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legendary
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July 21, 2023, 02:02:36 AM
funny part is that more people use CEX internal reserve swaps between services and stable coin by a magnitude of 1,000,000x compared to LN
the reason people avoid the bitcoin network first and then use CEX second and then use ln 7th (other bridge subnetworks exist with more liquidity 3-6) is due primarily due to high onchain fees.

yep people avoid the bitcoin network due to fee's not due to (lack of)successes of other flawed systems

funny part is instead of fixing flaws to make it better they just want to promote any hype they can find
especially when if you really observe you will find the initiation of LN was inspired by the hyperledger project(institutions gathering to prototype CBDC, asking bitcoin devs to develop and sandbox test CDBC methodology on subnetworks)

so ofcourse a FED is going to suck eggs about something they pushed for years prior. as its the basis of their own project


Yes yes, and the way to fix those flaws to make onchain fees lower is simply to hard fork to bigger blocks like BCash, right, right? Noted.

Here's a write up for everyone, especially newbies, to read, https://medium.com/hackernoon/thats-not-bitcoin-that-s-bcash-f730f0d0a837

OK, let's move on.

SBW Wond be supporting LN anymore.
Motivations are interesting.




It has been debated here in the forum before. It will be challenging for users to run Lightning nodes altruistically forever. There will be opportunity costs because Bitcoin = a form of capital. There must be enough incentives for all that capital to be locked in those channels. If not, then the result is simple. They leave.
legendary
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July 20, 2023, 01:31:49 AM
SBW Wond be supporting LN anymore.
Motivations are interesting.




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legendary
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July 19, 2023, 06:09:15 PM
funny part is that more people use CEX internal reserve swaps between services and stable coin by a magnitude of 1,000,000x compared to LN
the reason people avoid the bitcoin network first and then use CEX second and then use ln 7th (other bridge subnetworks exist with more liquidity 3-6) is due primarily due to high onchain fees.

yep people avoid the bitcoin network due to fee's not due to (lack of)successes of other flawed systems

funny part is instead of fixing flaws to make it better they just want to promote any hype they can find
especially when if you really observe you will find the initiation of LN was inspired by the hyperledger project(institutions gathering to prototype CBDC, asking bitcoin devs to develop and sandbox test CDBC methodology on subnetworks)

so ofcourse a FED is going to suck eggs about something they pushed for years prior. as its the basis of their own project
legendary
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July 19, 2023, 05:57:37 PM
You know you are on something when the Cleveland FED publishes a paper about Lightning Network:




The Lightning Network: Turning Bitcoin into Money

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The Lightning Network (LN) is a means of netting Bitcoin payments outside the blockchain. We find a significant association between LN adoption and reduced blockchain congestion, suggesting that the LN has helped improve the efficiency of Bitcoin as a means of payment. This improvement cannot be explained by other factors, such as changes in demand or the adoption of SegWit. We find mixed evidence on whether increased centralization in the Lightning Network has improved its efficiency. Our findings have implications for the future of cryptocurrencies as a means of payment and their environmental footprint.
sr. member
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July 19, 2023, 06:32:43 AM
I said "has the potential" to gather the largest anonymity set, which I believe it could.
Possibly:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/150zzcr/we_can_potentially_use_splicing_to_bootstrap_the/
legendary
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July 19, 2023, 02:25:56 AM
It's still very early days for Lightning.


It's not that early. I mean, lightning began in 2017. Six years and two bull markets have passed since then.


I'm sorry, but from a very long term perspective, it's very VERY early days. We haven't truly reached mass adoption yet.

Is it merely for fast, cheap, peer to peer transactions? Or could it be a privacy layer for Bitcoiners?
 

It's both already.


Has Channel CoinJoins already been added and implemented in Lightning? I read about it two years ago, but had since heard nothing about it.

If it's added, then Lightning is still not the first choice protocol for regular Bitcoin users to "mix" their coins. Many users choose to convert to Monero or use CoinJoin and mixers. Plus it's marketed that "fast, cheap transactions" is still the main value proposition for Lightning, not privacy.


Because LN has the potential to gather the largest anonymity set, it could be more private than any "privacy-only cryptocurrency network".


That's very debatable. In terms of BTC, lightning has ~5,000 BTC, which is ~$150M. Monero, with a circulating supply of 18M XMR, has an equivalent of ~99,447 BTC. It's much better in terms of anonymity set.


I said "has the potential" to gather the largest anonymity set, which I believe it could.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
July 18, 2023, 10:53:36 AM
It's still very early days for Lightning.
It's not that early. I mean, lightning began in 2017. Six years and two bull markets have passed since then.

Is it merely for fast, cheap, peer to peer transactions? Or could it be a privacy layer for Bitcoiners?
It's both already.

Because LN has the potential to gather the largest anonymity set, it could be more private than any "privacy-only cryptocurrency network".
That's very debatable. In terms of BTC, lightning has ~5,000 BTC, which is ~$150M. Monero, with a circulating supply of 18M XMR, has an equivalent of ~99,447 BTC. It's much better in terms of anonymity set.
legendary
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July 18, 2023, 10:23:56 AM

They're a little bit late, but it's better late than never. I'm surprised it took them so long to integrate it since Binance is the biggest exchange.


Late? I believe not, ser. It's still very early days for Lightning. We don't know what LN can really be for the users yet, in my opinion. Is it merely for fast, cheap, peer to peer transactions? Or could it be a privacy layer for Bitcoiners? I read a write up saying that Splicing was the answer to make Lightning more private.

I also believe that there will be larger demand for more channels and liquidity in Lightning - IF it were to become Bitcoin's own privacy layer. Because LN has the potential to gather the largest anonymity set, it could be more private than any "privacy-only cryptocurrency network".

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July 17, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
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sr. member
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July 17, 2023, 07:47:45 AM
How much is the fee to withdraw BTC-LN from Binance? 0 sats?
According to this, between 200 and 13,000 sats, which for lightning standards is pricey, but hey. It's Binance. 
Yeah, that's a lot. I wonder if Kraken LN fees are lower.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
July 17, 2023, 06:59:23 AM
How much is the fee to withdraw BTC-LN from Binance? 0 sats?
According to this, between 200 and 13,000 sats, which for lightning standards is pricey, but hey. It's Binance. 
sr. member
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July 17, 2023, 05:31:30 AM
How much is the fee to withdraw BTC-LN from Binance? 0 sats?
jr. member
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July 17, 2023, 01:40:13 AM

They're a little bit late, but it's better late than never. I'm surprised it took them so long to integrate it since Binance is the biggest exchange.
legendary
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July 17, 2023, 01:30:41 AM
legendary
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July 13, 2023, 06:12:35 PM
saw no decrease in success rates becasue they closed 2 channels that were being unused and just locking up value thats done nothing.. so ofcourse it wont affect success rates if the channels they closed were never used in first place

but atleast its now showing a better more honest display of liquidity. rather than shill capacity that was never used
legendary
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July 13, 2023, 11:57:12 AM


the reason for the biggest drop in capacity to date (in this case around 590 BTC) is the closure of 2 major ln channels by River


https://twitter.com/Leishman/status/1678778742511136770

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July 11, 2023, 11:39:30 PM
Coinfinity, an Austrian bitcoin broker, has recently integrated the Lightning Network into its services, allowing customers to make bitcoin purchases with reduced transaction fees and quicker processing times.

Thomas Burgstaller, Chief Growth Officer at Coinfinity, highlighted the significance of this integration, stating, "Being this early to market is an important innovation step for us at Coinfinity, and Lightning itself is an essential foundation for the global adoption of Bitcoin as a usable monetary system."

The Lightning network, a Layer 2 scaling solution, addresses the limitations of the Bitcoin blockchain by facilitating faster and more cost-effective transactions for smaller bitcoin amounts. By leveraging the Lightning network, Coinfinity aims to enhance Bitcoin's usability as a competitive payment system, surpassing the transaction volumes of major card networks such as VISA or Mastercard.

Customers of Coinfinity can gradually access Lightning features through the company's web portal and mobile app for iOS and Android — currently, users can utilize Lightning to buy bitcoin, after which it will be integrated into the savings plan feature and then the selling function.

This integration not only offers convenience to users but also contributes to the wider adoption of Bitcoin as a viable means of payment. The move comes as Coinfinity seeks to optimize transaction efficiency and reduce costs associated with traditional bitcoin transactions.

Source:
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/austrian-bitcoin-broker-coinfinity-integrates-lightning-network
hero member
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July 11, 2023, 03:51:22 PM
I have recently stumbled in a few tweets regarding the Lightning Network.

I am always been a LN fan, and I have a long history of reporting on various metrics, and I would like to start again.

First, an overview of the network so far:



The brown has been exponential, considering also that BTC has increased in value.

Looking at the LN capacity we see that much of the grow has been registered on the last few weeks. Growth has gone parabolic:



If we look at the following graph we have a detail on the balances added during the last months:



Of course, adding 250 BTC of capacity when BTC is at 30k is totally a different story than adding 300 BTC capacity when BTCUSD trades at 8,000 as in March 2019.

So, pretty a neat increase in capacity. Just wondering if the real usage of such capacity is gaining traction. I guess the “low” fees in the main chain are not pushing adoption, but it’s important to invest in this invisible assets.

I will try do add news, reports and commentaries about LN to this thread as soon as they are available or worth mentioning.
Glad if you help!




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Is actually a nice one specially there technological solution which is designed to solve glitches associated with Bitcoin by introducing off-chain transactions without the need for block confirmation on the blockchain. And they also make transactions faster. Lower transaction fees. Increased scalability. Greater flexibility.
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July 11, 2023, 03:18:17 PM
the non-custodial service Pocket Bitcoin integrates the lightning network in your pay system.
Pocket allows you to buy Bitcoin once or recurringly from your bank account and receive your coins directly into any self-custody existing Bitcoin wallet of your choice.


https://pocketbitcoin.com/

This is finally good news, I always use Pocket to make a small accumulation plan but honestly onchain it takes a long time, often 1 or 2 days pass from when you made the transfer and if you need bitcoin immediately it is not the ideal service, but now with LN the waiting time should be drastically reduced and the fees will certainly be lower too.  Always at the top Pocket.
legendary
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July 11, 2023, 01:14:30 PM
the PhoenixWallet which allows you to store your Bitcoin on the lightning network itself, has implemented "splicing" in beta and other great features!


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Splicing changes the game. Phoenix now manages a single dynamic channel, no more 1% fee on inbound liquidity, better predictability and control, trustless swaps.
https://acinq.co/blog/phoenix-splicing-update
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