⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ - page 10.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 24, 2024, 03:33:51 PM

Definitely not the table that I expected to see at all, not even remotely. Torino is leading the league right now, which is definitely shocking, and not like they won all their games or something, they won three and had two draws, so it's good results but not like they went five out of five or something. Napoli is second, Conte is showing why he was brought with so much glee from the fans, and he is doing amazing just like expected, even without Osimhen who has been loaned out after being out of the squad.

Inter and Milan are sixth and seventh in the league right now, I have to say I do not expect them to be this bad and I am sure that they will climb up the ranks soon enough and will do better, it doesn't mean that we are going to see them do that well, we are going to see them do not that great, as in not win the title. I think there is a possibility that these two may not win the title.

Juventus seems like the only big team that has that chance, but it's literally just one point difference Right now, the entire league looks like it's all close to each other, first place and eighth place has like just three points difference, so everything could change very quickly with just one game.

It still early, maybe Torino can top the standings but everything is obtained because in 5 matches Torino has not had single defeat, in the future no one knows what it will be like but what is clear is that I very sure Torino will not last long in the top position because when they face strong team that where the nightmare of defeat is sure to be.
But for Napoli I still sure that they can play well under Antonio Conte, they can play well because Conte is an experienced coach and knows how to train team to understand every tactic and game strategy set for Napoli.

What is certain is that every big team here has the opportunity to compete for the title, whether it Napoli, Inter Milan, AC Milan and also Juventus can compete well in the future because they still have many opportunities to get more points and achieve more victories.
I think it is very excessive and too early to judge some of the big teams here not to have the opportunity to win the title because over time there will be an increase or decrease in performance and we haven't really seen who is the most consistent.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 25, 2024, 01:24:27 PM

That win against Udinese can simply be explained as a reaction by the players after a manager replacement. This happens most of time for many teams. The key point is to have a consistent run. Would you be confident about Juric to do so? About a manager who doesn't have had any part of his career with a big team?

Truthfully I don't think so. Tongue

Maybe you will say I'm biased but I won't be surprised if Roma returns where they started.

If I were in Roma's place, I wouldn't sack Mourinho at all. While you can't find a better option with a similar career, why would you feel the need of a replacement? Sad

Coaching experience is one of the considerations for fans to assess whether the coach can make a change. But the problem is not only that. Just look at how Xavi Alonso who was always doubted when coaching a team from the bundesliga actually made new history. Tongue

Well, that could happen to Ivan Juric if he can strengthen the team's consistency.

And I support your opinion that Roma should have chosen Mourinho even though the strategy that is always used is only an old strategy but the team can develop slowly.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 25, 2024, 01:24:27 PM

That win against Udinese can simply be explained as a reaction by the players after a manager replacement. This happens most of time for many teams. The key point is to have a consistent run. Would you be confident about Juric to do so? About a manager who doesn't have had any part of his career with a big team?

Truthfully I don't think so. Tongue

Maybe you will say I'm biased but I won't be surprised if Roma returns where they started.

If I were in Roma's place, I wouldn't sack Mourinho at all. While you can't find a better option with a similar career, why would you feel the need of a replacement? Sad

Maybe it will be very doubtful because he has never had the experience of controlling a big team, but on the other hand it is also good that he comes with a myriad of surprises because his way of thinking in making a strategy is sure to bring new things to Roma and other teams will also have a little difficulty reading it.

Rice has become porridge, that is the right sentence for Maurinho's departure from Roma, regret will only add to the existing wounds, from his mindset he certainly wants to have a renewal for Roma because there is no significant development, they last won the 2000-2001 season and last became runnerup in the 2016-2017 season, AS Roma has been fasting for too long so I think that's what makes management replace the coach, even though Maurinho brought AS Roma to win the conference league in the 2021-2022 season.

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That win against Udinese can simply be explained as a reaction by the players after a manager replacement. This happens most of time for many teams. The key point is to have a consistent run. Would you be confident about Juric to do so? About a manager who doesn't have had any part of his career with a big team?

Truthfully I don't think so. Tongue

Maybe you will say I'm biased but I won't be surprised if Roma returns where they started.

If I were in Roma's place, I wouldn't sack Mourinho at all. While you can't find a better option with a similar career, why would you feel the need of a replacement? Sad

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 24, 2024, 05:35:32 PM

I knew that Udinese would not stay at the top for too long. After a great start, they finally faced a stronger team (well, sort of) and got dismantled 3-0 by Roma.
Udinese looked really pale and didn't show much in that game. Their possession stat was 38% and they only managed to make 2 shots on target.
As I said before, I expect them to finish the season somewhere in the middle of the table.
Strangely enough, it was Roma's first win of the season. Just like Milan, they seem to take their time to pick up speed and perform according to expectations.

Well, this result should make Roma managers understand that they made a mistake by sending De Rossi away.
Could it be that after 1 week without De Rossi the team could totally change its face? This victory still belongs to the old coach, not the new one.
Unfortunately, sometimes owners don't think straight.

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Quote from: tusandii on September 24, 2024, 09:25:23 AM

I'm also not sure Udinese will stay at the top of the standings for long because honestly I still doubt their performance because last season they also struggled hard to get out of the relegation zone, but at least I'm happy that Udinese's performance this season is much better than last season at the beginning of the season they performed very badly with many defeats and this season they have corrected last season's mistakes.

It is indeed quite difficult to compete in Serie A for promoted clubs but they still have time to fight for it because this season is still long and it is too early to guess which promoted clubs will return to Serie B because non-promoted clubs such as Monza and Cagliari have also performed badly this season and they are in the relegation zone.

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yes very true, what you say makes sense, the season is still very long. But if you have already collected a few points in some games it becomes really difficult to change the trend
unfortunately the psychological part of the players and the team has a huge impact

Unfortunately someone has to go to Serie B, it's inevitable

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I knew that Udinese would not stay at the top for too long. After a great start, they finally faced a stronger team (well, sort of) and got dismantled 3-0 by Roma.
Udinese looked really pale and didn't show much in that game. Their possession stat was 38% and they only managed to make 2 shots on target.
As I said before, I expect them to finish the season somewhere in the middle of the table.
Strangely enough, it was Roma's first win of the season. Just like Milan, they seem to take their time to pick up speed and perform according to expectations.

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Definitely not the table that I expected to see at all, not even remotely. Torino is leading the league right now, which is definitely shocking, and not like they won all their games or something, they won three and had two draws, so it's good results but not like they went five out of five or something. Napoli is second, Conte is showing why he was brought with so much glee from the fans, and he is doing amazing just like expected, even without Osimhen who has been loaned out after being out of the squad.

Inter and Milan are sixth and seventh in the league right now, I have to say I do not expect them to be this bad and I am sure that they will climb up the ranks soon enough and will do better, it doesn't mean that we are going to see them do that well, we are going to see them do not that great, as in not win the title. I think there is a possibility that these two may not win the title.

Juventus seems like the only big team that has that chance, but it's literally just one point difference Right now, the entire league looks like it's all close to each other, first place and eighth place has like just three points difference, so everything could change very quickly with just one game.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 24, 2024, 07:16:26 AM

that's right, Udinese lost the lead in the end, it was obvious if you want
the ranking is still in the process of being adjusted

one thing that is very obvious are the newly promoted teams that are at the end, Como and Venice
I honestly don't see a bright future for them if we want to be good

i think they return in serie b

I'm also not sure Udinese will stay at the top of the standings for long because honestly I still doubt their performance because last season they also struggled hard to get out of the relegation zone, but at least I'm happy that Udinese's performance this season is much better than last season at the beginning of the season they performed very badly with many defeats and this season they have corrected last season's mistakes.

It is indeed quite difficult to compete in Serie A for promoted clubs but they still have time to fight for it because this season is still long and it is too early to guess which promoted clubs will return to Serie B because non-promoted clubs such as Monza and Cagliari have also performed badly this season and they are in the relegation zone.

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that's right, Udinese lost the lead in the end, it was obvious if you want
the ranking is still in the process of being adjusted

one thing that is very obvious are the newly promoted teams that are at the end, Como and Venice
I honestly don't see a bright future for them if we want to be good

i think they return in serie b

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Team	Point
Torino	11
Napoli	10
Udinese	10
Juve	9
Empoli	9
Inter	8
Milan	8
Lazio	7
Atalanta	6
Roma	6
Verona	6
Fiorentina	6
Bologna	6
Parma	5
Genoa	5
Lecce	5
Venezia	4
Monza	3
Como	2
Cagliari	2

In the end Udinese failed in the match against Roma and the primacy matters. Juve above Inter!

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Quote from: hahay on September 20, 2024, 01:46:22 PM

There seems to be no plan to sack De Rossi in such a short time because after all, when De Rossi was appointed to replace Mourinho also the fact that De Rossi was only intended until the end of the 23/24 season. But, because De Rossi managed to improve AS Roma's performance until the end of last season, so AS Roma has also in fact extended De Rossi's contract. So, I'm sure there are no plans for AS Roma to fire De Rossi because in fact, to start this season De Rossi has also signed his new contract at AS Roma.

It seems like you forgot the latest news from Roma that De Rossi has been fired from the coaching seat. And maybe there is something important that you forgot that the perfect results last season that Roma got were not purely from De Rossi contribution but all because of the perfect line up of players that Mourinho had previously formed and De Rossi only continued the strategy. Currently Ivan Juric is De Rossi replacement although I am not sure but from the beginning this was Roma mistake of trusting De Rossi too much without delving into his actual achievements and now they have to change coaches at the beginning of the season.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

I think exactly the same with your opinion on this. Roma doesn't know what they are doing. They are really like destined to be a loser because of that. Whereas I would love to see them successful. They have a good squad.

Mourinho should have never left. I mean he was really enjoying his time there. He stated his big goals for this club clearly also. Who knows maybe in a couple of seasons they were going to get better. At least the board must have believed in that just because they had one of the best coaches, Mourinho.

Now he has downgraded to manage a Turkish club. I think he still deserves to be a coach at a top team.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

It's too early to fire De Rossi, however De Rossi has not known the full potential that he can increase in the Roma squad, I admit that Roma was bad at the beginning of the season but changing the coach seems unprofessional in my opinion, I see it like there are anomalies that occur in this decision made by Roma management, could there be other problems besides the problem of the team experiencing poor performance in De Rossi's dismissal?

Of course I also hope Maurinho stays at Roma from his track record is not to be underestimated, but the management is not satisfied with the results and now if they call back Maurinho it will be more laughed at by the public, so they choose an unknown coach, they just want to take a gamble on a new and unknown coach.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

There seems to be no plan to sack De Rossi in such a short time because after all, when De Rossi was appointed to replace Mourinho also the fact that De Rossi was only intended until the end of the 23/24 season. But, because De Rossi managed to improve AS Roma's performance until the end of last season, so AS Roma has also in fact extended De Rossi's contract. So, I'm sure there are no plans for AS Roma to fire De Rossi because in fact, to start this season De Rossi has also signed his new contract at AS Roma.

But unfortunately, bad things can happen at any time and when the team has been disappointed, then it doesn't care anymore about the contract because they also chose to sack De Rossi because of AS Roma's poor results at the start of this season. I think, such a case also happened to Xavi at Barcelona, because after Xavi signed his new contract at that time, but in fact Xavi was also fired. So yes, cases like that are very possible, and no longer surprising at all.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

Players and supporters are disappointed with the decision made by Roma management to fire De Rossi. The decision was met with much resistance because De Rossi actually managed to stabilize Roma's performance from before he was given the trust to coach Roma. That's also what made him get a contract that is still quite long. But the decision was taken with unsatisfactory results in Roma's first 4 matches.

The decision has been taken, let's see how Ivan Juric brings Roma into the competition. Substitutions when the competition is running like this will not be good enough for the team. Some adjustments must be made between the coach and the players.

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It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 20, 2024, 05:45:02 AM

Quote from: bastisisca on September 19, 2024, 09:19:06 AM

But it all went to cheerful women, Roma just fired her long-term vision and sacked De Rossi.
Now we need to quickly look for a new coach, if they hadn't already contacted him before
Obviously this is a very bad blow for Roma, I think things will get worse in the league.

I was truly shocked to hear this news. I was practically speechless, still 4 miserable games, you can't establish a 4 game season.
I don't see Rome well, if they have this wrong mentality they won't go far.
You can't change coaches every two seconds.

Roma are making the mistake that Inter made years ago, always changing coaches. The thing that Napoli did, and as we have seen this way leads to nothing.
I hope they change their minds about it and understand that stability is needed if they want to win something.
Changing coaches every month accomplishes nothing.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 18, 2024, 12:14:10 PM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2024, 02:31:07 AM

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

I think Rossi was just a diversion to sack Mourinho in first place because no real project have been announced after Mourinho left and I doubt As.Roma wants to make any great performances in football in the next coming years.
Like you said above , As Roma needs a coach asap and I doubt they will bring a big name and most likely they will get a medium coach that will make a medium job in a medium club because since AS.Roma won Conference League , nothing great came for them.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 19, 2024, 09:19:06 AM

But it all went to cheerful women, Roma just fired her long-term vision and sacked De Rossi.
Now we need to quickly look for a new coach, if they hadn't already contacted him before
Obviously this is a very bad blow for Roma, I think things will get worse in the league.

I was truly shocked to hear this news. I was practically speechless, still 4 miserable games, you can't establish a 4 game season.
I don't see Rome well, if they have this wrong mentality they won't go far.
You can't change coaches every two seconds.

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