at all on them nor private keys.

Of course before I move forward I will seek legal counsel on this matter to make sure I have all bases covered from a risk-standpoint.

There appears to still be quite a lot of demand for these coins and so far I've had to deter all interested parties and ending with the sentence "hopefully I resume sales soon."

 Smiley

I'll update as things progress here and in my other threads as well as the website.

Edit: To be clear the coins I am referring to are all marked "2013" and if things work out I may end up having manufactured "2014" coins and holograms etc. We will see.  Cheesy
sr. member
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BTC --> ??? --> PROFIT
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.

what happened bro ?

Decided to proceed with caution.

I suspect I may continue sales one day but until I can figure out a method that I am comfortable with and does not constitute as "Money Transmitting" I will not.

does this still apply now that they have said Bitcoin is handled more like property?

As far as I am aware my funding customer coins is still "money transmitting" although Bitcoin was declared to be property by the IRS.

Would it still be "money transmitting" if you sold unfunded coins but made the customer send the amount to be funded to a trusted third party in advance who loads the coin after a reasonable period of time.

legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.

what happened bro ?

Decided to proceed with caution.

I suspect I may continue sales one day but until I can figure out a method that I am comfortable with and does not constitute as "Money Transmitting" I will not.

does this still apply now that they have said Bitcoin is handled more like property?

As far as I am aware my funding customer coins is still "money transmitting" although Bitcoin was declared to be property by the IRS.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.

what happened bro ?

Decided to proceed with caution.

I suspect I may continue sales one day but until I can figure out a method that I am comfortable with and does not constitute as "Money Transmitting" I will not.

does this still apply now that they have said Bitcoin is handled more like property?
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.

what happened bro ?

Decided to proceed with caution.

I suspect I may continue sales one day but until I can figure out a method that I am comfortable with and does not constitute as "Money Transmitting" I will not.
hero member
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
How much do the 1st run errors go for now days anyway? Are the prices on ebay right @ $2k per coin?
legendary
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brb keeping up with the Kardashians
Anybody selling the first-run error coins? Either individual or the box set.
hero member
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Crypto Somnium
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.

what happened bro ?
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.

I have halted ALL coin sales as of late February 2014, in case you missed it.
newbie
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Or are you perhaps waiting for the price to stabilise before any kind of price adjustment?

I hope you haven't overlooked my post due to our disagreements in the custom hardware section ages ago.  BFL lost most of their support, and I no longer defend or argue for them.
hero member
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Please check the link in my signature. I have 25LTC 1 oz silver Lealana and 10LTC 1/2oz silver Lealana all series one in leather display cases for sale.
The tens come in a set of two for the display case. If purchasing one they will not come in a display saw.
All coins come with COA (certificate of authenticity)

Let me know of anyone is interested.
newbie
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those coins looks pretty !
 Grin
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Did you get a nastygram from Fincen like Casascius or was this purely cautionary?

I kind of figured it was only a matter of time before they started to come after others like they did Mike. Angry

Fincen is so ass-backwards on their policy for physical cryptos. Someone somewhere at Fincen headquarters needs a crash course on how this stuff works. Smiley

Just cautious.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
Did you get a nastygram from Fincen like Casascius or was this purely cautionary?

I kind of figured it was only a matter of time before they started to come after others like they did Mike. Angry

Fincen is so ass-backwards on their policy for physical cryptos. Someone somewhere at Fincen headquarters needs a crash course on how this stuff works. Smiley
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Just out of curiosity, why have sales been suspended?

Going through the process of registering with FinCEN and determining if it is feasible for me to continue making loaded coins from a risk/regulatory stand-point.

I'll update with more information when I have it.

Out of curiosity, (1) since you deal only in LTC and BTC, (2) there are no US Dollars used to facilitate your trades, and (3) the government does not currently recognize cryptos as "money", why exactly do you have to register as a money transmitter?  I imagine the answer is something like this, "because we're the government, we say so, and if you don't we have all the guns and can put you in a cage."

Pretty much what you quoted (lol). I'm just being cautious and making sure I know how to proceed than assuming.
sr. member
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Just out of curiosity, why have sales been suspended?

Going through the process of registering with FinCEN and determining if it is feasible for me to continue making loaded coins from a risk/regulatory stand-point.

I'll update with more information when I have it.

Out of curiosity, (1) since you deal only in LTC and BTC, (2) there are no US Dollars used to facilitate your trades, and (3) the government does not currently recognize cryptos as "money", why exactly do you have to register as a money transmitter?  I imagine the answer is something like this, "because we're the government, we say so, and if you don't we have all the guns and can put you in a cage."
full member
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Kind of makes the already sold coins more valuable :-)
legendary
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Bitcoin is too valuable to be used as a currency
Just out of curiosity, why have sales been suspended?

Going through the process of registering with FinCEN and determining if it is feasible for me to continue making loaded coins from a risk/regulatory stand-point.

I'll update with more information when I have it.

to da moon! LOL
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Just out of curiosity, why have sales been suspended?

Going through the process of registering with FinCEN and determining if it is feasible for me to continue making loaded coins from a risk/regulatory stand-point.

I'll update with more information when I have it.
legendary
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brb keeping up with the Kardashians
Just out of curiosity, why have sales been suspended?
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