Topic: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) - page 8. (Read 18320 times)

, you have brilliantly displayed that you completely can't grasp this for the past few days. lol

I've understood from the beginning. You have to understand something before you can properly agree or disagree with it.

I disagree.

You FINALLY understand

The machines, of course.

So who would be our slaves?

Like a modern Athens.

I didn't "forget creative people", the whole point is to open the world up FOR creative people.

With the jobs done, we are all inventors, artists, actors, mechanics and engineers.

Too much like slavery. Pass.

Edit:....and we've come full circle.

Another interesting aspect of art creation (and I'm going to be making assumptions based on my own talents in artistry,) is that art can be highly logical and very literal.  For example, realism: to accomplish realism, you must draw/paint in a very specific way which lines up with how we view objects in the world.  It requires a lot of technical ability, and you can get away with it without any creativity whatsoever (otherwise, we could make the assumption that every photograph is a piece of art, including the photographs of me speeding past a red light once being used against me in court.)  To create a perfect reproduction of life through a pencil requires only technical ability; computers do this already, and much more efficiently.

Taking into consideration the idea of monkeys and Shakespeare, can we then define art with the requirement of creative input?  Though a set of monkeys could eventually pound out Shakespeare, because they do not understand what they're doing, we cannot assume they understand a thing they're writing about, outside of being a random assortment of key presses.  Thus, although the two copies of Shakespeare, one written by the man, and the other written by monkeys, are identical copies, we can assume one is art and the other isn't.

At what point in time would a computer be able to create art, then?  When it has motivation?  At which point, it would need to have a reason to create, not because it is programmed to, but because it wanted to.  It would have to first experience pain.  We would have to reverse-engineer the human being.  Considering that our entire lives are interpreted through a series of electrical impulses in our minds, it could be possible, if we recreate the human mind with resources outside the normal flesh and blood, to invent an artist.  I imagine it would be incredibly difficult, but I tend to believe nothing's impossible.


Imagine if you could purchase an artificial family member and never tell the difference.  Anyway, in relation to the thread, I believe there's an odd connection between an artificial person and a real one; in one aspect, you know they're machine, but in another, you know they feel.

You could argue that art is the interpretation not the media, all paintings are essential just paints applied to a canvas. I think the computer mind is to logical to contemplate an illogical idea and rationalize it. I also think that computers would require emotion, maybe even soul before true creativity is accomplished. Any animal can move around paint on a canvas, not sure about a GOD but certainly nature has a huge effect, geometry is perhaps a possibility for computers to make a transition into art.

Another interesting thought is that idea that monkeys would eventually write a Shakespeare play given enough time pressing buttons at random, the same applies for pixels, inks and so on. I guess this is a little to off-topic lol.

If you ask me, that will be the final Turing test. When an A.I. creates an original composition that I recognize as "art," I'll call it a person.

Yes; a computer can be programmed to display a random array of colored pixels and a person can interpret it as art.  However, if you ask the machine to reproduce the Mona Lisa in a John Kricfalusi style, you're SoL; only a person (presumably John Kricfalusi) can do that.

By extension, however, since the computer had to be programmed by a human being (or by a computer programmed by a computer programmed by a human being), a computer can never create its own art, only the art a person has programmed it to create.  Therefor, we can determine that all art is created only by human beings; even if a computer could take requests and spit out something like this, it would be because a human being programmed it to do so.

So can A.I. create art?  Or do people owe their talents to a higher being, if not God, but nature itself?

How can you forget artists, creative people!? No computer will ever match the capacity of ones imagination. Maybe I am just biased but can a computer algo produce art? Interesting philosophical proposition to think about.

I'm not stopping you. Feel free to start some real talk any time you like. 13 pages is a long time to wait, though, I don't think anyone's going to be willing to wade through all your crazy talk to get to it.

Might want to start a new thread.

You mean troll someone else?

I can smoke a joint and talk about the future at the SAME time, but yes, please do leave so this can end and we can get back to some real talk.

I got a better idea. You go smoke another joint, and I'll go back to doing something productive with my life. Deal?

I think YOU need to learn that, I keep pointing things out, while you make a statement and act like I'm just 'wrong'. Your statement above proves nothing, except that you are not only a troll, but you are a troll that has nothing left to do but troll... Nothing of value to offer, nothing you think you know that I don't, that I actually end up knowing... You're done. You don't have to leave, but just know from here on out that I know what's going on. So if you're going to troll me, you're going to have to try a little harder, or wait until you're not so drunk, or whatever your problem is right now.

Damn, and here I thought you had learned that claiming something doesn't make it true. Backsliding already.

You just said "Backing away slowly" a minute ago. Are you REALLY sure you're not high? And you have completely gone off topic, you lost at trolling the facts, then lost at trolling randomly and I just don't know what you are even doing anymore, simply derailing?

And now we learn that claiming something doesn't make it true! My, but today is educational for you, isn't it?