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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

I think exactly the same with your opinion on this. Roma doesn't know what they are doing. They are really like destined to be a loser because of that. Whereas I would love to see them successful. They have a good squad.

Mourinho should have never left. I mean he was really enjoying his time there. He stated his big goals for this club clearly also. Who knows maybe in a couple of seasons they were going to get better. At least the board must have believed in that just because they had one of the best coaches, Mourinho.

Now he has downgraded to manage a Turkish club. I think he still deserves to be a coach at a top team.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

It's too early to fire De Rossi, however De Rossi has not known the full potential that he can increase in the Roma squad, I admit that Roma was bad at the beginning of the season but changing the coach seems unprofessional in my opinion, I see it like there are anomalies that occur in this decision made by Roma management, could there be other problems besides the problem of the team experiencing poor performance in De Rossi's dismissal?

Of course I also hope Maurinho stays at Roma from his track record is not to be underestimated, but the management is not satisfied with the results and now if they call back Maurinho it will be more laughed at by the public, so they choose an unknown coach, they just want to take a gamble on a new and unknown coach.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

There seems to be no plan to sack De Rossi in such a short time because after all, when De Rossi was appointed to replace Mourinho also the fact that De Rossi was only intended until the end of the 23/24 season. But, because De Rossi managed to improve AS Roma's performance until the end of last season, so AS Roma has also in fact extended De Rossi's contract. So, I'm sure there are no plans for AS Roma to fire De Rossi because in fact, to start this season De Rossi has also signed his new contract at AS Roma.

But unfortunately, bad things can happen at any time and when the team has been disappointed, then it doesn't care anymore about the contract because they also chose to sack De Rossi because of AS Roma's poor results at the start of this season. I think, such a case also happened to Xavi at Barcelona, because after Xavi signed his new contract at that time, but in fact Xavi was also fired. So yes, cases like that are very possible, and no longer surprising at all.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 20, 2024, 11:05:56 AM

It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

Players and supporters are disappointed with the decision made by Roma management to fire De Rossi. The decision was met with much resistance because De Rossi actually managed to stabilize Roma's performance from before he was given the trust to coach Roma. That's also what made him get a contract that is still quite long. But the decision was taken with unsatisfactory results in Roma's first 4 matches.

The decision has been taken, let's see how Ivan Juric brings Roma into the competition. Substitutions when the competition is running like this will not be good enough for the team. Some adjustments must be made between the coach and the players.

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It is very difficult to understand Roma chairman. If you were going to sack De Rossi in such a short time then why did you sack Mourinho in the first place? To end up with a manager named Juric about whom nobody knows? It is like a joke. Tongue

Then you should have continued with Mourinho. Maybe you didn't get big achievements in the Serie A with him but he was doing good in European competitions.

Before anything else, you had a manager like Mourinho who had a wonderful career with top teams. I'm sorry but this is a very bad management of the team. Roma doesn't deserve that truthfully. :/

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 20, 2024, 05:45:02 AM

Quote from: bastisisca on September 19, 2024, 09:19:06 AM

But it all went to cheerful women, Roma just fired her long-term vision and sacked De Rossi.
Now we need to quickly look for a new coach, if they hadn't already contacted him before
Obviously this is a very bad blow for Roma, I think things will get worse in the league.

I was truly shocked to hear this news. I was practically speechless, still 4 miserable games, you can't establish a 4 game season.
I don't see Rome well, if they have this wrong mentality they won't go far.
You can't change coaches every two seconds.

Roma are making the mistake that Inter made years ago, always changing coaches. The thing that Napoli did, and as we have seen this way leads to nothing.
I hope they change their minds about it and understand that stability is needed if they want to win something.
Changing coaches every month accomplishes nothing.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 18, 2024, 12:14:10 PM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2024, 02:31:07 AM

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

I think Rossi was just a diversion to sack Mourinho in first place because no real project have been announced after Mourinho left and I doubt As.Roma wants to make any great performances in football in the next coming years.
Like you said above , As Roma needs a coach asap and I doubt they will bring a big name and most likely they will get a medium coach that will make a medium job in a medium club because since AS.Roma won Conference League , nothing great came for them.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 19, 2024, 09:19:06 AM

But it all went to cheerful women, Roma just fired her long-term vision and sacked De Rossi.
Now we need to quickly look for a new coach, if they hadn't already contacted him before
Obviously this is a very bad blow for Roma, I think things will get worse in the league.

I was truly shocked to hear this news. I was practically speechless, still 4 miserable games, you can't establish a 4 game season.
I don't see Rome well, if they have this wrong mentality they won't go far.
You can't change coaches every two seconds.

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Quote from: beerlover on September 18, 2024, 01:44:34 PM

The problem with long term projects on a football club is that we could end up with some mistakes and when you are dealing with a long term project, making a few mistakes could cause you to lose a few years and that's not really acceptable at all, it doesn't end up very well. We should be looking at this as something that is getting worse and we need to look at short term results sometimes as well. Of course the bad part about short term is that you spend a lot quickly and you go all out and if you get a success then you will be fine but if you lose and fail to get any cups then you are going to end up with a lot of debt and not a good result.

This is why I think it should be important to do whatever you can within what you can afford to do without much trouble. Long term is definitely better option but that doesn't mean that we are going to see this result change all that much, so that is why I think we need to see Roma do a lot better and not make any mistakes.

But it all went to cheerful women, Roma just fired her long-term vision and sacked De Rossi.
Now we need to quickly look for a new coach, if they hadn't already contacted him before
Obviously this is a very bad blow for Roma, I think things will get worse in the league.

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 19, 2024, 08:21:08 AM

Quote from: bastisisca on September 18, 2024, 12:14:10 PM

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

I feel very sorry for De Rossi, a good boy, a good player and also a good coach close to the players and fans.
In my opinion it wasn't an intelligent choice, they are still paying for having sent Mourinho away on the spot, so they will continue to pay De Rossi and will be without a coach.
Choice truly made with the gut and not with the head.

And Roma is choosing Ivan Juric as their new coach. he's not good enough to handle club's ambition to secure UCL spot for upcoming season.

I feel so sorry for all of roma fans, but their management was total crap in choosing a new coach. It feels they are gonna be a mid-table club very soon.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 18, 2024, 12:14:10 PM

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

I feel very sorry for De Rossi, a good boy, a good player and also a good coach close to the players and fans.
In my opinion it wasn't an intelligent choice, they are still paying for having sent Mourinho away on the spot, so they will continue to pay De Rossi and will be without a coach.
Choice truly made with the gut and not with the head.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2024, 02:31:07 AM

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

The problem with long term projects on a football club is that we could end up with some mistakes and when you are dealing with a long term project, making a few mistakes could cause you to lose a few years and that's not really acceptable at all, it doesn't end up very well. We should be looking at this as something that is getting worse and we need to look at short term results sometimes as well. Of course the bad part about short term is that you spend a lot quickly and you go all out and if you get a success then you will be fine but if you lose and fail to get any cups then you are going to end up with a lot of debt and not a good result.

This is why I think it should be important to do whatever you can within what you can afford to do without much trouble. Long term is definitely better option but that doesn't mean that we are going to see this result change all that much, so that is why I think we need to see Roma do a lot better and not make any mistakes.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2024, 02:31:07 AM

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

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Player	Goal
Mateo Retegui	4
Marcus Thuram	4
Valentin Castellanos	3
Florian Thauvin	3
Ange-Yoan Bonny	2
Marco Brescianini	2
Patrick Cutrone	2
Giovanni Di Lorenzo	2
Boulaye Dia	2
Emmanuel Gyasi	2
Moise Kean	2
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	2
Lorenzo Lucca	2
Romelu Lukaku	2
Dennis Man	2
Daniel Mosquera	2
Christian Pulisic	2
Casper Tengstedt	2
Dusan Vlahovic	2

Not exciting.. Lukaku enter with 2 goals also Vlahovic, nothing Sad

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 17, 2024, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 15, 2024, 09:49:16 PM

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

Yes, you're right, also as I was saying that these are hypotheses that I'm putting forward, no one really knows what the plan is. However, in my opinion, planning for the long term is better than planning for the short term, for a season.
You need to have a long vision that allows you to plan and take steps at the right times in order to optimize for the future

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 13, 2024, 11:53:42 AM

Maybe we are faced with a long-term project, these reinforcements may not be needed for this season but for next and Roma and De Rossi are trying to buy excellent players for free in order to build in the long term.
I hope that's the plan, as it would be a great plan in this case!

I hope it is like that, I don't know if you remember when Roma was managed by Mourinho , for me he was very good, but I think Mourinho was disappointed since the moment he felt like he was robbed when it was the Europa League final, for me he is a coach who is very difficult to lose his temper with and that day he fought a lot , he got on the field and everything, I think at that moment I realized that he was announcing the clear corruption that is sometimes done to some teams, thinking about it well the reinforcements that Roma have right now are not bad, it is a good Indication for when Serie A also gets tough , tense and the players no longer have legs.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 17, 2024, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 15, 2024, 09:49:16 PM

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

Yes, you're right, also as I was saying that these are hypotheses that I'm putting forward, no one really knows what the plan is. However, in my opinion, planning for the long term is better than planning for the short term, for a season.
You need to have a long vision that allows you to plan and take steps at the right times in order to optimize for the future

It doesn't seem right to say long-term for a manager, unless it's for young players then it would be right to say long-term plan. But when it comes to a head coach or a manager, the hope is for a quick success because so far the head coaches who have managed to stay with a team for a long time have done well.

There are many examples, for example like Diego Simeone at Atletico who managed to make Atletico always in the top four of La Liga and always enter the Champion League, Diego Simeone managed to make good results for the team from season to season so Atletico kept Diego Simeone. There are also other examples such as Pep Guardiola also at Manchester City who managed to make Manchester City dominate the Premier League. In essence,they really managed to make the team improve every season so it was worth it for them to be retained.

But about De Rossi? I think AS Roma should already be looking for a new manager, at least make preparations faster it will be better if later AS Roma continues to get bad results then AS Roma already has the right manager to replace De Rossi.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 15, 2024, 09:49:16 PM

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

Yes, you're right, also as I was saying that these are hypotheses that I'm putting forward, no one really knows what the plan is. However, in my opinion, planning for the long term is better than planning for the short term, for a season.
You need to have a long vision that allows you to plan and take steps at the right times in order to optimize for the future

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Team	Point
Udinese	10
Napoli	9
Inter	8
Juve	8
Torino	8
Lazio	7
Verona	6
Empoli	6
Atalanta	6
Milan	5
Genoa	5
Parma	4
Lecce	4
Fiorentina	3
Monza	3
Roma	3
Bologna	3
Como	2
Cagliari	2
Venezia	1

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Quote from: swogerino on September 16, 2024, 01:16:45 AM

I also had so high expectations for Inter Milan that I did bet on them to score over 2.5 goals only them and surely this is not the way to win a Serie A title although we are very early into the season. I think that there is enough time and surely Inter has the capability and players above all to change things around until the end of the season. In fact I would now bet on them to win the title if the odd is good enough and we are very unclear who the most favorite team to win the title is.

Something is really wrong with Lautaro Martinez these days also. Sad

He is still not able to make any score contribution. He isn't even trying his best to contribute in other ways. I wonder if his mind is busy with something else lately.

When Thuram and Martinez both play poorly, this happens. But Thuram is of course much better as for scoring until now. I hope Martinez also pulls himself together soon. Juventus also lost points against Empoli. It looks like Napoli are benefiting from this situation really nicely with Conte. Grin

I know yeah, Udinese are the leader now but I don't think they can keep that up for a long time. Sometimes we see underdogs making impressive starts. It's just one of them.

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